bubbadirect said:
Hey Keith, was it you or someone else that said in 2 tone, if it BEEPS and does not a visual TID, then it is trash?
I am not positive who said the specific one you mention, but I have read on forums or PM's or e-mails, or heard in phone conversations, the following:
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If you get an audio response [size=small](aka 'beep')[/size] and there's no visual TID, then the target is trash."
I have also heard"
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If you get a one-direction signal and not a two-way signal, the target is trash"
Using the FORS Coin & Relic and Racer, with all search coils they have, I've encountered good targets that gave two-way and one-way signals. The causes for one-way signals is often due to a target's shape, position, sometimes its depth, but perhaps more often by nearby targets [size=small](often already discriminated)[/size] that mask them from good, clean two-way responses. I have also found good targets, in both 2-Tone and 3-Tone Discriminate modes, that produced good audio responses, but didn't produce a visual Target ID all the time. That was usually on the deeper-located targets, either mode..
bubbadirect said:
OR COULD IT BE a deep/deeper target? If it's a deeper target, I wonder if you can "hear" the difference in ferrous vs non ferrous?
Do you know?
Yes, sometimes you can hear an audio difference. I usually hear the deeper targets better in the 3-Tone mode more often than I do in the 2-Tone mode, but I do hear them in 2-Tone as well. I generally search older and very trashy places where using the 2-Tone VCO audio can be more of a challenge. Incidental targets I find easier to distinguish in 2-Tone mode when the iron debris is not surface or too close to the search coil.
The rapidly peaking VCO audio, even on some iron junk that is surface or shallow, can be a little more difficult to audibly identify for some, especially if it is odd-angled. Generally I can use either 2-Tone or 3-Tone models and hear differences between most ferrous and non-ferrous targets. However, as I have explained in other posts, ferrous objects can be more challenging if man has shaped hem into a form that enhances their conductivity and can produce more non-ferrous sounding responses. Deeper targets can sometimes be more difficult to 'classify' as ferrous using proven techniques, but it's a l matter of learning the detector and coil combo.
bubbadirect said:
P.s. I agree TOTALLY with you. Why would makro amp up the sensitivity on the production racer, when the preproduction units tasked about by you, Monte, and a few others WERE AWESOME?
The pre-production Racer Pro Packs that Keith, I and other received worked fine with the 3-Tone mode, in my opinion. I didn't think they needed to be increased so perform more like the 2-Tone mode. It is better, I feel, to have the two different modes to choose from and have the performance they provided as designed.
That said, I am not a bought-out promoter of any brand of detector. I like the makes and models I choose to use because they work well for me and the types of sites I hunt. I believe Keith bought his FORS CoRe but mine was provided me by Nokta and I evaluated it and determined that it had the comfort, features, and function that rewarded me with very impressive performance for the types of hunting and site environments that I like to seek out. It bumped models I have relied on for quite a while to become a regular-care, main-use detector.
I know I hoped to have a Racer to evaluate, and I am sure the others did as well, and I think we were ALL surprised to receive the packages from Makro Detectors with the Racer Pro Pack and other accessories. Not only did the Racer impress me by having similar search modes and adjustment features as the FORS CoRe, it delighted me even more with the excellent build quality I came to expect, the display and feature set, and even more with the in-the-field performance. It and the FORS CoRe became my Primary Use detectors, but not only because they were given to me for evaluation.
I was so impressed and satisfied that I purchased my own 3rd Production Racer and have two Racers and one FORS on my back seat as my choice for full-time, primary-use for all my detecting needs now. I also have the Makro Pointer to support them, but the one last detecting tool out there today that I want to get in the new Nokta Pointer.
Like others, I saw the ad from Kellyco about a Nokta Impact. I likes some of what it might have, if it is the Iron Audio Volume control, but I wasn't impressed with the way Kellyco posted about it. I do know that if there is a Nokta Impact in the near future, I want to have one. It'd won't replace the models I now rely on, but will become one more part of the team of detectors I use. There is a reason I have two Racers and would want to still add an Impact, but I mention that questionable unit here for one good reason.
That reason is because it looks like it shares the same Racer package, just a different color. If it has a couple of added functions, that's fine, but I hope it uses the same operating Frequency and shares the same search coils of the Racer, and I also hope the different search modes have the same/similar power and performance as my Pre-Production Racer and my new Production Racer because I haven't noticed any difference in the 3-Tone mode between them, and they both work excellent and are very satisfactory, in my opinion, just as they are. No need to up the performance. If I want different performance from 3-Tone I just key over to 2-Tone and hunt away.
Just my thoughts.
Monte
#AND# IF I GET a solid, reliable sounding signal, with or without a TID, well, then I should investigate. As it may just be deep 
