Very happy with the old Explorer range but with parts getting harder to source (have an Exp II control pad on an XS) am looking to buy new. Bought a brand new SE when they first came out here in the UK, and after a week swapped it for another Exp II with a few spare coils. I thought it was a terrible machine and nowhere near as good as the old Explorer - have since learned that it had a slimline coil on that was probably the reason as they were quickly replaced by the Pro coil - I don't feel the need for any fancy programmes so my question is this - can I run the new SE exactly as I do the Exp II - no iron mask - noise cancel on 1 or 11 depending on whether I'm in Ferrous or Conductivity and audio 1 - over to you...................
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SE or stick with XS & EXII
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sgoss66
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Yes, you can run it the same...I think.
I say "I think," because there is no "audio 1" option on the SE Pro. BUT, I think the SE's audio options are the same as those on the II, just renamed. I think the options are smooth, pitch hold, and long...and I think these correspond to the three audio choices on the II.
The other thing I'll say is, the factory default for sensitivity on the SE Pro is, I think, like 22. It used to be, I think, 16 on the II -- so that may seem different to you as well.
Otherwise, pinpointing is different (improved, most seem to agree), and you get digital ID while in pinpoint mode (which I really like). Otherwise, you should be able to set them up the same.
Steve
I say "I think," because there is no "audio 1" option on the SE Pro. BUT, I think the SE's audio options are the same as those on the II, just renamed. I think the options are smooth, pitch hold, and long...and I think these correspond to the three audio choices on the II.
The other thing I'll say is, the factory default for sensitivity on the SE Pro is, I think, like 22. It used to be, I think, 16 on the II -- so that may seem different to you as well.
Otherwise, pinpointing is different (improved, most seem to agree), and you get digital ID while in pinpoint mode (which I really like). Otherwise, you should be able to set them up the same.
Steve
Sensitivity not an issue as I never use auto (miss too many targets) your right about the naming of the audio options being different - Oh and before someone suggests an Etrac a used machine over here is about $1400 compared to $850 for a used SE - and having run both an Explorer and Etrac side by side for a fixed 50 targets (which both machines found) I'm not spending that amount on a machine.
dewcon4414
Well-known member
I never upgraded to the Etrac.... its obvious you know why. Before the Pro and SEF coils came out.... the Exp II had an advantage with the standard coil..... people was paying good money for the coils. Like Steve said they are a few improvements.... depth wasnt one of them. They are worth the money especially since you know them and ML cant do some repairs. Now what ya going to do if they come out with a new machine lol. Isnt that always a scarry thought?
Dew
Dew
I've had my XS since they 1st came out. I used the stock coil. If I hit a junky area, I would go back over it with the 8" coil. I bought both the PRO coil and the 10 X 12 SEF about 2 years ago. I put the PRO coil on 1st because it felt lighter. The PRO coil feels as light as the 8" coil to me. I only hunt city parks that have been pounded for over 40 years. The PRO coil makes the XS a new detector in heavy to moderate junk. I haven't gotten out much it the past 2 years. My records show 15 hunts with the PRO coil. During those 15 hunts I found 76 pieces of silver, 21 Indians and 296 Wheats. With the stock coil I would have been happy with 15 pieces of silver, 15 Indians and 100 Wheats. I've found more silver quarters (15) and halves (1) than I would have expected. Big silver had become very rare. I have found more multiple silver holes than normal. The best being a 1919 D quarter, 1906 dime, a 1910 dime and a 1912 nickle in the same hole. I believe that I had gone over all these coins previosly with the stock coil and the 8" coil.
My last hunt was last week. I detected one of the most obvious places in a pounded park: in front of a swing set. I hunted a 20' x 30" area in front of the swing set for about 5 hours and pulled 8 silvers. The previous week I hunted along the only sidewalk that went through the park. I found 6 silvers in about 4 hours. With today's silver prices, I've found enough silver with the PRO coil to pay for it. The SEF may be a great coil, but I haven't had a reason to try it.The other varible is that I hunt in nice black topsoil, that runs any where from 8" to well over 12".
If you have the PRO coil and you know where you have pulled keepers in moderate to heavy junk with other coils or other detectors, hit those areas with the PRO coil and go slow. I have no reason to buy a newer detector as long as I can find junky areas to hunt. I'll hit the area in front of the swing set a few more times and expect to pull another 8 silvers out of it. It was one of the junkiest areas that I've detected. it was either a null or a constant signal. If you are digging real signals as opposed to iffy signals and the hole is empty, turn the sensitivity down. Good Luck.
My last hunt was last week. I detected one of the most obvious places in a pounded park: in front of a swing set. I hunted a 20' x 30" area in front of the swing set for about 5 hours and pulled 8 silvers. The previous week I hunted along the only sidewalk that went through the park. I found 6 silvers in about 4 hours. With today's silver prices, I've found enough silver with the PRO coil to pay for it. The SEF may be a great coil, but I haven't had a reason to try it.The other varible is that I hunt in nice black topsoil, that runs any where from 8" to well over 12".
If you have the PRO coil and you know where you have pulled keepers in moderate to heavy junk with other coils or other detectors, hit those areas with the PRO coil and go slow. I have no reason to buy a newer detector as long as I can find junky areas to hunt. I'll hit the area in front of the swing set a few more times and expect to pull another 8 silvers out of it. It was one of the junkiest areas that I've detected. it was either a null or a constant signal. If you are digging real signals as opposed to iffy signals and the hole is empty, turn the sensitivity down. Good Luck.
What sold me is the tradmark pin point id... I cant explain the amount or volumn of coins this feature has helped me find. But then again I am a pig who loves hunting in trash. I love the trade marks sounds of the explorers on silver. To me a trained ear can easely discern a iron chirp from the trade mark rounded tappered sound drop of silver. Just thinking about it makes my mouth water, having the pin point mode and a small coil is icing on the cake. I dont even carry a trash pouch anymore 
Afterall the explorer se pro series are the approved detectors of the jedi. Once mastered, you will never face field conditions you can't defeat with practice. May the FBS force be with you.
HH,
Tom
Afterall the explorer se pro series are the approved detectors of the jedi. Once mastered, you will never face field conditions you can't defeat with practice. May the FBS force be with you.
HH,
Tom
I found over 200 pieces of silver the 1st year I had the XS. Over the years the silver had become rare. I put the PRO coil on the XS and I suddenly average 5 silvers a trip. I doubt that I suddenly became a better hunter. I've never used any of the newer "Explorers". But from my view point, there's a question that I have to ask. Assuming the SE Pro or E-Trac is significantly better than the XS, what portion of that improvement is the PRO coil resposible for?
I don't dig surface signals. I don't dig unless I think the target is at least 6".I have no problem pin pointing. I dig more Wheats than Memorials. I don't look at the sceen unless I'm bored and decide to dig clad quarters. Add in at least moderate junk and the XS with the PRO coil becomes a silver monster. I've detected these parks for 30 years, so I know what areas produced in the past. I was posting my XS finds back then and ended up with 3 guys with XS's following me around for 2 years. Only 1 of the 3 shared their spots. Under the conditions that I hunt, there is no comparison between a XS with the stock coil or the 8" coil and the XS with the PRO coil. The best comparison that I can come up with is it's like when the XS 1st came out all over again. During my last 2 hunts, about 8 hours total, I found 14 pieces of siver in what I would consider the most obvious areas of 2 different pounded parks. I would like to see Minelab produce an 8" PRO coil.
I don't dig surface signals. I don't dig unless I think the target is at least 6".I have no problem pin pointing. I dig more Wheats than Memorials. I don't look at the sceen unless I'm bored and decide to dig clad quarters. Add in at least moderate junk and the XS with the PRO coil becomes a silver monster. I've detected these parks for 30 years, so I know what areas produced in the past. I was posting my XS finds back then and ended up with 3 guys with XS's following me around for 2 years. Only 1 of the 3 shared their spots. Under the conditions that I hunt, there is no comparison between a XS with the stock coil or the 8" coil and the XS with the PRO coil. The best comparison that I can come up with is it's like when the XS 1st came out all over again. During my last 2 hunts, about 8 hours total, I found 14 pieces of siver in what I would consider the most obvious areas of 2 different pounded parks. I would like to see Minelab produce an 8" PRO coil.
dewcon4414
Well-known member
I have no doubt the greatest improvement to many of the newer machines has been the headphones and coils..... it certainly hasnt been the technology. I know a couple of hunters that will put you to shame using the XS. There are several old models out there rarely being used that can still hold their own with so called modern technology. The sad thing is ..... as they get replaced with newer models there is less interest and repairs like any thing stop unless jobers find it cost effective to produce the parts.... thats just not going to happen with detectors.
Dew
Dew
Larry (IL)
Well-known member
I have to agree, target ID in pinpoint is worth the extra price to me. With careful searching, a nice used SE is not that much more (if any) than an EXll. I have gone from the XS to the SE to the ET and back to the SE and love it.
dewcon4414
Well-known member
I obviously need more than 6 days a week hunting to get to know my machine before i go out with the guys with the XS again lol. Its not always the machine..... but the nut driving it.
Dew
Dew
IMHO
Some people feel the SE doesn't handle iron as well as the XS or EX2...but I'm NOT one of them.
If you get to know the SE...there won't be anyone using an XS "putting you to shame" .
It isn't about what machine you have or which one has the newest tecnology or bells and whistles. It's flat out getting to know your machine...BUT if it does happen to have a feature or two that give you an edge so to speak...no one will put you to shame...no matter who they are...IF you know said machine.
The E-Trac hands down is the newest Minelab tecnology for deep turf coin hunters and has some great features...and I use it and love it...BUT the explorer SE is my main machine. I prefer the 10 x 12 SEF coil hands down over the pro coil for obvious reasons I have stated 100's of times..and 9 out of 10 people who hunt with me end up getting the SEF over the pro coil after we do actual in field testing over targets in iron.
Will your results be the same and will you like it better in iron????....I can't answer that as we all have different things we listen for.
That being said...I also have a new found love for the pro coil and LOVE using it in certain spots. It is deeeep and sensitive to tiny silver and silver on edge. I just like the SEF coil better in iron.
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Some people feel the SE doesn't handle iron as well as the XS or EX2...but I'm NOT one of them.
If you get to know the SE...there won't be anyone using an XS "putting you to shame" .
It isn't about what machine you have or which one has the newest tecnology or bells and whistles. It's flat out getting to know your machine...BUT if it does happen to have a feature or two that give you an edge so to speak...no one will put you to shame...no matter who they are...IF you know said machine.
The E-Trac hands down is the newest Minelab tecnology for deep turf coin hunters and has some great features...and I use it and love it...BUT the explorer SE is my main machine. I prefer the 10 x 12 SEF coil hands down over the pro coil for obvious reasons I have stated 100's of times..and 9 out of 10 people who hunt with me end up getting the SEF over the pro coil after we do actual in field testing over targets in iron.
Will your results be the same and will you like it better in iron????....I can't answer that as we all have different things we listen for.
That being said...I also have a new found love for the pro coil and LOVE using it in certain spots. It is deeeep and sensitive to tiny silver and silver on edge. I just like the SEF coil better in iron.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1451106,1451234#msg-1451234
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1402675,1403432#msg-1403432
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1306473,1306772#msg-1306772
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1072122,1072259#msg-1072259
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1005330,1005374#msg-1005374
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,954424,954591#msg-954591
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,804711,804790#msg-804790
Bryce, I do agee that the pinpoint feature is better on the SE, but the trashy places I hunt render the pinpoint feature useless. I have to probe the tip of the coil into the target and try to isolate it. Most times, I can only get a one way signal. If I try to use the pinpont, it locks onto the adjacent trash. The pinpoint is fine in an open area, but not feasible in any spots with trash. It seems that most places with older coins are loaded with all kinds of trash. R.L.
Agreed...and a very good point.
Many times in iron infested sites I too find the feature rendered helpless...and have to do the minelab wiggle in order to hone in on the "dig me" spot.
At trashy sites the pinpoint is GREAT...especially with a small coil....but deep silver in heavy iron is a different story.
...and a very good point.Many times in iron infested sites I too find the feature rendered helpless...and have to do the minelab wiggle in order to hone in on the "dig me" spot.
At trashy sites the pinpoint is GREAT...especially with a small coil....but deep silver in heavy iron is a different story.
Pinpoint with adjacent trash is not a problem, for me that is. Pop on a smaller coil... gtg
I exclusively hunt in trash, sometimes you just have to dig that trash to get that treasure. It might just be me but sometime the pin point will just lock on that silver in the trash... I dont complain when that happens. Another thing I do (trademark) is what I like to call scalping. What you do, is cut just below the root line of the grass in a 12 x 12 area shaped like a stapple pull a little and it will come up like carpet. This will clean up alot of your surface crap run your coil back over that patch of grassless earth and listen, this works pretty well for me. If no grass is present, well dig where you need to dig
HH,
Tom
I exclusively hunt in trash, sometimes you just have to dig that trash to get that treasure. It might just be me but sometime the pin point will just lock on that silver in the trash... I dont complain when that happens. Another thing I do (trademark) is what I like to call scalping. What you do, is cut just below the root line of the grass in a 12 x 12 area shaped like a stapple pull a little and it will come up like carpet. This will clean up alot of your surface crap run your coil back over that patch of grassless earth and listen, this works pretty well for me. If no grass is present, well dig where you need to dig
HH,
Tom
GREAT POINT and INFO
About 90% of what I was referring to was the pinpoint while locating a coin in heavy iron...and i might edit edit my original response to state that.
I'm with you 100% on the trash/pinpoint...but deep silver in iron is a different story.
A lot of guys will get what they think is a good target...but when they go to pinpoint...the location of the pinpointed target gets "sucked" as much as a foot away from the original "hit"....so they mark it off as iron.
Some practice...patience...and a little "minelab wiggle" while in the normal hunt mode over where you originally got the good hit....can often result in a keeper from the iron.
I would honestly say that approximately 60 to 70 of my silver finds this year came from those exact same circumstances.
Small coils are AWESOME to help pinpoint in trash...but the pinpoint on the SE is rendered helpless in heavy iron for me....small coil or not.
About 90% of what I was referring to was the pinpoint while locating a coin in heavy iron...and i might edit edit my original response to state that.
I'm with you 100% on the trash/pinpoint...but deep silver in iron is a different story.
A lot of guys will get what they think is a good target...but when they go to pinpoint...the location of the pinpointed target gets "sucked" as much as a foot away from the original "hit"....so they mark it off as iron.
Some practice...patience...and a little "minelab wiggle" while in the normal hunt mode over where you originally got the good hit....can often result in a keeper from the iron.
I would honestly say that approximately 60 to 70 of my silver finds this year came from those exact same circumstances.
Small coils are AWESOME to help pinpoint in trash...but the pinpoint on the SE is rendered helpless in heavy iron for me....small coil or not.