Ref your thinking is not correct because.

[Les in the UK]

These large display meters are making them bigger and not lighter,these meters have began to prove they are of no use in deciding to dig or not,only to confuse.Tesoro has more for the future of metal detection designs,such as more advanced discrimination circuits,that let you know more than a meter ever will,even lighter designs that could not be done with a meter in your face.Time will tell.Sit back and watch the metal detection war be won by by Tesoro.CW

Come on CW this sort of thing makes us all look bad bud, i like reading your posts the same as i like reading all the other peoples posts on here, but your loyalty to Tesoro will get you a new detector if you keep this up.

First off i would like to say that i like Tesoro, i have had and used many of them over the last 25 years and the people that know me know that i tell it as it is. So i will tell you your post is all wrong.
Large displays weigh nothing now on modern detectors.
meters are very useful, they do have limitations.
If Tesoro had more in the future, it would be here now as the future is now.
And to say sit back and watch the metal detection war be won by Tesoro, how far do they have to sit back as Tesoro used to be 3rd in line in the UK it's now in 8th place.

Now lets get back to detecting and the great forum that this is. Les in the UK

 

[plidn1]

These large display meters are making them bigger and not lighter,these meters have began to prove they are of no use in deciding to dig or not,only to confuse.Tesoro has more for the future of metal detection designs,such as more advanced discrimination circuits,that let you know more than a meter ever will,even lighter designs that could not be done with a meter in your face.Time will tell.Sit back and watch the metal detection war be won by by Tesoro.CW

Come on CW this sort of thing makes us all look bad bud, i like reading your posts the same as i like reading all the other peoples posts on here, but your loyalty to Tesoro will get you a new detector if you keep this up.

First off i would like to say that i like Tesoro, i have had and used many of them over the last 25 years and the people that know me know that i tell it as it is. So i will tell you your post is all wrong.
Large displays weigh nothing now on modern detectors.
meters are very useful, they do have limitations.
If Tesoro had more in the future, it would be here now as the future is now.
And to say sit back and watch the metal detection war be won by Tesoro, how far do they have to sit back as Tesoro used to be 3rd in line in the UK it's now in 8th place.

Now lets get back to detecting and the great forum that this is. Les in the UK

Well Said Les.
I would not have been so diplomatic.

 

[Hank68]

 

[Les in the UK]

All detectors have there place CW, i can also see where your coming from the same as i can see some detectors work better than others.
I prefer the older Tesoro detectors to the new ones. But then I'm old school, i believe if it's not broken then don't fix it or change it and that's why i use the Lobo st (it works great on the sites that i search) you take care and happy hunting bud, i look forward to reading your next post mate. Les in the UK

 

[allcav]

This is my opinion only and may not be the opinion of Tesoro. The screens are a crutch. You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen. This message is by Robert Martensen not of Tesoro.

 

[tabman]

I swing Tesoro detectors the most.

I use and have tried other so called high tech detectors and I like some of them a lot, but overall I prefer Tesoro detectors.

Why? Because they work and work well for my style of hunting.

tabman

 

[plidn1]

This is my opinion only and may not be the opinion of Tesoro. The screens are a crutch. You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen. This message is by Robert Martensen not of Tesoro.

That's not true,
my TID detector is capable of identifying not only coins, but various irons, % of iron, foil, aluminum, pull tabs, bottle caps, mineralization in the ground, black sand, gold, silver, and assigns a number to each metal or alloy so that you can identify each in varying degrees. It also tells me the depth and exact center of the target. It will even tell you if a good target is next to a bad one if you know what it is telling you.
You can only derive this information from hours in the field learning what it is telling you. You are never digging blind if you listen to your detector. You have a much higher chance of pulling greater value targets then a machine that tells you much less.
Is it perfect? NO. But.......
The bottom line is, the more information you have to work with, the easier it is to make an educated decision to dig. I dig 90 % of the targets I hit. But I am confident I am not missing something good and have a good idea what it is I am digging. I know I am using the right coil for soil conditions in a foreign field and have the best chance for success on any given day.

That being said, I also have lesser equipped detectors for specialty situations, that fit the niche as I come up against them in specific hunts.

 

[Les in the UK]

We both know that a screen is only as good as the guy reading it, the same as a non screen detector will detect things deeper than what a screen detector will.
But what many people don't know is that most screen or target id detector are only good down to about 4 or 6 inches.
When you say (You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen) i could say is that with a Tesoro or is that with all screen or TID detectors.
I have not had a go of your Outlaw, I did have the Bandido and a Laser B1 and a few more of your detectors including the Cibola, Tejon pro and the Hawkeye.
I liked the Silver Sabre Plus for it's simplicity and it's ability to find coins but like many other detectorists i have been looking for a Tesoro detector with a little more depth and good discrimination.
But, and this is my personal opinion, i have found that your new detectors do give more depth but at the cost of discrimination. I will say that many of the other make of detectors also do this so it's not just a Tesoro thing, you take care Robert i look forward to reading your posts, and please tell Rusty Les says Hi.
Les in the UK

 

[slingshot]

This is my opinion only and may not be the opinion of Tesoro. The screens are a crutch. You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen. This message is by Robert Martensen not of Tesoro.

And I would say that's a pretty conservative estimate. It's really not noticeable until you lower your discriminate and dig it all. Some rings fall in the iron category. I have recovered quarters with my Silver umax at min. disc. and the signal was a quick "blip". After recovery and rescanning in a/m, I received a huge signal which was a large iron object. I could go on, but I think everyone knows the rest of the story.

 

[tabman]

This is my opinion only and may not be the opinion of Tesoro. The screens are a crutch. You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen. This message is by Robert Martensen not of Tesoro.

And I would say that's a pretty conservative estimate. It's really not noticeable until you lower your discriminate and dig it all. Some rings fall in the iron category. I have recovered quarters with my Silver umax at min. disc. and the signal was a quick "blip". After recovery and rescanning in a/m, I received a huge signal which was a large iron object. I could go on, but I think everyone knows the rest of the story.

Yep! Most of the public areas have been cherry picked to death. You're right, turn down the discrimination and you will find more goodies.

I always say to myself when digging a bunch of pull tabs, well nobody has detected this for gold yet.

I really, really like the Silver.

tabman

 

[Hank68]

I agree Tabman when I'm finding a lot of nickels and tabs there are rings to be found, hunting with hank.com

 

[mike5853]

This is my opinion only and may not be the opinion of Tesoro. The screens are a crutch. You will loose 40% of finds if you follow the screen. This message is by Robert Martensen not of Tesoro.

I can say from experience that is exactly what happens. No matter how hard you try, you always seem to, in the end, let the screen make the call for you. My finds have increased ten fold once I went back to my Tesoro and started making the decisions again. And for the money I got for my high end detector, I bought a Golden, SIlver and Vaquero. How cool is that!

 

[Hank68]

Three great detectors Mike, I've been a huge fan of Tesoros for years and bought a lot from them and I never regretted it!

 

[mike5853]

Three great detectors Mike, I've been a huge fan of Tesoros for years and bought a lot from them and I never regretted it!

Tesoro's found "Excellence in Simplicity" and it's tough to beat!

 

[Les in the UK]

Yep! Most of the public areas have been cherry picked to death. You're right, turn down the discrimination and you will find more goodies.

I always say to myself when digging a bunch of pull tabs, well nobody has detected this for gold yet.

I really, really like the Silver.

tabman

Well said tabman. I also like the silver.

Les in the UK

 

[scott.f]

Tesoro...the non TID company...ummm, Deleon... Cortes...

 

[Les in the UK]

I have a question for you TID guys
How do you feel now that you know that your losing 40% of your finds to non TID detectors. i bet that you all wish that you had bought a Tesoro detector now, don't you.

Les in the UK

 

[plidn1]

I have a question for you TID guys
How do you feel now that you know that your losing 40% of your finds to non TID detectors. i bet that you all wish that you had bought a Tesoro detector now, don't you.

Les in the UK

Since you asked.............
I lose nothing.
The pic shows aprox. 15% of my last 8 month finds.
That's using a 6 3/4" coil and the deepest ring was silver at 11".
Only 2 of the rings were found with a Tesoro.
I like my Tesoros very much, but they don't compare.

 

[Mike Hillis]

That is a nice crutch!!!!!!

The meter vs non-meter conversation gets boring real quick, especially on this forum.

HH
Mike

 

[litrfree]

Boys and girls,

If I may say any sentence, I say two, maybe one or two more. The Displays fans exists, and do the best with their equipment for personal pleasure, for dreams, and for detector hunting hobby as a kind of free time or professional activities. They know pure what is a depth limit of their engines, and have a respect for analogs. In many cases it is one way only for types who had been not able going successfully with one tone or analog (semi-analog, in principle, of course) detectors. And we can continue to second sentence..... only one tone sounds as too complicated for listening, understanding detector language. Yes, it is, it is true. Everybody need any practice, self-training and self-improvement. Important is choice of coil, choice of detector for surface and hunted targets, .... yes, if you have simple full digital tool with a display, and you will have 2 hours within 2 weeks only for your hobby, you have not money enough for long distance travelling to top fields, and you like detector hunting, you will happy for any chance make yours hobby. Dear friends, lets to be a friends as Tesoro is for own customers, you can be proud, you are able drive one tone detectors. Mainstream is not able to do it, you are lucky, believe me.

I wish you and yours families nice days, and do not forgot ... you never walk alone, never.....

Regards

Poor killer of flies

litrfree