Recovery Speed Question

[Monte]

I'll throw in my two zincs:

The discontinued White's Classic series, Classic ID, Classic IDX, IDX Pro, and non- metered Classic lll SL with the Blue Max 350 'Snooper' 4 inch coil do pretty well in the nails. The places I hunt are around old farmsteads over 100 yrs. old and have plenty of nails in the ground mixed in with some goodies like indian head pennies, old silver, watch fobs, tokens etc. JMHO.

Randy

I also hunt, and have hunted, a lot of homesteads, ghost towns, and other high-traffic and long-gone sites that are very littered with trash. Depth, as Will Penny mentioned, is not really an issue because the goal is to have quick response and fast recovery and hear good stuff in amongst the junk. My Omega and Gamma do well. My T2 does slightly better. The G2 seems a titch better still. In trashy sites I also favor a smaller coil when conditions get really bad so I most often go with the round 5" DD coil. However, there are limits.

Those limits have to include overall performance of modern technology pitted against older technology. Better stated, it's a matter of doing the best we can with the digital designs that are made today to find what works best and comes close to good analog type models. I am using some of THE BEST of the modern digital detectors with great success.

But if a person does a couple of tests using my 'Nail Board' evaluation, which is simply a copy of four iron nails laying on the surface of a Utah ghost town with an Indian Head cent centered, just as I viewed them, they will find that some of the former models seem to excel. Models like the Tesoro Bandido and Bandido II and Silver Sabre II and White's Classic III SL, Classic ID and the IDX and IDX Pro (just as Hombre mentioned) are absolute killers at response and recovery!

Back when I carried 3 or 4 White's with me all the time I kept my XLT for 'cruising' and general use, and then my Classic III SL (with Mr. Bill's modifications) kept the 4" (Blue Max 350) coil mounted full time for the trashiest of places, and the also-modified IDX Pro kept the 6

 

[Tallon]

I'd have to say my Mikron NRG-110 is very fast. Also the DeepTech Vista Gold with the smaller coil (8X5.5") is quicker than the standard larger coil but with, obviously, a trade-off in depth. The Mikron has a two-tone low-to-high for ferrous, low tone for ferrous and a high tone for non-ferrous but if you have a good target next to a bad one, they tend to intermingle and thus you don't get that solid 'true positive' feeling about the individual targets if you happen to have a lot of trash/keepers in the same area. Creates an element of sensory overload. With these detectors, guys, I can't stress this enough, you have to (really) slow down. They are (NOT) casual, beginner-grade, sweep a hundred miles per hour, got to be somewhere in a half-hour machines. To do a good job one has to really slow down and pay attention to each and every sound (BUT) the rewards are sometimes amazing. The trick is to go into a sight with (any) of these dedicated machines with the attitude that you WILL NOT get into a hurry and/or set time limits. These fast minimal-disc. machines behave like the pre-disc. T/R, VLF NON-DISC. machines from the of the 70s. Coin/relic hunters literally dug (EVERYTHING) with the exception of small iron as many of the better brands and/or models had a NULL feature on iron nails, rusty screwdrivers, knives, etc. They also found a (LOT) more good stuff than many of us with our impatient mindsets and automatic 'do-all' detectors could ever do unless we have learned to slow down and learned the language of our machines. Good luck all!!!! Ps; Anyone ever try out a Golden Mask Pro 4WD before????

 

[Mega]

The Deus is lightning fast,i thought the T2 was pretty quick but the Deus is the fastest that i have ever used

 

[mrwilburino]

Is there anyone who has spent time with a Deus..........that feels there is a faster machine out there?

 

[daddyflea]

I don't feel like Recovery speed is very crucial although I am told my V3i set on 40 is one of the fastest around. I have run it much faster. I think the Eliptical Coils clearing the targets are much more critical. I found 22 coins in one hole yesterday. This hole was the size of a Basketball and I am pretty sure that using a larger coil, I would have passed this up for a crushed can.

 

[Tallon]

Another good one. The Rutus Proxima/Argo/Jupiter from Poland. From the videos,they sound quicker than the Teknetics T2 LTD/G2, Fisher F75 SE/Goldbug 2. They are also on-screen adjustable from 1-100 (if I remember right from watching the videos) on recovery-time adjustment menu settings. They look very much like the Whites DFX, MXT, V3i, etc. Reportedly they aren't heavy-hitters in the depth department but the original question was not one of depth but of recovery time in the original blog. They are said to have the depth of a Teknetics Omega though for anyone interested. Should be lightning quick in iron-infested areas for those who coin/jewelry hunt. They run around $700 (new) on Ebay. Oddly, one dealer and maybe the only one that sells them new to the world is a dealer out of Spain. Some other good ones(watch the videos on their recovery times; subtitles not included, LOL!) are the Pirate Black Devil(Bulgarian), The NOS brand(Bulgarian), Golden Mask(Bulgaria), Detech EDS(Bulgaria), Nexus Bonanza/Credo/Standard Mk.II(touted by them as the deepest production detector made), the SKG Terminator Turbo(looks like they borrowed their design directly from the old Fisher 1260-1266X shape, design and configuration), C-Scope(Britain), AKG Sorex(similar in behavior and sound to a Minelab CTX-3030 but with more depth than the Minelab) and made in Russia and the list goes on and on. Poland also, in addition to the Rutus brand, makes a brand called Armand metal detectors since around 1985 although their response-time seems to be a bit on the 'laggy' side. Good luck to everyone!!!!

 

[Sven]

There's a lot of cool stuff out there made overseas and worth taking a look at.
For those brave enough and have the cash might like to try some of those out.
The guys on Gary's UK forum have tried many of the machines, so you could get some good intel on them.
I have a bunch of links on my website that will put you in the right direction.
http://www.treasurelinx.com/links.html and this site has
lots of download-able info regarding those machines. http://metaldetectings.com/download.php

 

[blacksea]

Deus is No. 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RwN_2502kg
Blisstool LTC64x v6 No. 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UdoQbQOQ9qE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfZ3queyaGQ

 

[mudpuppy]

Interesting thread...

I'm not a Pro either, but I hunt fast in the heavy trash and love it!..... I have an F70, which is lightening fast, both in recovery circuitry and ergonomics...also I have the AtPro, relegated only to beach and water duty, it is also pretty 'fast' (and very deep, and loves gold) compared to most but not as 'fast' as the 70 or as ergonomic..which in the water, or slogging along through deep sand is no problem anyway...

From what I can tell, both in electronic recovery and physical swing time, the Deus HAS to be the fastest out there in an unmodified rig in both regards...What good is a fast recovery machine if a guy cant use its fast processor strength linked to a lightweight, ergonomic package?

I may be missing something here regarding the benefit of "fast circuit recovery"...but really, a super fast light rig, with multiple tone capability, a fellow can flat out fly through the trash or open fields like a mad man, several targets under coil at any given time, pulling the good targets out, and essentially covering more ground than a (slow recovery, or even fast recovery but cumbersome rig) in the allotted time afield?...

The only reason I dont have the Deus for my ONLY rig is on account of the program/wireless intimidation factor, (I'm very stupid and discouraged by any kind of computers, so I'd need hands on tutoring)...and also its not waterproof...sure theres a snorkle cable mod...dont think I've not looked hard into this subject, I like speedy hunting in trash...its just super easy for me to fire up the 70 or the Pro and hunt without going all poindexter or rocket scientisty..

So...the Deus would get my vote, regarding fast circuit coupled with ergonomics..but again, I'm no Pro, and have not tried any other brands some respectable posters mentioned here...I do sling coil like a weed whip generally...
Mud

 

[Nauti]

You've got to laugh at those recovery speed tests that are conducted with targets on top of the ground.......they are pointless.Targets buried in the ground react in a totally different way than fresh targets placed on the grounds surface and all at the same level to one another.Please dont buy a detector on the strength of these nail board tests as you might be disappointed with the results when it comes to real world detecting.

 

[blacksea]

In ground recovery speed are similar.
Very interesting recovery speed tests is done of Norfolk Wolf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfBT-LxVoIg - slow detector

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OrLcMCCQWc - fast detector

 

[Nauti]

No they are not.....why don't you try it.When targets are in the ground they are affected by all kinds of variables including soil conditions,depth of targets etc.......sometimes a machine with a slow recovery speed will pick out a target that is next to iron better than one with a lightning recovery speed.
As for the norfolk wolf tests,they only give an idea to what the machine can do on certain buried targets.....they are nothing to do with recovery speed,his recovery speed tests are the normal "nailboard" type tests.Also,his tests are based on his machine settings and soil conditions which i'm pretty sure will be totally different from yours.

 

[tabman]

I'm with Charlie. I can't say I've tried every machine out there, but have and use several Tesoros and gotten rid of several competitor's machines due to notable lagging response times compared to the Tesoros.
BB

Both of those gentleman know what they're talking about. Tesoro detectors kick butt at iron laden sites and do it with ease.

tabman

 

[blacksea]

No they are not.....why don't you try it.When targets are in the ground they are affected by all kinds of variables including soil conditions,depth of targets etc.......sometimes a machine with a slow recovery speed will pick out a target that is next to iron better than one with a lightning recovery speed.
As for the norfolk wolf tests,they only give an idea to what the machine can do on certain buried targets.....they are nothing to do with recovery speed,his recovery speed tests are the normal "nailboard" type tests.Also,his tests are based on his machine settings and soil conditions which i'm pretty sure will be totally different from yours.

Here is underground ground recovery speed test (after 6:00) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9kQ3jZH0hY&feature=youtu.be

 

[Nauti]

Excellent video proving everything I said was correct.
1.It is easy to knock iron out when it is on the surface of the ground,but when buried it will give a good signal.This is especially true when it has been buried for a long time and when soil is damp.
2. When the good target is buried,the detector has a much harder time picking it up after the coil has passed over the iron.

This video shows a good target a long way from the iron target giving the machine every opportunity to pick up the good target.....neither are doing a good job.I have a cheap detector that will get brilliant results on a nailboard test but it is a different story on a target that is close to iron that has been buried for many years........you know,real world detecting.
Yes,a nailboard test will show how fast the reset time is on any particular machine,but this does not translate into the same efficiency on buried targets,especially when all the variables are considered.