R2 Air Test

[petew]

I agree with Southwind, my etrac gets 10 to 11 inches airtest,and that's what it gets in the ground.Whoever said the etrac airtest bad need to get their etrac checked out.Airtest are your best case scenario for in ground depth.
Under the blackest sky,when all the stars are aligned and the perfect storm is near,you might get a extra inch in depth past a airtest result,from a halo.Anything past that your reaching.

 

[basstrackerman]

Mine is same way.. Air test and in ground were very close to the same..

 

[Sven]

From what I read on NASA Tom's forum that guy on the Video is the Makro engineer who programs the detectors.

Just going to add, we can adjust the AKA Sorex, Signum and Berkut to provide similar air test depths to produce the WOW factor. Fantastic!!
Only problem is you would never get that in any soil matrix. Those settings used for the miracle air test are right on the fringe of being unstable in an air test.
Those settings are impossible to hunt with in the ground, would be a totally unstable machine you could not hunt with.

I don't understand why a company has to brag about an air test or was it used as a marketing gig to imply, and get some one to make a purchase
based on the air test. All I can now see are some new owners will be claiming to find coins at those air test depths, you just watch the forums............

 

[Sven]

Here's a Signum air test posted by BigC just to show you Makros are not the only detectors to Air Test deep

 

[amberjack]

if I have to dig 40 cm to find a coin in the dirt it can stay there

it is a good party trick and hey if you can get a detector to do that why not show it off

me and my mate were having a giggle went something like go Alper your the man of cause and I am sure my Aussie accent made it sound even funnier if you were Turkish Aussing up the pronunciation of Alpers name yeah go to bed AJ its like 3.45 am and your delirious.

anyway bit of fun and I am sure no one expects to get that depth in ground.

good night

AJ

 

[Monte]

Yes, I watched Alper do the "Air Test" of the Racer 2, and his results were close to those I got with a variety of coins. I have watched many 'Air Tests' on many Forums done by Keith Southern and many others through the years. I have seen 'Air Tests' done by different detector manufacturer's reps for decades, and I have done them myself since I built my first unit about March 5th of 1965. That's been a lot of 'Air Testing' and, along the way, a lot of learning.

Does an 'Air Test' show us exactly what we can expect form an in-ground target? .. Of course not.

Does it mean 'Air Tests' are useless and of no real value? .. Of course not!

If you were to go into a Dealer's shop and see three or four interesting looking detectors, and all of them had the same weight and balance, all of them used the same size and type search coil, and all of them had the exact same adjustment controls and visual display, then you would buy any one of them and expect to get the same performance, right? .. Of course not!

If you seemed to prefer one over the others because it has a more attractive colored control housing, and you liked silver rods instead of black, and a white search coil instead of brown or black, then just buy it. It's going to provide all the anticipated depth and performance you expect, right? .. Of course not!

So you grab a few coins out of your pocket and use your gold ring , then one-at-a-time you turn them on and check them out .... in an 'Air Test.

With one you can get some air-depth readings in the 8" to 11" range with an assortment of coins, and with another they tend to vary a little more depending upon the coin metal make-up, but give air-depths from 7" to 12". Then you check the 'air -depth' of the model that catches your eye and use the same coins in the same location with the same EMI potential issues and you get 'air-depth' readings from 4" to 6½". Is that one going to be the model that impresses you and you'll quickly shell out some good $$$$ for it? .... Of Course Not!

'Air Testing' simply shows the best possible depth results you might get in the most favorable conditions.

It allows you to learn more about the detector's modulated or saturated audio with different gain settings and coil-to-target distance.

It lets you learn about the detector's possible Target ID response 'depth.'

Learn about the detectors Tone ID audio quality, and at what approximate 'depth' you might hear an anticipated tone for the target and when there isn't sufficient signal strength to process a proper audio Tone.

It gives you an idea of how one model might compare with others, and is useful for learning much more other than simply potential 'depth.'

I 'Air Test' every make and model detector I have ever owned, and for good reason. THEN, having gained some knowledge and knowing what kind of best-possible results I might get in favorable conditions, I just get out detecting and learn all I can about the detector. Along the way, as I am searching different locations and trash target conditions, learning the adjustment functions and learning the quality of the audible and visual responses, I am much better off learning and mastering a detector, all because I started out with some learned information to relate it to ... thanks to 'Air Testing.'

Just my thoughts.

Monte

 

[Sven]

Well said, I air test and bench test for all the above learning reasons, so I have some understandings how the detector operates before I do an actual hunt.
Makes for quicker learning out in the field.

 

[amberjack]

example http://www.findmall.com/read.php?86,2278364

I believe if we call it bench testing it just sounds better

but really I can sit there with the coil in my lap headphones on and for instance the gold racer and get all the gold I can lay my hands on and listen to what it sounds like for me its important and can help finding more gold, so not a waste of time in my book.

and yeah I have a bit of fun with it and what words on a page lack is tone and we all know how important that is.

so a lot may get lost in translation, but have to agree bench testing is a good tool to help in the field.

now for God sake go to bed man

AJ

 

[lytle78]

I have a quarter buried about 8" deep in medium mineralized AZ red clay dirt.

I have air tested probably 20 different machines in the last three years and tested the same machines against the quarter.

In no case did the in ground test exceed the air test by any significant margin.

In some cases it was close or equal.

In most cases it was a bit less.

If a detector air tests significantly more than another detector, my experience suggests that, at least for other than highly mineralized dirt the first machine will detect deeper than the second.

Good ID depth is more variable however. Some detector do a better job of coin ID than others and some (like my IDX pro) give accurate id's deeper than their audio response in discriminate.

 

[petew]

I had a signum 7272,and that 3 frequency coil put on 3 khz was amazingly deep,how deep I'm not gonna say,but I will say it passed everything I've used in the States.And fast,RT was amazing.Out of everya hine I've ever owned,I miss the siggy

 

[Sven]

now for God sake go to bed man

AJ

Way too early to hit the hay, its only 4PM in the afternoon. And I don't even take afternoon naps, too much to do, too little time.......Another 8 hours to go for me...............at midnight I will drift off into fantasy land.

 

[Southwind]

Well said Monte.

 

[Rick(ND)]

Monte,

Good to hear your opinion on this mater and thought and hope it is not too hot of a topic for this forum.
You been doing it a few more years than I have as I started in 1973 and I do air testing too on all my detectors for the same reasons, but don't hold those air test 100% as the depth and ID they will produce in the Field. Seen many that have great depth in air test, but in real hunting conditions it is not that good which I am sure many have seen.I also seen some that air tested good and it seems like the depth was better in the actual hunting, not a lot, but better. On any detector it comes down to how well you know your detector and be prepared to learn something each and every time you use it, the more you learn the better the depth and ID can be. It also seems the more controls you have the harder it is to learn it, but when you do you also have more control of your detector and why the Racer has done so well for many as there is not of controls to adjust or should I say misadjust.
I have a Racer and also a gold Racer and have a Racer 2 coming, but still in the learning of them yet, in fact the Gold Racer not been out doors yet and only doing air test which I find very good on depth and very small items, but in the hunt is where I find how great it is.My detector I have mastered can get depth and ID most do not and it all comes down to experience with that detector and when it give a signal knowing what it is telling me.
Air test are good for test as you say to get a idea of how this detector will work, but for depth and ID in actual hunts to me is questionable you will get what the air test show.
First thing when the Racer 2 gets here is a air test in factory settings to see how much chatter it will get as the Red Racer seem to chatter in factory setting, but the Gold Racer does not and could be the freq of it, or maybe it is not factory set at such high gain in default.


Rick

 

[Sweeping-4-junk]

All air test proves is how sensitive the detector is , it does not prove how in ground depth of detection will be. I know the best depths can be got in dry sand ,"
So if you can detect a Coin at 20 inches in air , dry sand will give you almost 20 inches. On your average farmland site you might only get 9 0r 10 inches.or less

 

[Southwind]

Yes an air test may not show how deep you can get in the ground, but it can show potential. That is to say, if your detector can only get 6" in an air test to expect it to go deeper in the ground is unrealistic.

 

[amberjack]

now for God sake go to bed man

AJ

Way too early to hit the hay, its only 4PM in the afternoon. And I don't even take afternoon naps, too much to do, too little time.......Another 8 hours to go for me...............at midnight I will drift off into fantasy land.

yeah it was like near 5am for me I probably need to go live in NA on the same time clock

AJ