Question On The Excelerator Coils

[moose57]

Has anybody ever used the 4 1/2 x 7 or the 5 in..Both of these coils
are DD coils.If you have used these coils,what where your experience
and how did you like them,and which one you recomend.I do coin and
jewlery hunting in between bike racks and in other tight places where
teen agers frequent at school.Thank You for your in put,i have an
MXT PRO.

 

[FortuneFinder73]

I have the 5" DD Excelerator and I can tell you it stays on my MXT the majority of the time. I also hunt for coins and jewerly in parks, old homesites, ballfields..etc.. The difference between the 5" and the stock coil in these areas is that the 5" will seperate the good targets from the bad in those high trashy areas much better than the stock... so in other words by using the 5" it will hit alot stronger on those good targets. I can go through an area with the stock and just cherry pick and then go over the same area with the 5" and still pull out good targets that I missed with the stock. I would recommend the 5" over the 4 1/2 just because you might get a little more depth from the 5 but the trash seperation between those two coils would be minimal with just a 1/2 inch difference.... thats just IMHO

 

[sweeper60]

That coil is the worst one a person ever put a price tag on, go with the Whites version the detech coils
that I tested came up the worst and I spent over $1500 on them just so I could get to the truth
because I got fed up of all the Lies in mags and at dealers, There is a very slim chance that you will
find one that is as good as the factory coils and if you do I bet you cant do it twice or 3x in a row

 

[widebody]

[size=large]i have yet to read where anyone has found a better coil than the 5.3 concentric for small areas. i feel that if the smaller DD coils were any good you'd hear more about them. they've been out long enough for testing.
jmo

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[JohninNC]

The 5.3 is a good coil in trashy areas and has great depth too.
John

 

[sweeper60]

[size=large]i have yet to read where anyone has found a better coil than the 5.3 concentric for small areas. i feel that if the smaller DD coils were any good you'd hear more about them. they've been out long enough for testing.
jmo

HH[/size]

I agree on what you say,I have pulled coins and buttons from over 9 1/2" with the 5.3 coil and according to some Gold prospector its the best of the lot
even in the worst of gound conditions where the little DD works is in very rocky areas but apart from that the 5.3 is very hot on small gold and coins

 

[BarberBill]

I beg to respectfully differ. Whites 4X6 shooter separates even better in heavy trash than the 5.3 with the loss of some depth. I have both and really like the little shooter in the most trashy areas. However, I don't know that I'd try to talk anyone with the 5.3 into buying the 4X6 as the 5.3 is an excellent coil and performs well in the trash and definitely makes a better "leave it on most of the time" coil.
My two bits,
BB.

 

[sweeper60]

I beg to respectfully differ. Whites 4X6 shooter separates even better in heavy trash than the 5.3 with the loss of some depth. I have both and really like the little shooter in the most trashy areas. However, I don't know that I'd try to talk anyone with the 5.3 into buying the 4X6 as the 5.3 is an excellent coil and performs well in the trash and definitely makes a better "leave it on most of the time" coil.
My two bits,
BB.

As the person who wrote this review is a member here and I have spoken to him in the past via Email, I thought everyone would like to read the results of his test,
in using the 5.3 in some of the worst conditions in the world in a prospecting enviroment, Enjoy,

http://www.goldsearchaustralia.com/mxt_stories/

 

[sweeper60]

Moose57 sorry you're question still needs an ansewer, and the ansewer is yes I have used that coil and all the Guys here have mentioned other coils
instead of that coil and they are right, please dont touch that coil because you will find that Whites coils will match or better any coil that Detech/SEF make,
and any so called luck with their coils is shear luck, I have done 8 months of solid testing with them coils at 54 hours a week and I have seen no increase
in finds and in most cases they missed targets, Their detection pattern is not uniform and they could not find things that I had found with different machines
using standard coils and Detech/SEF coils on Whites and MineLab Machines, When I phoned Minelab in Australia I asked them if they had given Detech
the Tune up specs so they could make the coils to suit Minelab machines and they said they did NOT give them any info on their machines What so ever.
Most important thing to remember is many adverts say 3 years in the making, THIS means that they had such a hard job making them work and match
these detectors Output, The SEF coils are good for stoping your detector from tipping over but thats IT.
If you are in the US then buy any of the US branded coils or stay with the Whites coils you wont have the regretes that I had when I first bought my first Detech coil.
so for my tests I bought 4 1/2x7", 10x12" 15x18" and the 14" round Detech also the 6" round Detech and the 12" Detech,
After I had finished doing these tests the coils I used I gave the coils away and after a while I spoke to the person I gave them to and he told me he found
the same results as I did and he also gave them away,

I hope this saves you some money and helps you with your choices

 

[Larry (IL)]

Lordy, Lordy Sweeper............ you must be Ken White with an alias or you really have it in for Detech. 8 months of testing @ 54 hours a week is one heck of a lot of testing, what do you do in your spare time?.....

I have worked with White's new product development and the Manager of Engineering, Carl and I have both experimented with the Excelerator coils as well as the White's coils. They are all good coils and do their job, and in some instances, the Detech's performed better and sometimes they performed worse. Although I have every reason to be biased towards White's, I'm well known for stating my opinion backed by my 30 years experience in the field.

The 5.3 might be the best coil for your use in the goldfields down under but as we all know "results will vary", sometimes greatly. I encourage everyone to do their own testing and use the detector and coils that works best for them in their ground. There are a lot of very satisfied Detech users here in the U.S.

 

[sweeper60]

G'Day Larry, the thing I took to heart was the write ups and what the dealers claimed. The bottom line with these coils If I'm honest
Is that you can not fine tune or specialize with your machine and all my test pieces that I found with my Minelab and Whites machines
I could not get a signal when they were waved in front of my machines or when the test piece's were placed on the coil and moved across
the surface, the most obvious thing was they are not as sensitive at the front as they are at the back,
If I was going to buy coils for a minelab them I would only use coiltek, as they do have the tune up specs from Minelab as they use to make
all Minelabs coils before they were made in house, I also tested 3 of their coils at the same time as the others and they did do what was claimed,
I spent over $1600.00 just on coils all at once because I needed to do the tests side by side, One thing that I did notice was depth and signals
were better late afternoon.

After that within 6 month or less I changed all my machines to Whites as they are One of the few machines that can work well in the enviroment
that I work in, and they provide the best overall performance and they have a coil to suit every situation,

And If this does ruffle anyones feathers then I'm sorry, but I listerned to the people and it cost me many $0000s and I dont want to see anyone
get burned like I did when you trust people and get taken for a ride.

When I bought the first coil I just did'nt see any differance apart from I had to turn my Gain down and I kept asking the shop about this and also
i told them what my findings where and I kept getting snowballed, so i a fit of fustration I bought all the others and started testing,

I have no doubt that these coils work but not as claimed by the media or fancy sales pitch and not as well as Original equipment or as well as
accessory coils made by the detector companies them selves.
One thing we all forget when we buy machines with all singing all dancing gizmo's and we tend to forget to buy Machines that work in the areas that we hunt in
and that is always a problem and should be one of the first questions we ask when buying a new machine,

Anyway folks thanks for your time and again I'm sorry if my post has offended anyone. This was not my intent.

John

 

[moose57]

Thanks to everyone who gave me some really good information on the detec coils.I have a 5.3,and a 6x10dd coil and I also just purchased a 4 1/2 x 7 coil
I hope I did not just waste my green stamps..

 

[sweeper60]

Moose57, I hope all goes well for you,

Heres a test that you can all use to test your coils sensitivity no matter what the brand and its something to during winter when you cant get out,
or even if you just want to play around now,

Cut a square of Tin/Aluminium foil, one, 1/2" and stick it on a wooden or plastic ruler, then a square of 3/8" or 10mm, then 1/4" or 6mm,
then 1/8" or 3mm, and keep going smaller each time, it's great for nugget shooters to work out their most sensitive coils this way and the pattern via an air test
Now as you get down to the smaller pieces you will end up have to lay them on your coils and slide them across the surface of the coils,
you will then see where the coils hot spots are and if you can pick up the smaller ones in an air test between 1 to 2" then you have a great detector/coil setup
If you have a detector/coil setup that can do it 3 to 4" on 3/8 and 1/2" piece then you have a good set up,

I never knew of this test when I tested my coils, I did'nt find it till a year and a half later
so anyway it would be great to hear from some of you to see how you got on,thanks for your time,

John

 

[gregp]

I just thought i'd throw my 2 cent opinion into the fray. I have a standard 950 coil and also the 10x12 SEF coil. Mabey here in Alaska the soil is different but my sef is an excellant coil that works very well. I would not trade it or give it away. It also works well to keep the detector from tipping over.LOL

 

[sweeper60]

I just thought i'd throw my 2 cent opinion into the fray. I have a standard 950 coil and also the 10x12 SEF coil. Mabey here in Alaska the soil is different but my sef is an excellant coil that works very well. I would not trade it or give it away. It also works well to keep the detector from tipping over.LOL

Thats Right Gregp, they or any DD type coil will work well in most parts of Alaska because of the Higher mineralization where the 950 is a concentric coil,
It does'nt like high mineralization, My Views are based on very accurite and constant testing, there's no doubt that they work but as I said before when I tested
the Pattern of these coils it was not uniform and a few of them were not as sensitive as others, If it works for you then thats great, I just got the Lemons in the batch/s
My 10x12 could not match the STD 10" BBS Minelab coil in depth or sensitivity, nor could the 6" round Detech match the sensitivity of the STD coil,
If you get yourself some lead shot about 1/16" or even better a piece about an 1/8th of the size if a matchstick head and try that,
The reason I say that small is it needs to be tiny so you can check the sensitivity and the detection pattern of the coil,

thanks for your in put

John

 

[gregp]

Your sarcasm is not needed. ( I just got the Lemons in the batch/s) . You seem to be pretty sensitive yourself so I'll keep my comments to myself from now on. I will try the piece of lead just for fun anyway. Greg

 

[richigold]

gregp................why so mad???? who is sarcastic???

 

[sweeper60]

Your sarcasm is not needed. ( I just got the Lemons in the batch/s) . You seem to be pretty sensitive yourself so I'll keep my comments to myself from now on. I will try the piece of lead just for fun anyway. Greg

Gregp, I'm sorry if you took my comment as sarcasm, ( I just got the Lemons in the batch/s) This was ment as a referance not a put down and I thought it was better than using any four
letter crudeness
We all have bought things that have had something wrong with them and had to send them back, Even with the MXTs I see here that a few folks have had to send them back,
Some folks have had cars that have had to be recalled to have some thing corrected, washing machines,TVs, Air conitioners, I even had a Rolex that had to go back 3 times in 4 weeks,
Back to the MXTs I think they are the best Detector ever and I read reviews where people complain about them yet I have 2 and yet I see no need for any other machines because they
work anywhere in the world at any task and I have never had a problem, and they have tripled my finds rate, when i first got it I found more in 9 days than i had in 5 1/2 yrs,
Other folks hate them with avengance,

The point of this post is to show you that there is good and bad in everything, I think it is best to try them before you spend all your hard earned money as you would a car ETC..
I have test pieces that I take to the store when I buy detector coils or detectors and if they dont work on those then I dont buy them.

Gregp, If yours is what you expected then I'm pleased for you. Take care and good luck

John

 

[dazmond66]

So what does all the above amount to now Whites are endorsing detech coils ?

 

[Mxt Sniper]

I use Detech coils and find they are generally better than oe whites coils of same general coil size. Even Whites sells their new TDI with a aftermarket Miner John coil and its way better than their own TDI coils on that machine. I find the 3x6 very lacking, as well as the 6x9 I get poor performance from that one in my area. I find that nothing beats my Detech 8x6 in ghost town conditions for seperating the iron from coins. I do like the Whites 5.3 eclipse its a great performer on the MXT, and the 950 I like ok for a large coil, but I have little use for large coils on a vlf. I use the 4.5DD excellerator for nugget detecting and find that it is much better than the 3x6 for that. I can detect a 2 grain nugget to 3" with the mxt/4.5dd combo. And that is in alkali soils.

Whites offers several Detech coils in their catalog for sale. Even Whites likes them.