Question on the 6000XL Pro. Like Help Digger, or anyone that really knows this Machine.

[Tinfoil]

Does the meter neddle lock on to a target number and not move untill another target is IDed. Does it do this in all the modes GEB/Norm, GEB/SAT,GEB/DISC, and TR/DISC. If not which modes does it do it in?? Or does the neddle just swing up and then backdown to 0.
Let me try to explain what I want to do with the machine if I buy it.
I want something that has a accurate ID. I want a machine that has a no motion slow motion pinpoint ID. I think the GEB/NORM and the TR/DISC. will work for me. The ground mineralization down here is moderate to very small. Problem is the sulpher and the salt salinty down here in Southwest Louisiana. I hunt a few places that a re just loaded with Iron. I have had every detector I own in this place and only a couple of them will even come close to working. My EXP SE and MST work the best but not good enough for me. This place will make you it is so damn tough to work. The stuff is there I know it is cause I have dug it out but it is very tough to do. I just thought the TR/DISC and the GEB/NORM would work in this area. The 4 filter part of the 6000XL Pro is not going to do me any good is GEB/DISC Mode as you have to swing to fast that is what is wrong with all the rest of them except the little ID Edge and my CZ3D,CZ70. What I am saying fast sweeping won't get it here. Anyway any help will be appreciated. I leave this one to the 600XL Pro good guys. Thanks Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Kelley (Texas)]

Hello Jerry, I will try to help you, but have patience with me as I am not the greatest in explaining things.

In regards to the XL Pro 6000. The meter will lock on a good coin size target, and remain there until you lock onto another target. The deeper the target the less it will lock on a coin size target. The meter operates independently of the audio discrimination. Using the discrimination dial, you only discriminate the audio, the meter will always give a reading and I.D. the target.

While the XL Pro 6000 is a 4 filter metal detector, the coil sweep speed is only moderate fast, slower than all the other preceding 6000 series.

The GEB/NORM is a non motion all metal mode.
The GEB/SAT is also an all metal mode but requires movement because of the self adjustment threshold feature.
The GEB/DISC is a motion discrimination mode.
The TR/DISC is a non motion discrimination mode.

I hope that I am answering what you are asking. I would suggest that you go to Google and see if you can pull up the engineer report on the XL Pro, or the 6000 Di PRO SL model. I have a copy somewhere and if I can locate it, I will scan the pages and contact you through the Private Message feature for your e-mail address. Kelley (Texas)

 

[tab-nabit]

I go with what Kelly replied. The needle locks on target but will change if another target is hit right after the first. Sweep from different angles. It's been awhile since I used the 6000 but from what I can recall, the lock does a nice job most of the time. I did repeated sweeps of the target at different angles, sometimes raise the coil a bit and performed more sweeps. Takes time. Also, as soon as the trigger is squeezed, the needle will release for the pinpoint depth scale on the meter. I used the stock coil which I think was about 8" and a 4" coil for trash infested areas.
One thing I also remember about the larger coil I used was that the pinpoint was slightly off center from the true center of the coil. I just placed a mark on the top of the coil. This does not mean that all coils are like this, just coils of the same make/models may have differences in magnetic centering. This only would apply if minimal damage to a lawn is of concern.
I also remember after a few years use, it seems like there is some kind of a relation of the sweep speed and listening to the tone in regards to chatter, and also how the tone ramped up, the duration, and the ramp down.
Anyway, I don't know if any of this makes any sense but thought I would throw my 2 cents worth out there. I always liked the 6000 series and the Compass machines back then.

 

[Tinfoil]

I know all the tricks to hunting in the Iron I just wanted to know how the XL Pro will do in the iron. Motion mode whether it be all metal or dis just ain't going to hack it in this bad stuff. If you can imagine dum de dum chirp, dum dum chirp, de dum chirp, about as fast as you can say it, that is what it is like. I am just hoping this GEB/Norm and The TR/DISC no motion mode is going to do it for me. Anybody else got any Ideas out there other then dig it all up I am all ears. The stuff I have dug out of this place will knock your eyes out. Last two nice ones were a 1909s vdb that I sold for $700 and a 1914D I just got back from ANACS EF40 that is going to be gone This Thursday for $500. Some really nice old CW Silver too. So this spot is worth the trouble. Later and all help with the 6000 XL Pro will be appreciated. It won't take me long to fugue out the machine just thought some of you guys that hunt a lot of Iron and trash can give me some ideas on what to expect from this machine. : : Later Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Digger]

Jerry, the responses from Kelley and DirtRob were both very good. However, I would like to add a couple things. First of all, congratulations on buying what I consider to be the best discrimination detector ever made. Bar none!!! Not always the first one I grab, depending on the site. But it is the one I always reach for when I am hunting in an area with lots of modern trash. I use the 5.3 coil about 90% of the time. It is my go to coil for most of the old sites I hunt. Not only is the separation characteristics better than the 950 or the 800, it will hunt nearly as deep. And, regardless of what some folks think about "deeper is better", I honestly believe that there are more old coins waiting out there for me due to being masked instead of too deep for the last guy who hunted that site. When I get in a real trashy area, and want the ultimate separator, I hook up the 3.5 Snooper. It doesn't cover much turf, and don't have impressive depth. But it will get in between trash better than any other coil I have used. Now, let me give you my responses to your questions.

Does the meter neddle lock on to a target number and not move untill another target is IDed. YES, The exception is when you hit a questionable target in the GEB/DISC mode. If you pull the trigger to pinpoint the target, pay close attention to the needle. If it makes a slight deflection to the left, it is likely a piece of borderline trash. To the casual observer, it may appear to be locked on an IH cent or something in that area. But, if it makes an ever so slight deflection to the left with the trigger pulled (making it temporarily in GEB/NORM), it will likely be trash and not that old Indian.

Does it do this (lock on)in all the modes GEB/Norm, GEB/SAT,GEB/DISC, and TR/DISC. YES. However, there is another exception. When I am hunting in an extremely trashy area, like the one you describe, I like to hunt with the Snooper coil running in TR/DISC. As you indicated, the TR/DISC mode is a non-motion mode. I know up front that this combiination will not get me more than a couple inches of depth. So, it is not a combination I use very often. What I have found is that even a silver dime will make the needle waffle a little bit. Especially if you are just barely moving the coil. So, my advice is to go with the indication given when the audio is consistent and the needle maxes out.

Let me try to explain what I want to do with the machine if I buy it.
I want something that has a accurate ID. You are getting one of the best. I want a machine that has a no motion slow motion pinpoint ID. I think the GEB/NORM and the TR/DISC. will work for me. That is correct. But if the area has trash, I'd stay away from the GEB/NORM mode as it is all-metal. Also, keep in mind that when you pull the pinpoint trigger, it changes the mode that you are running in. For example, if you are in running in either GEB/DISC or TR/DISC, pulling the trigger temporarily switches the detector to GEB/NORM. If you are running in GEB/NORM, pulling the trigger puts you into GEB/DISC. The ground mineralization down here is moderate to very small. Problem is the sulpher and the salt salinty down here in Southwest Louisiana. I hunt a few places that a re just loaded with Iron. I have had every detector I own in this place and only a couple of them will even come close to working. My EXP SE and MST work the best but not good enough for me. This place will make you it is so damn tough to work. The stuff is there I know it is cause I have dug it out but it is very tough to do. I just thought the TR/DISC and the GEB/NORM would work in this area. The 4 filter part of the 6000XL Pro is not going to do me any good is GEB/DISC Mode as you have to swing to fast that is correct. The GEB/DISC mode is a motion mode. And, if you slow down the coil very much, you will not detect the targets. In fact, in wide open areas, the faster you sweep it the deeper it hunts. that is what is wrong with all the rest of them except the little ID Edge and my CZ3D,CZ70. What I am saying fast sweeping won't get it here. Anyway any help will be appreciated. I leave this one to the 600XL Pro good guys. Thanks Jerry aka Tinfoil

If the XLPRo don't work to your satisfaction, you might try a Sovereign GT or maybe a Golden uMax. I like the 5-inch coil on a Sovereign and the 5.75 coil on my Golden. Both of these detectors hunt slower than I like to hunt. But like you said, sometimes that is what it takes. Both work well for me on sites infested with old square cut nails. The GT is an excellent machine, offering variable discrimination, notches, tones and super slow sweep speeds. Just be aware that it is extremely slow to reset between targets and you can pass up the good stuff if you aren't listening close to the nulling sound. With the Golden, the 4-tones allow me to hunt with audio discrimination. The 120 circuitry is very good in iron ground. And variable discrimination and variable notches allow me to shut out the borderline targets that I don't want to mess with. It has fixed GB, and is not a depth monster, by any means. But like I said, I think separation and target isolation is the key. HH Randy

 

[Kelley (Texas)]

Like you, I use the Blue Max 600 (5.3 coil) most of the time because the white color is easier to see in dim light. I seldom use the original 9.5 coil, but elect to use the 8" coil more. I only use the 9.5 coil when I need to cover some ground when time is limited.

On my XL Pro, when I use a smaller coil, it affects the number readings, it will read at a slightly lower number than it does with the 9.5 coil. Also, I assume that everyone is aware that the depth reading is calibrated for the 9.5 coil, and using smaller coils will cause the depth reading to not be correct.

I have always been of the opinion that most coins are found at a depth of 6 or 7" or less, even old coins, well within the reach of the 6000 XL Pro. Kelley (Texas)

 

[Digger]

You are correct that, generally, different sized coils will provide a bit different readings. And I agree that the XLPro meter is tuned to the 950 stock coil. But, I have even found that my Bullseye 5.3 reads a bit different than the BlackMax 5.3. Although I find the discrimination circuitry of the XLPro to be top-notch, I still don't rely on meter readings to determine when to dig. I run my discrimination at a level that accepts my gold ring and nickels. And dig all the signals that meet my consistency requirements. Consistent location, consistent sound and consistent meter reading. The nice part about the XLPro is that it provides two separate discrimination indicators. By that I mean, even when a target is rejected and does not provide an audio response, it still provides visual indication on the meter. Nice feature. HH Randy

 

[Tinfoil]

Randy I just had to send my Golden MM back to Tesoro for them to fix as they didn't fix it right when I got it back. They put a new PIC in it and it had a bad stock coil. However the tones are not calibrated right. The tones stay the same at the limits of depth of the last coin and don't change to a different tone when you switch coins. It stays the same till you get back in at about 6"s then it will change to the right tone sometimes not all the time. I always used the 4" coil on mine as I have had the little detector over 5 years and love it. Anyway I am not a happy camper since I have to send it back to get re-fixed as they didn't finish the job. I quite sure they will get it right though. They have always done a great job on my detectors if they ever got messed up.
I still don't understand the switching of the different modes when you either lock the trigger or pull it. I read that but, it is not sinking in. I understand it goes into pinpoint and you get a depth reading. That part I understand. The switching I don't get, since you are reading the depth of the target on the meter no mater what mode you are in. ????? What and how is switching the modes when you go to pinpoint going to benefit me. I am not understanding the significance of this. Could you explain it for me. I got to be missing something here. Thanks guys I really appreciate the help and you can bet it is all helpful to me. : : .Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Hunt4Fun]

Jerry, I yield to others that have more experience with the XL Pro to answer your questions about that machine.

The reason I am posting is because I recently hunted a site that was completely infested with iron trash like the site you describe. The ground mineralization at the site was very mild. It read 40 on my MXT. The difference is that the area is high alkali desert, not like Southwest Louisiana. Let me say again the area was absolutely infested with both solid and rusting iron and steel items such as nails, screws, nuts and bolts, wire, etc.

I used four detectors on the site. They were an MXT, an XL Pro, an IDX, and a Mr. Bill modified IDX Pro. I really like my XL Pro but it did not do well at this site using GEB DISC mode, didn't try other modes. The MXT is a slow motion detector but it only did slightly better. The IDX did a lot better than the XL Pro or the MXT. The detector that did the best and was actually easy to use at this site was the Mr. Bill modified IDX Pro.

Good luck with your difficult sites.
Bob

 

[Digger]

Jerry, Not being an electronic engineer, I can only guess that it is an FM circuit. Freakin Magic!!!
I seldom use the pinpoint mode or the depth indication on any of my detectors. I prefer to X over the targets from various directions and dig a hole in the middle. Once I remove a plug, I check both the plug and the hole to see where I need to do more work. If it isn't in the plug, I simply dig a deeper hole.
The reason I switch modes is not for the pinpointing capabilities. I switch mine from GEB/DISC to GEB/NORM by pulling the trigger so the detector goes into the non-motion all metal mode. By being in the non-motion mode, I can better separate the targets, and determine if there are two or more adjacent targets. Remember, the meter will lock on to one target until another target passes under the coil. Then it will indicate that new target. I'm not an electronic engineer. Just a guy who enjoys detecting and trying different combinations, hoping to come up with one that works well at a particular site.
As to the depth you might expect from the 5.3 coil..... I doubt you will be able to get that 8-inches you are looking for. At least mine won't do that in my soil conditions. I feel confident that I am hitting the targets 6 or 7 inches or less. But hitting those a 8-inches consistently with the 5.3 coil is a stretch, in my opinion. I know several guys use the Royal 800 or BlueMax 800 with good reports. Honestly, I can't see much improvement in depth with the 800 compared to my 5.3. And, for the weight and balance, I just as well use the stock 950.

Detecting coins at depths of 8 inches with a small coil is going to be a challenge for any make or model. Especially with an area littered with targets you don't want to dig. Theoretically, the smaller the coil, the more separation it provides. Inversely, the larger the coil, the deeper it will go. So, the situation you have at hand is going to be tough to solve. Although the XLPro is an excellent detector, and has one of the best discrimination circuits ever made, it won't do well with a slow sweep. And, I doubt it will go deep enough for you using the smaller than stock coils.

 

[duggr]

Tin Foil
let me say first off that I have a XL Pro on the way for myself.

Maybe you can find someone near you that has a Compass Gold Scanner pro and see how it works
Get a Compass that has the varifilter.(Goldscanner Pro) I'll tell you that in the discriminate mode a nervous twitch will set these detectors off. They I.D. in the all-metal mode and are Very Quiet over Soil laden with iron in the discriminate mode.I got the Gold Scanner Pro just for my old homesteads that have an average of 3-5 iron targets per square foot.I would use the 3-1/2" Nugget Coil or the 6" coil and try Both Modes to see what might work.
Heres a breakdown on the GoldScanner Pro. Varifilter technology that you can read about in the post below. Power Level knob is for "BOTH" the Discriminate and the All-Metal Modes. Any change in the power level
requires a RE_Ground Balance. G.B. Control is a 10-Turn Wire wound
Pot for precision G.B. adjustments.Discriminate knob is adjustable from All-Metal,Salt adjustment on up.Threshold control with a Auto Tune selectable switch for maintaining a steady threshold in high mineralization.Target I.D. and depth reading.

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Tinfoil]

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[Tinfoil]

When you want to pinpoint you just pull the trigger and hold it and it will pinpoint. The manual don't say to do that but will reread it again. Naw that ain't right. Hell how do you change modes. When you pull and hold the trigger you get the depth reading or push it to lock you get the depth reading. Does this thing have a VCO Pinpoint????. See you don't know what you got yourself into do you. :bouncy; . OK your turn. Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Digger]

locking the trigger forward. And, when you do either one, it temporarily changes the mode of operation. Once you release the trigger and it goes back to the middle position, it returns to the mode that the knob is set on. For example, if you are hunting in GEB/DISC mode when the trigger is in the neutral or center position, it is a motion detector and uses VLF discrimination circuitry. When you either pull the trigger and hold it, or lock the trigger forward, it temporarily changes the XLPro to be in the GEB/NORM mode, which is a non-motion, all metal mode. The meter needle will indicate the probable identification of your target when you are operating in any mode, with the trigger in the neutral (center) position. However, when you pull the trigger and hold it, or lock it into that forward position, the needle indicates the target depth. The shallowest depth measurement will be indicated by the strongest reading, or the furthest meter movement to the right. Once you release the target or return it to the neutral position, it again provides target ID. The needle on the meter and the audio provided by the XLPro operate separately from each other. In other words, they won't always agree. And, I use both to help me separate the trash from the treasure. I typically hunt in GEB/DISC and I set my discrimination control to accept my gold ring and nickels. When I get a target that is consistent in location and provides consistent audio sound, I check the meter to see if it is "pegging out" at the same point on each pass of the coil. If it is, then I pull and hold the trigger, which temporarily puts the XLPro into the GEB/NORM mode. Remember, the detector is now in a non-motion mode, which allows me to pass over the target much more slowly, helping me pinpoint and determine approximate depth. BUT, I have also found that, while in this temporary GEB/NORM mode, I can learn more about the target. What I have noticed is that, with a good target, the audio sound is not quite as broad of signal as it is in the GEB/DISC mode. And, if it is good, the needle will lock on solid. IF it is a target that is trash, the audio signal will be broader in the GEB/NORM mode and the needle will make a slight deflection to the left when I pass directly over the target.
Here is a scenerio, I am hunting in GEB/DISC and get a hit. I pass the coil back and forth over the target and the needle locks on at a dime. While Xing over the target, I get a pretty good idea as to where it is located by the audio sound being loudest at that point. Now I pull the trigger, temporarily switching over to GEB/NORM mode. I once again sweep back and forth over the target. I compare the sound the detector is making now, as to how the audio sounded in the GEB/DISC mode. IF the width of the sound is the same, or is now narrower, I almost bet it is a coin. By width of sound, I mean how long the tone lasts while I pass over the target. IF the width of the audio is wider (lasts longer) in GEB/NORM mode, I would bet it is NOT a coin. In addition, I take a look at the meter while Xing over the target in GEB/NORM. If the needle stays locked on, and does not fluctuate in any manner, it will likely be a coin. If, however, I notice a slight deflection to the left, after it has pegged out, it will not be a coin. I know that isn't written in any book. But that is one of the things I look for when I am coin shooting with my XLPro.

Sorry to sound so confusing. But, it is tough to explain. I suggest you set up your detector and pass some targets under the coil. Listen for the different widths of tone created by coins, compared to trash. Particularly when you pull the trigger and compare the sound of the same target between the two modes. Better yet, if you aren't doing anything in a couple months, come on up to Iowa. We'll hit a few spots and I'm sure we could get this all straightened out. HH Randy

 

[Tinfoil]

Your next to last paragraph threw me on the 5th line up when you said " In addition I take a look at the meter while Xing over the target in GEB/NORM". I think you meant GEB/DISC as when you have the trigger pulled or pushed,yes you are in GEB/NORM (audio only) but the needle is reading the depth of the target. Did you mean the slight deflection of the needle reading your depth of the target in GEB/NORM or the slight deflection of the needle of the target ID of the GEB/DISC mode. Anyway I am pretty sure I got it finely. Now I got to figure out that advanced TR/DISC on page 28 setting and what would work for me and if it will work but won't know till I get it and try it in my dirt. I can see where Both GEB/DISC trigger pulled to get GEB/NORM (audio only) can help separate, then just release the trigger and I am back to the needle target ID of GEB/DISC. Then I can see where GEB/Norm then trigger pulled to GEB/DISC will help with Disc. of the target without having to look at the meter all the time to get rid of the low end targets. I think this machine is really going to be fun to play around with especially having 4 meter target ID modes. Thanks to all the guys for there help and especially you Randy. You just don't know how much I appreciate it . : : . I tried to find that engineering report on the 6000 XL Pro but no luck. Maybe Kelly has it somewhere and will e-mail it to me. Later and thanks again Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Kelley (Texas)]

which includes the 6000 Di Pro SL which is the model just prior to the XL Pro. Most of the information is the same on both models and should be helpful as per se. Sometime tomorrow, I will scan it and send you a copy. Please send me a PM with your e-mail address. Kelley (Texas)

 

[Tinfoil]

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[Hunt4Fun]

Hi Jerry,

I know you were not asking about Signal Balance and Ground Balance in this post. However, I found them the most confusing settings when I first started with the XL Pro. The manual said do this and do that but it never seemed to explain what the end objective was. The adjustment methods did not make sense to me. Then I found a forum entry about Signal Balance and Ground Balance written by Monte. Monte's explanation about how to set the adjustments made sense and he explained how test to see if the adjustments were set properly.

Here is a copy of the post from Monte. Hope it helps you.



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[Tinfoil]

Anyway thanks to you all : : Jerry Aka Tinfoil