Larry (IL)
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If Bryce had a dollar for everyone he has helped over the years, he could retire.......
Thanks Bryce.
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Question on explorer's
- Thread starter John1 S
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JAN1
Active member
Glad to hear that I am not the only one that doesn't rate the SE.
After reading lots of articles on detectors looking for a spare machine I believed all the hype, after two years and many hours in fields and beaches I have yet to find anything much.
I have tried loads of different settings and bought Andy's book to no avail.
After reading lots of articles on detectors looking for a spare machine I believed all the hype, after two years and many hours in fields and beaches I have yet to find anything much.
I have tried loads of different settings and bought Andy's book to no avail.
Big Fang Coin Biter
New member
Brice that is exactly what I do with my Explorer II. The SE I had did not work that way at all. It would give me the good tone all the way around a target - dig it up and it was iron... When I got tired after hunting hours, I would start passing up the deep good signals since the percentage of good finds from that signal was so low (what a thing to do!). Oh well, glad I went back to what works for me. Now once the snow melts I can do some digging again.
Thanks and HH - Robin
Did you ever see that barber I found with the two square nails in the same hole? It was one of those too good sounding one-way hits (nulled at 90 deg.). Check it out, the small nail chunk was in the front of the hole at about 3" the dime was in the center at about 4-5" and the large nail was in the back of the hole at about 7". I was shocked with these finds (using the XS my first Explorer).
Thanks and HH - Robin
Did you ever see that barber I found with the two square nails in the same hole? It was one of those too good sounding one-way hits (nulled at 90 deg.). Check it out, the small nail chunk was in the front of the hole at about 3" the dime was in the center at about 4-5" and the large nail was in the back of the hole at about 7". I was shocked with these finds (using the XS my first Explorer).
I have a few more...but have to open up the gym this morning in a few minutes...so it's off to work I go.
To be honest...at least once every couple of hunts the SE finds me a coin hinding in iron simlilar to what the links show....and by using the exact "dig or don't dig" method we both described.
Take care...and good luck in 2012.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1425527,1425527#msg-1425527
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1635113,1635113#msg-1635113
To be honest...at least once every couple of hunts the SE finds me a coin hinding in iron simlilar to what the links show....and by using the exact "dig or don't dig" method we both described.
Take care...and good luck in 2012.
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1425527,1425527#msg-1425527
http://www.findmall.com/read.php?19,1635113,1635113#msg-1635113
deeponedge
New member
This is a great thread with some great information.
EladSwerdna
New member
What many people fail to grasp is that it's not just about what machine you use or how you use it.... location and luck play a huge role in being a successful dirt fisher.
I switched from an E-Trac to the SE Pro. (financial reasons forced me to sell E-Trac, got the SE because it's cheaper)
I have been using an SE Pro for 2 months now, and so far I have found:
Do I miss the E-Trac? Yes, but only because I feel like have masted it. The SE Pro is a great machine, and continues to impress me. If I had a chance I would go back to an E-Trac, but I am very happy with the SE.
I switched from an E-Trac to the SE Pro. (financial reasons forced me to sell E-Trac, got the SE because it's cheaper)
I have been using an SE Pro for 2 months now, and so far I have found:
- 9 Indian Head Pennies
- 1 Barber dime
- 1 walking liberty half
- a 1791 duit
- a 1775 KGIII
- a 1797 half real
- loads of buttons, including one blowhole and 2 military
- random silver, to include a spoon, washington quarter, and brooch
- a box full of random relics
Do I miss the E-Trac? Yes, but only because I feel like have masted it. The SE Pro is a great machine, and continues to impress me. If I had a chance I would go back to an E-Trac, but I am very happy with the SE.
sgoss66
Well-known member
Bryce and Big Fang --
I read your posts here with great interest, the ones related to differentiating the partially-masked coins (deep coins next to nails), vs. deep nails "falsing," but with no coin.
I have finally gotten good at telling the difference between a pure false and a pure coin, BUT -- I have NOT gotten good at picking out the coins FROM AMONGST the iron (i.e. what is a "good-sounding" false, vs. what is a nail/coin that is "acting much like" a false).
What I mean is, I know what "falses" sound like, in general. BUT -- every time I try to dig a "more-than-likely-to-be iron false" sound, thinking it sounds JUST GOOD ENOUGH to maybe be a coin, it is --100% of the time, for me -- a NAIL (usually, a bent one).
So, I have to agree with Fang on this one...chasing deep "iffies," mixed with nulls, for me -- results in nails.
Bryce, your method you described matches almost exactly what I do -- i.e. passing right over the obvious falses, investigating for a couple of seconds the "slightly better sounding" falses, until they become obvious falses, and then I walk, but then, on the REALLY intriguing "iffies," doing the 360 degree turn around the target, with the "Minelab wiggle," listening for repeatability and consistency. Now, when doing this, you say that if it repeats a good, consistent sound for you from 2 of 4 directions, you dig. For me, if it repeats from two of four directions, I DON'T dig, especially if those "two directions" are directly opposite sides of the "compass" from each other (i.e. the "repeats" are north and south, and the "nulls" are east and west, or vice versa). I DON'T dig these, as, again, 100% of the time, these have been nails, for me. IF it repeats from 3 of 4 directions, and IF there is not a consistent null in that one "bad" direction, then I will dig, and have had some success doing so, on occasion. But if it nulls consistently in one or more directions, I have never had it be a coin. Ever. Also, I have tried those hits that repeat from only one direction, but sound REALLY GOOD from that one direction (again, as long as there are not "nulls" from the other directions), and again, 100% of the time, nail. So, while it would be easy to conclude that I have learned to do a great job of "not digging" nails, the problem of course is that I also never dig those coin/nail combined targets!
I KNOW that if I want to hit a "masked" coin, that I WILL have to dig hits that null in at least one direction; I fully expect that this is what a co-located coin/nail will do. BUT, as of yet, I haven't been able to have any success at all, doing so, which tells me I'm digging the WRONG "iffies," and not hearing the subtleties that I need to hear which hint that a coin/nail may be a bit higher probability, vs. just a bent rusty nail.
One question -- are you doing this technique, Bryce, with the 10x12 SEF, and NOT the Pro coil? That could be some of the difference (I use the Pro coil), and if so, that's enough reason for me to consider the 10x12 SEF. Fang -- I assume your "inability" to succed with the SE Pro was with the Pro coil? I know, Bryce, that you have said you like the SEF "much better in iron;" is this maybe what you are referring to exactly, where the difference lies between the two -- in separating the "PURE" nail falses, from the nail/coin targets?
Thanks,
Steve
I read your posts here with great interest, the ones related to differentiating the partially-masked coins (deep coins next to nails), vs. deep nails "falsing," but with no coin.
I have finally gotten good at telling the difference between a pure false and a pure coin, BUT -- I have NOT gotten good at picking out the coins FROM AMONGST the iron (i.e. what is a "good-sounding" false, vs. what is a nail/coin that is "acting much like" a false).
What I mean is, I know what "falses" sound like, in general. BUT -- every time I try to dig a "more-than-likely-to-be iron false" sound, thinking it sounds JUST GOOD ENOUGH to maybe be a coin, it is --100% of the time, for me -- a NAIL (usually, a bent one).
So, I have to agree with Fang on this one...chasing deep "iffies," mixed with nulls, for me -- results in nails.
Bryce, your method you described matches almost exactly what I do -- i.e. passing right over the obvious falses, investigating for a couple of seconds the "slightly better sounding" falses, until they become obvious falses, and then I walk, but then, on the REALLY intriguing "iffies," doing the 360 degree turn around the target, with the "Minelab wiggle," listening for repeatability and consistency. Now, when doing this, you say that if it repeats a good, consistent sound for you from 2 of 4 directions, you dig. For me, if it repeats from two of four directions, I DON'T dig, especially if those "two directions" are directly opposite sides of the "compass" from each other (i.e. the "repeats" are north and south, and the "nulls" are east and west, or vice versa). I DON'T dig these, as, again, 100% of the time, these have been nails, for me. IF it repeats from 3 of 4 directions, and IF there is not a consistent null in that one "bad" direction, then I will dig, and have had some success doing so, on occasion. But if it nulls consistently in one or more directions, I have never had it be a coin. Ever. Also, I have tried those hits that repeat from only one direction, but sound REALLY GOOD from that one direction (again, as long as there are not "nulls" from the other directions), and again, 100% of the time, nail. So, while it would be easy to conclude that I have learned to do a great job of "not digging" nails, the problem of course is that I also never dig those coin/nail combined targets!
I KNOW that if I want to hit a "masked" coin, that I WILL have to dig hits that null in at least one direction; I fully expect that this is what a co-located coin/nail will do. BUT, as of yet, I haven't been able to have any success at all, doing so, which tells me I'm digging the WRONG "iffies," and not hearing the subtleties that I need to hear which hint that a coin/nail may be a bit higher probability, vs. just a bent rusty nail.
One question -- are you doing this technique, Bryce, with the 10x12 SEF, and NOT the Pro coil? That could be some of the difference (I use the Pro coil), and if so, that's enough reason for me to consider the 10x12 SEF. Fang -- I assume your "inability" to succed with the SE Pro was with the Pro coil? I know, Bryce, that you have said you like the SEF "much better in iron;" is this maybe what you are referring to exactly, where the difference lies between the two -- in separating the "PURE" nail falses, from the nail/coin targets?
Thanks,
Steve
Orlensin-FL
New member
I think they are all great units mate. There are obviously some differences as has been pointed out but this is a great bunch of informaton in this post.