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Question of ultra-deep target responces with the E-Trac.

Ray-Mo.

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Hello everyone and I am doing quite well.I have just been very busy the last 3 months and have not had time to hunt but that will soon change.If we dont get an early freeze up I am going to do some hunting in my totaly saturated local soils.I am also going to Savannah, GA for a few days this Thanksgiving and will give the E-Trac a workout down there if all goes well.

Now to answer a question posed a while back by digitrich,yes I have found that ultra deep coins give a warble or what I call a mottled or slightly broken/spongy signal.Once you get on to this type signal and realize it could very well be a deep coin instead of iron your old coin count will go way up,at least it did for me.I discovered this early on when I was hunting a old long gone park in a private pasture where I was comfortable digging a lot of iffy targets with a nice sharp relic shovel and many oversized plugs.

It is more pronounced on deep Indians/coppers than silver but does it as well on silver.I think the less than text book perfect signal is why a lot of folks are having trouble getting the extra deep coins and the Indians for sure.Also another important thing is to not get to dependant on the ID numbers as they are nice but only part of the info your machine sends to your brain to be processed.Get the best ear phones you can afford and learn all the various tones,sounds,lack of sounds and many combinations thereof.

I posted a number of times early on about how much your ability with the E-Trac could/ would improve if you could get an old site with deep targets that was private and the digging of a lot of deep larger than normal holes would be acceptable.Doing this is the only really good way I know of to learn what your machine is saying on those ultra deep sometimes broken up signals.

I learned more the first 2 hours testing this way than many days spent hunting previously.Will you dig more junk going for these almost ghostly targets/signals? Yes and most definitely YES but your older better coin count will also go up and for me that is what detecting is all about.Old coins and rellics are what excite me and not just the valluable ones as I love to dig those old crusty Indians as well.

I am far from an expert but have had good success with my E-Trac that far surpasses any of the previous top line units I put hundreds of hours on.One more very important point I want to mention as well.Even though I have gotten good depth with my E-Trac I feel where it outshines all other machines i have used is in it's phenominal ability to pull a great many coins at moderate depths out of some of the most trashy heavily hunted public parks and similar sites for me.

I have actually marked off several extremely iron infested 20' x 20' plots and went over them from several different angles/directions with multiple size coils on the F75,CZ3D,Explorer 11,SE Pro , Vision and then went over them with the E-Trac and got several good targets that I assume were to heavily masked for the previous machines.I did these tests as fairly as I know how and was using a high quality all metal Uniprobe PI pocket probe to pinpoint with.That in itself was a great eye opener as I could tell just how many iron/trash targets were in close proxemity to the desireable target and recover them as well.

I guess what I am saying besides the obvious fact that I am sold on the E-Tacs abilities is that if you want to get the best out of any top end machine you need to do your homework with the manual and online info and then you must do extensive infield trials and tests at actual sites you plan to hunt.After that you must put in many,many hours at those same sites honing your skills on said machine and stick with it.I feel that most people are not going to have the time or patience (myself included) to really master several machines so we need to stick with one or 2 at most to truly master them to the best of our abilities.

I only posted this to be of possible help to those who want to find more goodies and for no other reason as I do not sell any brand of machine and never have.My passion for detecting is all about finding the older coins and relics that may be lost at any given site,Ray.
 
with those deep targets is that they are good only if there is no nulling associated with them. I have yet to have a broken deep signal with any nulling that has turned out to be good. Unfortunately, I dont get too many deep signals to begin with. Whats your experience Ray??? Have any deepies that associated with a null that were good (not including collocated targets)?
 
I have not had good deep targets to null although I have found a great many in solid nulls.I guess what I am trying to say is the target responce will deteriate on the deepest targets so as not to sound like the medium depth signals that just scream coin to your ears.The deepest coins will get kinda fuzzy sounding and will be dismissed as trash if you are not very carefull to learn what they sound like by digging some very deep lower quality sounding targets.I went over a lot of extra deep indians at one old private site the first couple of times I hunted it.I was finding a lot of nice older coins as the site qhit being used in the 1920s and became a cow pasture.About the third or fourth time I went back and the good sounding targets were about all gone I started digging what I had thought to be very iffy signals and discovered what I stated in the original post about weak/broken,faded,hollow sounding signals.It is hard to explain untill you dig a few of them and it will open your ears to a new deeper layer of good targets in many sites.It is easy to get use to those booming loud solid signals that are so good and not pay any attention to the faint raspier signals that may very well be a good target at the outside edge of the E-Tracs depth range.One other thing is those signals I am talking about are repeatable from all directions most of the time as they are in a cleen spot not being masked at all.I have not found these extra deep targets i describe in trashy places,Ray.
 
OK, so you are saying that the really deep coins, are a hollow, broken, fuzzy signals which are repeatable from all directions, don't show up on the target ID as expected, and are only found in clean areas. Does that sound right?
 
I have been lucky enough to pull some nice buttons and coins from those deep broken signals (lift the coil an inch or two and they are gone), I just stopped digging those signals if there was any nulling associated with them as they always seemed to be deep iron falsing. Its always a great feeling when that 12+" target is a nice coin or button. Pulled an old copper ring last week from a field at about 11". All broken up, but nice and repeatable. The Fe was all over but the Co number stayed rock solid....
 
HEY RAY<i was wondering i am learning also is the spongey broken/sound the same as the HOLLOW/THUD sound i sometimes get?i seem to hear this every now and then. thanks
 
It is hard to explain but once you dig a few of them you will catch on .I think your type of soil may effect the sounds as well and in ground where the copper corrodes badly it is even more pronounced,Ray.
 
Thanks Ray, I am trying to take my abilities to the next level, the one you are speaking of, and find this info invaluable and motivating. HH Terry
 
In a nutshell yes but the conductive numbers still stay close but the fer. numbers drop to as low as 1 or 2 for me on ultra deep Indians.Drops the most on the badly corroded ones.The sounds I am talking about are not the same as the iron pops or scratchy signals that bleed through once in a while,Ray.
 
Hope it helps you a little and remember the best way to grasp what I am trying to explain is to dig some of those iffy deep targets ,Ray.
 
I have a Safari and have been reading this thread for possible application to my Safari. The Safari manual says to press Noise Cancel with the coil at least 12" over the ground, but some people place the coil on the ground first. How do you use Noise Cancel with the Etrac?
 
i only have the explorer xs but i always do the noise cancel with the coil on the ground. i don't see how it would help any that far off the ground.
 
Isn't the Noise Cancel designed to find and cancel interference? Having the coil on the ground, or not, would have no influence on frequency interference.
 
Yes and no depending on the source of the EMI.If it is from underground it may work better with coil on ground.On the other hand if it is ariel one has to wonder if it would work better lifting the coil as high as possible while noise cancelling,Ray:shrug:
 
I think they are suppose to be Noise Cancelled the same way.However I think you may want to try on ground and in the air and compare the results.Another thing to remember is that as you move about a site the outside interferrence can change .Like if you move closer to or farther away from a EMI source so it is wise to re-cancel from time to time.
 
Now to answer a question posed a while back by digitrich,yes I have found that ultra deep coins give a warble or what I call a mottled or slightly broken/spongy signal.Once you get on to this type signal and realize it could very well be a deep coin instead of iron your old coin count will go way up,at least it did for me.

I have got to check that out...

Ray, is there any chance that you might record that sound with your phone or something along with a regular tone for comparison and post them? You can use something free like Audacity to get them ready to post.. or maybe WMP. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
I 'd really like to hear what you are hearing....

J
 
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