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question for ace 250 users

metalfun

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I do mainly water hunting with an excall but my wife & kids gave me a new ace 250 for fathers day for land hunting.I dont have an individual pin pointer so any help on finding the target would be great.It doesn't seem to do well in trashy areas.some times it will say 4 inches & when I dig 4 inches & rescan it will say 4 inches again.Am I doing something wrong? any help would be GREATLY APPRECIATED Thanks& HH
Anthony
 
Yeah the 250 is ultra sensitive. Run your sensitivity at no more than four bars and keep the coil off the ground an inch or so. Stay in coin mode until you become familiar with the detector. Scan fairly slow. Pinpointing can be a little tricky so practice that till you get it down.

Bill
 
If you are above 4 bars, trash targets and large metal objects will do that. The factory set 6 bars is a joke. Go back to the site and raise the coil six inches and see what the detector does-and see how big it profiles out in pinpoint. I personally run mine at 3 bars, but I only hunt schools and parks in East Texas where the hard pan prevents the targets from going deeper than 2-3" and still find quarters at 5-6". Mine's as quite as a mouse at that setting. Whenever I get to better sites I jump it to 4 bars but still when double checking there's only once or twice I got a better signal. I keep saying this, learn to lift the coil as a method of profiling the size of the target. A coin is rarely detected at 12" and if you still get a signal when the coil's 8-10" in the air, it's pretty big.
 
If anyone wants to locate the center of a target, simply circle the coil in reverse around a target, other words as you slow circle your target and all beeping stops, you have located where to dig. Though now you really need a pp to make the locating easier otherwise your making a larger hole and more work. hh oj
 
Being an eliptical coil it pinpoints like a DD, off the front center tip of the inside loop on the coil. Deeper targets will be back of that spot a bit towards center.

Bill
 
this method never has failed me on any type of coil, but obviously only revert to this when having a problem target, in fact I find it a snap to locate targets even with my wot coil... hh oj/bc
 
thanks all you guys. I went out for a short hunt this morning .Turning down the sen.helped but it was still a pain locating the targets.Some I just gave up on but I'm sure I'll get better with practice.Maybe I've gotten to use to the iron mask on my excaliber that I use at the lake.Thanks again for all u guys help and post some more ideas if u think of anything else.HH
Anthony
 
Hi Anthony.
There are a couple of good pinpointing methods that help you get the best out of the Ace.
The first and most popular method, is to use the 12 o'clock position of the inner coil. Once you have located the target, press the pinpoint button and centre the coil over the target and using the Minelab wiggle, pull the coil back till you loss the signal. (the wiggle helps at the point where you lose the targets as it gives you the precise location of your target.) By listening to how long it takes for the audio to fade, it actually tells you how big the target is. This doesn't work if the targets is closer than 2 inches. All close targets give an instant drop off of audio, which does give great accuracy though. Do allow some leeway when listening because you'll get frustrated if you get too fussy with it. Listening to the fade, you can easily tell a coke can that is deep because the audio will keep hanging on instead of a close small target that will will give a fairly rapid audio drop off. Something that you need to be aware of, is when pinpointing, if there is a second target that comes under the coil when you draw back, then the audio will NOT alter till the inner coil has pass over over the last piece of metal that is under it. If a target is longer than you think it is, then turn the coil through 90 degrees and re pinpoint but this time move your coil from side to side, to see if you get a break in the audio. If you don't, re hit the pinpoint button to detune (as this will give you a 3 inch wide signal) and recheck the target. If you do have some difficulty in isolating a target, then use the tip of the inner coil (in pinpoint) to feel around a target or to feel your way between targets.
The other method, to be used to located deeper or more difficult targets, is to use the cut out in the middle of the coil. This is a very accurate method but doesn't give you as much target info as the first method. Hit your pinpoint button, go over the target and when you are a bit away from it, re hit (detune) the pinpoint button. As mentioned before, it shrinks the width of the target to 3 inches, but it also only leaves the front half of the inner coil active.(Sometimes the back half will stay active. If this happens, try again.) Because the back half of the coil is now switched off, instead of pulling the coil towards your self, you push the coil away and listen for the audio to stop (making sure you are centred over the target). When it stops, pull it back towards your self till you pick up the audio, moving the coil a quarter of an inch after the audio is heard. At this point you will have the target right in the middle of that cut out! If the detector nulls, the go through this process a couple more times. If it keeps doing it, then the detector is just telling you that it's a large target and you can move on.
Practice on a coin you can see and have fun.
Mick Evans.
 
What seems to be your biggest problem? The 250 is simple to use Is it centering and pinpointing the target or what? Pinpointing and centering the target with the 250 is a little different than some machines and if you try to use it like other machines you may have problems.

Bill
 
I'm sure the biggest problem is me. When I find the target and press pinpoint I get a visual of the target under the center circle of the coil but when dig I'm haviing to dig alot bigger hole than usual to locate target.I also find a lot of junk under the 5 cent cursor. In fact every thing I've dug on the 5cent cursor has been junk. Is this normal?Thanks again HH
Anthony
 
You are in pull tab range there, so yes. Ladies small gold rings are also in that range, so only dig there if you are in a place that has possible gold rings. Another tip. If you pass your coil over the target 6 times and it hasn't bounced, then it's not a pull tab!
read my other post in this thread. It will give you the heads up on using the pinpoint.
Mick Evans.
 
Make sure your iron setting is knotched out. After I pinpoint I usually dig a hole the size of the entire coil. That way I always find the target on the first try, and it is easier to dig deeper with a wider hole if I have to. I also found that plugs go back into the ground easier at this larger size.

If you haven't realized it by now - you need a Pro Pointer. That thing makes finding your target 1000 times quicker and you can double check the hole for second or third coins. At least 40% of the time there is more than one metal peice of something in the hole. Sometimes I dig an iffy signal and find a nail, but then stick the pro pointer in and then find a coin next to it.

Happy hunting!
 
I never had an issue pinpointing with my 250 and the target was in the center of the coil 99% of the time. An exception is when there was another metal object in close proximity to the desired target. At this point I used the beep and dig method in all metal mode since normal pinpointing was made impossible. For normal pinpointing I would either detune the detector by repressing pinpoint slightly off the target in order to narrow the pinpoint to a small area or I would simply raise the coil up off the ground while holding the pinpoint which will narrow the field down a bit. In both methods watching the bars fill to the strongest response was always the target center. The target center on my ace was always in the center cutout of the coil and just ahead of where the lower rod connects to the coil; in other words, the coil center. Practice these methods and you will become a pro. It is better to learn to pinpoint to the exact center of the coil than to try and figure out some other spot along the center line of the coil. If while detuning the detector you lose the signal, start over by starting just off the target and moving inwards towards the strongest response. Then when nearing the target, repress the pinpoint to detune and narrow the field. The only coils that these methods have not worked with are the DD or double D coils. These have a unique field pattern in that from coil tip to coil tip the field is like a knife blade. With these coils the only way to pinpoint is to scan in pinpoint in one position while visually noting the center line of the target. The you move 90 degrees to the left or right and do this again. Where the two lines intersect will be the target center. This is the case with my Minelab Sovereign and I can usually hit the coin with my coin probe; it is very accurate when done properly. I have been detecting for 36 years, since I was 13. I have used a lot of detectors, Whites, Tesoro, Minelab, Bounty Hunter, Garrett, you name it, and practice is the key to mastering any of them.
 
Thank you again guys for all of your help! I'm finding the more that I hunt with the Ace 250, the more I enjoy it. Keep posting any tips you think might help on using the Ace 250 or pinpointing. I'm definitely going to get me a Garrett pro-pointer. HH!
Anthony
 
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