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problem with decriminating iron targets

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I purchased my first explorer II in March. So far it has been going great. I am finding deeper targets than with my older detector. I in most cases have been using the iron mask mode set to around -6 and in advance and deep. I usually dig all targets with in this range and above similiar to my old detector. I admit I dig alot of trash but i have the time and have found a lot of good things. My problem is that I like to find horse shoes but the explorer II descriminates that target where I have it set to -6. I had to go all the way to - 16 before it would pick up the horse shoe. So I then learned the horse shoe with the small box in the iron mask mode pattern set at -6 and then saved it. I then tried to use it and noticed that it was picking up all kinds of nails. This is the big problem , it was sounding way to much. So then I went back to edit or learn and tried to remove the nail. I was using the small box when removing the nail. Once I was finished I tested it and I then not only removed the nail but also the horse shoe. What do I need to do to do this right? I want to find horse shoes or other large iron objects but not the nails.???? My old detector was set to about the edge of foil and pull tab and nickle range. Any time I would pass over a large iron objet it would give me a false reading of 1 to 10 cents range. I liked that because then i would find those horse shoes. I would like to add, that "regaurdless if it can't be done" the explorer II is better than my old detector and I will continue to master the new detector. Please help...... Thanks Larry
 
Larry,
I will suggest that you use the program menu, press select, then press clear and scroll to nail and select reject. After you have done this you can go into edit and trim up the bottom side a little and that may allow you to hear more larger metal items than nails, It will also make it noiser as you will hear more iron sounds break thru. One of the explorer's strong points is to reject more larger iron items but try this and let us know how it works,HH
Steve(MS)
 
I set the Iron mask at -14 and it works well enought and I dont miss a lot.
If I walk over it I find it.
Yesterday I was getting sight and sound indicating ferrous none ferrous dig dont dig.
I went for it as I was in doubt and out came a very old fitting. (A ferrous tube with a brass ring fitted to it).
Yet again the Explorer does the business.
Soon afterwards a very deep Lizzy hammered came out and a 1745 Halfpenny.
So this Iron mask setting works well as a generalisation.
 
The problem might lie in the setup of the Explorer screen layout/tones itself, and there might not be much you can do about it. As you know, the Explorer conductivity tone for nails and hoseshoes and other iron stuff is about the same as coins. Like you said, for most other detectors I've used, the nail tone is below foil. I guess I can only say that the Explorer was made for finding coins, not horseshoes!
 
at -14 and go slow I doubt you will miss many horse shoes. Where you have the mask at -6 you are probably missing some really good stuff.....I have not seen many folks throwing the mask down that low and blocking so much out....your call though........the proof is in the pudding...if you are happy with your finds then......
 
I can't see why you just can't do what you did for set-up and judge what to dig by the size of the target in pinpoint mode...horseshoe should be a larger target than a nail... <img src="/metal/html/confused.gif" border=0 width=15 height=22 alt=":?">
 
You can tell right away when you have a big or "wandering" target under the coil.
HH,
Glenn
 
I appriciate your reply, I also see your point about the size of a target and using pinpoint. My point was that I needed advice on how to dicriminate nails but not large iron objects. If I set it the way it is in iron mask mode to pick up a horse I had to set it to -16. Then it was making all kinds of noise because it was piking up all iron objects. The areas I hunt in are typical subdivision with lots of nails. These subdivisions were also built on old home sites and a civil war battle field. It would take to long to be using all metal, pinpoint, etc. I would be stoping every few seconds if i did it that way. This is why I set my discriminating higher. I have never found nails or horse shoes to use the pinpoint method you decribed of how large or small it could be. I was just wanting to learn how to decriminate the nails but not the horse shoes. I have read a few other tips on this forum that I will consider to try.
 
Thanks Steve, I will try this set up. I want to use the explorer II for what it is meant to do to our on custom programs. I have a lot to learn and will continue to try new things.
 
About the only time I go looking for iron is for property stakes and it can be tough. Basically have to program my brain to listen for what I've been try to ignore for normal hunting. However, I am getting better at it but not sure I can explain. I think if you use any discrimination you will lose most of the iron signals. But bigger iron targets do behave differently than small. Open up the screen and practice. Don't think you'll be able to do a pattern and rely on the detector to do it for you.
Chris
 
Larry,
What I have found with using iron mask is that it tends to knock out larger iron pieces which is ok if one does not desire iron. It has been my experiance that some iron objects will show up where -16 is on the screen but a bit lower than nails. Also I have found grape shot lead at that location. You may need to experiment to find out if you need to trim (in edit) off the bottom of the nail program, it may vary a little where the larger iron comes in due to type soil you are detecting in. It definitely will be noisier than using iron mask at say -14 but better than -16.
Steve(MS)
 
We cannot tell a horseshoe from a nail if all we hear is a tone and that tone is the same? However, we can tell middle C that is a whole note from middle C that is a half note. The same idea is true of the tone for a horseshoe and a nail and Kirk tells us the answer. In pinpoint there is a world of difference between the "fatness" and "length" of the tones when we detect a horseshoe and when we detect a nail even if the tone is the same, 31/31. I completely agree that pinpoint is a great tool when used properly to measure a target.

 
to see how far up you have to go before the signal disappears. a horseshoe should take it up higher than a nail.
 
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