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[mudpuppy]

The mods here do there best to keep the situation from going too far...not shillin' just sayin' ...You can get into some good political fights down on the Views Forum if you wish...but when it comes to most all the others, they try to keep the posts going on standard subject matter. You Tesoro guys sort of did give everybody that swings a high end Vid machine a tweak, and thats OK in moderation, its your Forum after all, but when it went into the "my old man can kick your old mans butt" realm, well, it was a bridge too far.

Stay frosty my friends!
Mud

 

[deliveryboy]

I apologize, I am probably part of the reason it got deleted. I got insulted a few times and took the bait and responded a bit harshly, didnt think it was too abrasive but the mod apparently thought otherwise. A suggestion to the mods for future issues is to maybe just delete the offensive posts rather than the whole thread.It's kind of counter-productive in my opinion, as the thread did have valuable opinions that others could have benefited from, aside from the negative posts,

Again sorry if I ruined the thread for everyone, but when I'm insulted or called out, I've never been one to back down from what I believe to be true.

I am a bit disgruntled about it as we'll. I started the thread with the genuine interest of being enlightened on a subject that I know very little about, (high dollar machine value in the field vs. traditional analog or mid level Tesoro low cost machines).
I watched the the thread till the end where it turned sour. Sic.
Was a great thread though, I would have read it over and over for the next year.

From all the posts and threads that have been deleted here, I feel that was one thread that truly deserved to stay! It was good.

 

[HateTabs]

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[PostalTwo]

Ive seen good theads go sour before on other forums I belong to deliveryboy one I myself was a big player in why It got shutt down .im usually very respectful but like u had pot shots taken and I took the bait lol dont sweat it it happens.anyway what the mods did was remove the thread for a couple days and delete or edit the posts and return the thread so we could still enjoy it the next post was from the mods warning that anymore and they would perminently delete. I wish they would do that here so we could stil enjoy the convo cheers guys

 

[Clad2Hunt]

Apologies accepted. innochio I do like this forum but don't like to be censored. If it does get to a pissing match then it is time to go.

 

[MarkCZ]

They are two classes of forums that I'm going to refer to,
Member supported. Members pay a fee to support the forum and so they say whatever they want, to whoever they want, anyway they want to say. OMG what a mess some of those forums get.

Then you have forums like this, this forum is paid for not by US the members, but by companies, dealers, manufactures. Yes, its true the these sponsors fallow the POOL of people that make up the HUGE membership. So, this presents a problem, The sponsors create the money flow, that keeps the forum free to the members, but without us the members the sponsors just move on to the next LARGE pool of people.

So, if I go on the Bounty Hunter forum here and start brand bashing Bounty Hunter then I can expect to be put in my place, maybe not the first post, it may just get deleted, but in the end First Texas is a paying sponsor of Bounty Hunter products, so, we can figure this right from the start!
If the forum patrol doesn't do something about my brand bashing pretty soon, First Texas is going to make a simple contact to the admins, saying "Fix It, or Were Pulling Are Sponsorship" what do you think is going to happen?

One, The Admins is going to reply back to First Texas saying, Hey, MarkCZ is a member here, and he can say whatever he wants and if you don't like it you can just go down the road!

Or, are they going to take up the problem with me?

I think the answer is pretty obvious.

The next problem is name calling, and bashing one another.
I've not ever been on ANY forum that had any class about it that lets this go on. These harsh outburst of anger just leads to unresolved hurt feelings, and most don't end with FACTS but rather just opinions. Forum patrol has another problem in not dealing with this sort of activity, it just looks bad to the public at large and higher numbers of people will fall off the membership then gets attracted to joining the forum, it leads to a cesspool of trash and misconduct. Member numbers shrinks, paying sponsors move on somewhere else. Forum patrol also has to keep a look out because as many people that are members of the forum there are as many or maybe more non members lurking and reading post. This forum is an OPEN forum, that means that all kinds of people are looking at us,
Men,
Women,
Teenagers,
All color,
Different religions,
From around the world.
So, I've learned that I can say whatever I want, BUT!!! I did to do it in a way as to be respectful to others as much as I possibly can, and consider the paying sponsors as well.
I avoid getting into a shouting match and all I have is an opinion, that's not to say I don't offer up an opinion, it just if I do, and I don't have something solid to back it up, then I don't get everybody all ruffed up just to be put in my place by somebody that has some solid information to back up their claim.

Mark

 

[thump7]

I apologize, I am probably part of the reason it got deleted. I got insulted a few times and took the bait and responded a bit harshly, didnt think it was too abrasive but the mod apparently thought otherwise. A suggestion to the mods for future issues is to maybe just delete the offensive posts rather than the whole thread.It's kind of counter-productive in my opinion, as the thread did have valuable opinions that others could have benefited from, aside from the negative posts,

Again sorry if I ruined the thread for everyone, but when I'm insulted or called out, I've never been one to back down from what I believe to be true.

FORGIVEN. Lol.
Like someone on this forum once told me. "Takes a big man to say those words". And it does.

 

[MichiganJason]

So basically it sounds like this is an admiration society. One that will give false praise to inferior products as to not piss off the sponsors. Oh and is negative review of a product bashing it? Bashing to me would suggest an unfair assessment of a particular product....so basically it seems like every review has to be positive or you're bashing it. Hmmm.....sounds logical to me.

 

[TAB.HUNTER]

So basically it sounds like this is an admiration society. One that will give false praise to inferior products as to not piss off the sponsors. Oh and is negative review of a product bashing it? Bashing to me would suggest an unfair assessment of a particular product....so basically it seems like every review has to be positive or you're bashing it. Hmmm.....sounds logical to me.

Instead of censoring caustic threads, why not send them over to a new forum; like the "Bashers" forum or the "Swingers Brawl." Then just note where the thread was moved to.

 

[MarkCZ]

So basically it sounds like this is an admiration society. One that will give false praise to inferior products as to not piss off the sponsors. Oh and is negative review of a product bashing it? Bashing to me would suggest an unfair assessment of a particular product....so basically it seems like every review has to be positive or you're bashing it. Hmmm.....sounds logical to me.

No, here would be a negative review type post,

Boy, I bought a _ _ _ _ _ and I thought I was getting this great car, until I got it home. I didn't think it drove all that good and it seems to have more road noisy then a car like that should have. Also the short test drive I took it on didn't really indicate its lack of power on the highway. I know there is other people here on the forum that owns this model car and I'm really surprised that there isn't any other post on here with unhappy owners.

Bashing,
Boy, I went out and bought a _ _ _ _ _, what a piece of s.h.i.t car this thing has been!
Only a "CRAP' company like GM would put a nice wrapper on something like this and rip off the public with their trash products!
I spent good money for this piece of s.h.i.t heap of scarp metal.

Now, the problem with the above bashing is that the company mentioned pays something to the effect of $3,000 to maybe even $5,000 a year sponsoring the forum your on doing the bashing. The Forum police has to work in the middle to keep as many sponsors onboard as they can, and let members speak their minds. Now, if you were to go to a Ford only sponsored forum then they may love your bashing post about the GM. But forums like this one is multi-brand and that puts the forum's "Powers That Be" in a different position to balance the members post with the sponsors support, and keep the forum attractive to as many lurkers at large as possible, this also means keeping it productive, helpful, respectful to as many as possible, and generally in a overall good light.

I too, have had my run ins with forum police here, and I'm sure that more than once they were on the verge of pushing the "Dump" button on some of my post, do I like that NO! but that doesn't change anything, its how it has to be here if I like it or not, but I understand how forums like this are and the problems that go along with them, so I've learned to stay between the bumpers so to speak.

Now, I've seen post just get deleted for what I seen should have just been a post to the effect of, "Guys/Gals your getting out of line and this topic is going in a bad direction and is about to be locked, or dumped for becoming a bashing violation"
But, its very possible that with THOUSANDS of members posting THOUSANDS of post in THOSANDS of threads and only a hand full of non paid volunteers to keep things in order that I just don't see all the challenges faced in running a HUGE forum like this.

So, I stay,
Do I like everything about how its run here, NO! but I still understand why some things are the way they are.

Let me say this about BAD REVIEWS!
We get taken in with a lot of Product Reviews and here is at lest one reason why!
Most of all the people that do actual field testing for companies gets to keep the products they are testing For "FREE" and often times these people work towards really getting in tight with the manufactures. How many high dollar metal detectors is a manufacture going to give to anyone that gives the product a BAD review??
How far towards being tight with the company is this person going to make it giving bad reviews??

I have seen so MANY recycled reviews over the years that I just laugh at some of them. These guys work really hard on a review, or maybe three or four of them, then they just recycle most of the contents and just edit out or in stuff to make it fit the current date and model of the unit they are testing. If they make it juicy enough, realistic enough, it means they get another Top Of The Line Unit for free, plus many are driven by being in the spotlight, (fame of it). Yea, I read the reviews but I work very hard at viewing them through filtered lenses. I mean come on, every new model detector ever made in the reviews is "Several Inches" deeper than its predecessor and I started reading reviews back in the early 80's so, if I added up all those several inches and knock off 90 percent we would still be in around the 10 foot depth range for a US dime LoL! And have you ever seen a review where the field tester didn't take the detector to a hammered out place to be amazed at what ALL the last several hundred detectors missed.

Mark

 

[PostalTwo]

The only reviews I even remotely trust are the one written by regular user and have both the good and bad in them. So basically I throw out the bad and throw out the good and read the honest reviews because not machine is perfect.although I understand the reason for throwing out a thread I wish the mods would communictate in a formal way whats goin on.markcz thank you for ur peespective on this issue I think it helped me to understand the mods point of view

 

[Elton]

First let me 'Clarify" I am not the mod that deleted the post.. So don't go there..

I can't say why it was deleted either..I didn't see the series of posts as I recall..........

I can say this. Once a post goes South for what can be many reasons Attack of fellow members...Non truths being posted about a product..or in general a combative post back, and forth between members it no longer serves as a useful Thread on this or any other forum..

This is and has been stated many, many times a Commercial based forum. Paid for by Sponsor Dealers, and Manufacturers. So they do get, and always will get the benefit of the doubt on any thread I read. If it turns negative, and degrading, I most likely will delete some of the posts and maybe delete the whole thread.
The minute it turns into a fist fight between several members it will be deleted if I am the mod on that forum. It has always been the rule rather than the exception Attacking other members is not allowed.

Not any mod here thinks himself a "GOD" as some suggest and are delete happy..Nor would The owner, or the administrators put up with a mod who acted like that on this forum. Many times things are posted that are questionable and non productive yet is left standing.
That said once it gets out of hand it must be deleted and not allowed to go any further.. That is my take..and I decided to post this post after reading a lot of the statements being made..

So let's all be nice,and post some good finds etc up.... enjoy the forum and have some fun here..

Respectfully,
Elton

 

[yowow#1]

First let me 'Clarify" I am not the mod that deleted the post.. So don't go there..

I can't say why it was deleted either..I didn't see the series of posts as I recall..........

I can say this Once a post goes South for what can be many reasons Attack of fellow members...Non truths being posted about a product..or in general a combative post back, and forth between members it no longer serves as a useful Thread on this or any other forum..

This is and has been stated many, many times a Commercial based forum. Paid for by Sponsors. Dealers, and Manufacturers so they do get, and always will get the benefit of the doubt on any thread I read. If it turns negative and degrading. I most likely will delete some of the posts and maybe delete the whole thread.
The minute it turns into a fist fight between several members it will be deleted if I am the mod on that forum. It has always been the rule rather than the exception. Attacking other members is not allowed.

Not any mod here thinks himself a "GOD as some suggest and are delete happy..Nor would The owner, or the administrators put up with a mod who acted like that on this forum. Many times things are posted that are questionable and non productive yet is left standing.
That said once it gets out of hand it must be deleted and not allowed to go any further.. That is my take..and I decided to post this post after reading a lot of the statements being made..

So let's all be nice.and post some good finds etc up.... enjoy the forum and have some fun here..

Respectfully,
Elton

Great post Elton. If folk wants to fuss and call each other out, maybe a forum where THEY pay the BILL might be a good idea. But i doubt they would want to pay for their acting childish.