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Possible problem with E-trac??

However I do not use the E-TRAC the way most people do. I use a slightly enlarged Relic pattern. I use ferrous sounds and 2 tones because the on the ET that almost eliminate all falsing in auto+3. I usually run fast=on and deep=on; I use pitch hold. I usually use high trash and difficult ground. Sometimes in soft dark soil you can get a better TID in neutral ground. If you have a target like this dime you can sometimes get a better TID by switching fast and deep OFF, low trash and neutral ground but if you're in a trashy area don't forget to turn high trash back on. Red clay is almost always difficult ground.

Another reason I use ferrous/2 tones and the relic pattern is because you will hear everything except for just a little of the iron and since it doesn't false when set that way you can easily hear a chirp from a masked good target in iron trash and bad ground. ALSO... the conductive number stays pretty colse even when a target is pretty deep. If it is reading deep or really "iffy" (from co-located iron or trash) but you keep getting a good co number like 43-47 or 11-14 or even 23 if you're in a site that may hold brass buttons... or 32-33 if you want minnieballs... then dig it if the ferrous number is usually under 20. That is how to sniff out the targets that other machines miss and others walk right over.

If you're in a fairly clean place without a lot of iron or trash, like an old site that hasn't seen modern activity. Like an old swimming hole or picnic grove then conductive sounds and multi-tones is a better way to go.

Learn to rely on the conductive number even when you are running ferrous sounds and 2-tones, if you're getting a repeatable good co number even from one way and the fe number is reasonable... it is worth digging, especially if it is at depth ot if there is a piece of iron close.

One thing that you will need to be aware of and always check, especailly in a nice lawn or park is the good tone and number that you will always get inbetween two pieces of iron. For instance: two pieces of flat iron about a foot apart will always give you a false GOOD signal in the middle, between them. Check for the iron on both sides. Plus IIRC, you wont get the good signal when you turn 90 degrees and swing it.

More shallow targets will almost always have a correct co number even in trash, and even if it isn't there when you turn 90 degrees and swing... if you don't find sizable iron on both sides... dig it.

Co-located iron will mess with the fe number but the co number will be constant and reliable from some direction. You'll just have to dig some to see.

Square tabs will sometimes read and sound like a perfect nickel, especially if they are folded in half. square tabs unfolded will read and sound just like a CW eagle cuff button and some round tabs will come in just like a coat button. If you are in an old place it is worth digging some, especially if they are deeper but I have dug buttons at 2" and tabs at 6" at the same park. As you hunt more you will get better but the only reliable discriminator is your digging tool and your eyes. I hope you also have a good pinpointer. I have been trying a Garretts but have gone back to the Uniprobe because it is so much better. If you have good headphones they will have a mono/stereo switch. If the detector interferes with the pinpointer, just flip the switch on the phones while you recover the target. That will stop the chatter between them.

You say you're new so i'll also say this. If you don't have one get a Lesche Ground Shark and a Lesche hand digging tool. If the place is a park where there are lots of people, leave the shovel in the truck, carry a dishtowel looped over your digger or in your belt to put dirt on if you have to dig a deeper hole. Never dig more than three sides to a hole, that will still leave a yellow ring in the heat of summer but that one side till allow the grass to recover. NEVER carry a regular shovel into a park or into someone's yard. Learn to pinpoint perfectly. With the DD coil I can pinpoint from two sides (turn 90 degrees) and I can put my finger on the target. If it is shallow dig a very small hole, if it is larger start the hole a little larger... but put the dirt on the towel and you won't make a mess. Always re-check your hole because you may actually recover a piece of trash and leave the good target in the hole. When you pinpoint with the ET it is in AM and if there is a piece of iron next to the target it will pinpoint the iron, sometimes that iron combined with some other trash by the detector will be what you thought was a good target... but the presence of the iron does not mean that there isn't something good right beside it, that is why the ET is so good! It will alert you that there is something good there. In clean ground you'll get a good signal with a good fe and co number. In heavy trash you may get a chirp or a shorter sound and not from all directions and the fe number may be unreliable but from one or two directions the co number will keep hitting the correct number. You'll get it with practice. It isn't perfect but it is very good.

Do you know about the Minelab "wiggle"? On a deep or iffy target that you just get a peep from, try pinpointing it. If you pinpoint something off to the side, try again sometimes you'll pinpoint to some iron or trash off to the side but after a couple of tries with a shorter swing, a "wiggle" actually, a swing of only a couple of inches side to side you'll pinpoint the actual target. Once you get it pinpointed switch back out of pinpoint while keeping the coil on the target... then wiggle the coil side to side, moving it only 1/2 to 1 inch and moving it quickly. On a deep target you will wiggle in a better TID and tone.

Hope this helps...

Julien
 
Doesn't sound like there's anything wrong with your E-trac. Just go hunting with it. It'll hit on a deep silver dime that's been buried for a long time. The numbers tend to be off on deep coins and pretty accurate on shallow ones. However the tones are dead on accurate even at great depths. Just forget that freshly buried coin you couldn't get and go hunting. You'll see how well the E-trac does. :detecting:
 
Your location will help answer your questions. What sort of ground there is where you live.

J
 
Thanks Jbow!
Some good info in there and thanks for taking the time to type it out. I will definitely try some of your suggestions.
 
jbow said:
Your location will help answer your questions. What sort of ground there is where you live.

J

I am in Essex, Maryland.
I don't know how to tell what type of ground is here. From the 2 different parks I have gone to, it is pretty easy to dig until you get down about 6 inches. From there the ground is real dense and hard.
 
I assume the ground at the top is black, low mineral. What does the hard stuff look like? Someone here probably already knows what sort of ground you have BUT... chances are, if the ground is like that everywhere then coins and relics are hitting the hard part and pretty much stopping or at least sinking much slower.
However my guess is that the places you have hunted have had topsoil brought in... but it only a WAG. (Wild Arse Guess)

Rocks tend to stop something from getting deep and really hard soil tends to really slow sinking. Hard soil is also usually more mineralized but that is from my limited experience and knowledge.

Try the ET in ferrous/2-tone. Search the E-TRAC forum all the way back. Use the search term "Jason's relic pattern". Load it and try it.

You can also look at the level where the relic program comes up to on the screen and set the iron mask to match it or go slightly higher, then try ferrous/2-tone. Rely heavily on the conductive number.
You can also do a search for TID or VDI numbers. There are some good lists on the forum that list the TID numbers for all sorts of targets...

I know most will tell you to use conductive sounds/multi-tones and I use that sometimes too but it an old park that has been hunted a lot... ferrous/2-tone will find masked targets like nobodys business.


J
 
Jbow, man good info!:beers: I too, hunt primarily in conductive tones/ multi, but after reading your post, I think I will give ferrous/ two tones a try. I'm getting swamped with false iron coming through on this one site, and I'm constantly going to quick mask all metal to check the target. Perhaps this will be what is needed to pull a few keepers from a difficult site.:thumbup: Now to retrain my ears... :blink:
 
I'll be interested to see how you like it. not much retraining involved though... just two tones.

J
 
Got out for a quickie today...Nothin but clad and a little junk. I tried ferrous/2 tones for alittle while, but I must say I gave up on it rather quickly.:surrender:
I switched back to conductive/ multi and was immediately more comfortable. :detecting:
I have used these settings since I got the E-trac, so that's probably why. I should have more time tomorrow so I will give ferrous sounds another try.
Was very surprised today at this site cause I was able to run with sens @ 30 (max) and just a little corner nocked out with little to no falsing :yikes:
If the deepies are there, I'll get'em!

HH everyone
 
Man Jbow!! That is some great information. I really appreciate you taking the time to type it all out. You've given me a lot to think about and that is the reason I love this forum. Again, thank you!!

NebTrac
 
I am brand new to metal detecting the best thing to do to find accurate reading for me was and please experienced detectorist comment if you want. I bought the junkiest coins from a coint shop and burried them at various depths marked them with golf tees and listened to tones.not the reading Ive starting to find things.
hope this helps steve
 
stevew said:
I am brand new to metal detecting the best thing to do to find accurate reading for me was and please experienced detectorist comment if you want. I bought the junkiest coins from a coint shop and burried them at various depths marked them with golf tees and listened to tones.not the reading Ive starting to find things.
hope this helps steve

Definitely Steve:thumbup: I agree with you on that one. This helps someone new to minelab or detecting in general get used to the sounds each coin/ object can make. I would suggest though, starting out with factory settings/ programs. This way you can get a feel for the machine and not be overwhelmed with all the options and settings. Also, staying in auto sens is probably best when just starting out, otherwise you may want to crank it up, to get the depth out of it. This can be counterproductive because a higher sens setting will cause more false signals, and you will get frustrated. A lower sens will lose some depth but the detector will be more stable and you will find more without all the noise from falsing, large iron, EMI, etc...

Just my two...
 
Have been to a number of places now like parks and schools and am I still haviing issues with depth. I have only found shallow coins and the only deep targets the detector seems to pick up is large iron. The detector seems to be unstable even in Auto sense as I get a lot of erratic readings below 4 inches. I am using Andy's coin program and have tried numerous setting configerations with no luck so far. :shrug:

I guess its possible I could be doing something wrong or the places I have been hunting have no deep targets but I am starting to get a sinking feeling that something is wrong with either the coil or the detector itself. Very disappointing.

I don't know if I should return the Etrac or send it in for repair or at least have a technician look at it.
 
Hey 4th.

What was your sensitivity reading in Auto? Did you noise cancel? If it seemed unstable try loading up the stock minelab coin program. It will false less than Andy's coin program. What are your Audio settings at? See if you can find a real "clear" patch of soil (no signal at all, just your threshold humming and no beeps) Then put a pre 1982 penny or wheat in one hole and a dime (clad or silver) in another, and a quarter (clad or silver) in another spaced apart so the signals don't overlap, holes around 6" deep, and hit them with the detector. Make sure you noise cancel. Very shallow coins (less than 2 inches) are going to give you a very, very different sound than something that is deeper.

Could there be a problem with the machine? Sure. But I would sure spend a couple of hours going through the settings and listening to the coins in that "test garden" before I packed it up. If you have the SunRay probe make sure it isn't switched on when you're detecting. I've done that 3 times now and everytime I feel like a complete idiot. Went 10 minutes thinking I'd found the trashiest place on earth before I looked down and seen where the probe switch was. I was red-faced and was the only person around for 1/2 mile.:laugh:

By the way if it is unstable in Auto, you might try running your Auto and start going +2, +1, 0, -1, -2, -3 and see if that starts to clear things up. Keep posting, let us know how your progress is coming.

NebTrac
 
4th
Maybe there just isn't anything deep there. Or is just out of reach of the machine. Deep settings would be an open screen with nails rejected. Deep on,fast off, trash low and in manual as high as you can go with little falsing. This may get you a silver dime at 8 inches depending on your soil. A dime is a small target but silver is a high conductor. Also take out a ruler and look what 8 inches looks like. It isn't much when you look at it.

A deep silver dime "8in" will sound very quick. Just like a high tone false. The deeper it is the more easy it is to pass over. It took me around 40 hours of hunting in the field "not my test garden" to get my first silver. This was using the stock coin mode and nothing else. Don't get to caught up in different patterns and settings until you get the time in.

The only time Ive hit and dug targets at 8+ is the beach. Ive dug pull tabs at a solid 12 inches in the wet salt sand. Using almost the same settings above with auto +3.

The ETrac is a great machine in the right hands. You just have to learn its language and hear what its telling you. There is no fast way around this.

HH
EZ
 
Upon further experimentation, I have come to the conclusion that the Etrac is working properly. The problem with the depth issue must be with me, the places I am hunting or a combo of both. :laugh:

Here are some results of a simple air test using a clad dime:
In Auto +3 the dime was detected at 8 inches.
In Manual 26 the dime was detected at 11-12 inches.
I had trash set to low, fast recovery off and deep off.

I was able to detect a clad dime I buried at 6-8 inches. Although the signal was not real strong, it was strong enough that I would have dug it.

This tells me that the machine is working correctly and the problem must be operator error and places I am hunting.

Thanks for the input everyone. :thumbup:
 
NebTrac said:
If you have the SunRay probe make sure it isn't switched on when you're detecting. I've done that 3 times now and everytime I feel like a complete idiot. Went 10 minutes thinking I'd found the trashiest place on earth before I looked down and seen where the probe switch was. I was red-faced and was the only person around for 1/2 mile.:laugh:

I have already done that once. I was scanning the ground for about 15 - 20 feet before I realized I left the Sunray probe on. :laugh:
 
The finds will come. Just keep working it!!! Keep us posted! I remember I was hunting an old school lot. School was no longer there, just some playground equipment and a couple of sidewalks. I did not find any old coins there. I did find two silver rings, but nothing too special. Anyway I was hunting along and looked down and noticed my sensitivity in auto had dropped below 10. I thought wow, wonder what is causing that. I talked to a few folks and they told me a little "back" path or something was paved with cinders. I figured either that or I was again where the old coal storage had to be. Got another 20 feet further and sensitivity went back up. So you never know, especially on places that have been long gone.

NebTrac
 
It would be nice if the probe had a push button that switched the probe on only when you hold it in , then switch back to coil when released. I leave that switch on probe all the time.
 
An easy fix for that is to mount the probe on the shaft, pointing up to the control box. When you put the probe back in the clip, if you don't flip the switch back, your headphones will go crazy. You'll know right away the switch is in the wrong position.

I think it would be cool to have the switch in the clip. Then the probe would turn on when you pulled it out and then turn off when you put it back. Are you listening Sun Ray? lol
 
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