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Pin pointing without Audio

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Rob (IL)

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Magic's post was getting a little long and covering about 3 topics so I thought I would start a new one.

This is just addressing the pin point problem without audio.

Here is a post made by Sun Ray.
(2) However, the stock White's 10" DD coil may or may not overload with the DX-1 in-line depending on the tolerances from coil to coil. This has nothing to do with the probe or coil involved, rather with the switch (for switching from coil to probe and visa versa)
(3) It was found that by either reducing the RX gain a number or two ,or, disengaging TX Boost resolved the problem.

I know that magic and I both run the V's hot and use the D2. I lose the threshold a lot on my DX1 when I switch to pin point and have to hit the trigger to get it back. I don't lose the threshold when the DX1 is not in the pin point mode. Could the problem be related to Magic's? Could the DX1 be contributing to the problem. I can't check because I'm not losing audio when pin pointing with the D2.

I wrote Sun Ray and got NO answer.

Also, could some of you electronic gurus explain in electrical terms, how is the switch causing a problem?
 
OK, I talked to Magic and he doesn't use the DX1.
 
Hi Rob,

Am I understanding that the problem that Magic is having is with the V3i and not the V?

Being a new owner to the V3i I am not quick to jump on the band wagon about problems, being that I am still what I would consider to be in the learning phase, but I have on occassion noticed a Non-Audio pinpoint with Bars moving as if there were something in the ground.

Is this what is being experienced by Magic and others? I think this has only happened to me a handful of times since July when I got the V3i.

Thanks
DJH
 
Yes read his post. .
 
I hadn't been using my V much but I've been dealing with a case of minelab elbow recently so picked up the V again on the last few hunts. Man what a huge improvement over the V3!

Anyway, I did experience this pinpoint audio problem twice last night. 10x12 SEF coil, No TX boost running in stock coin and jewelry. The target was a good target. It was shallow (under 4") with no trash nearby. Reattempted pinpoint maybe 10 times before it finally kicked in and worked.


I used it a couple of days ago without issue but had the D2 on. My guess is thats just a matter of luck and this has nothing to do with the coil.
 
OK, I may be way off base here, but...Magic, if you use audio discrimination (set some of your vdi numbers to tone "zero"), maybe (??) when trying to pinpoint your detector is locking on to a target with a vdi set to a tone zero rather than the one you hit in discriminate? I know this is apples vs. oranges (discriminate mode vs. pinpoint) and the vdi number shouldn't make any difference when in all metal .... but maybe it does? I haven't used "zero" tones so I don't know what effect, if any, that would have in pinpoint...guys?
 
Man what a huge improvement over the V3! I think you had a typo here. I can't say anything about the non Whites 10x12. You said it didn't happen with the D2 so try it some more. Since your elbow is bothering you besides changing detectors try shortening the rod.
 
I think it's fairly unlikely that a reported problem with the V3i pinpoint with various coils is going to come back to a coil problem or in any way related to the coil one is using.

FTR my friends V3i has the same issue on ocassion with the D2. I have no doubt if I used the D2 that I would experience it with that coil as well.

and yes, that was a typo, or at least poorly written. I should have said: I hadn't been using my V3i much since updating but I've been dealing with a case of minelab elbow recently so picked up the V3i again on the last few hunts. Man what a huge improvement over the standard V3!
 
I pinpointed a solid 50 targets today and had it go silent only a couple of times. I just have to take it off target and do it again. I notice if the target is right on the surface and small the pinpoint window can be very tight and you need to go really slow to pinpoint it. This was on a rivet from an old pair of levis 5" down. I dug it up and then had to find it in my dirt pile.

No problem whatsoever here. I think some people are jumping on the band wagon saying they have a problem when there is not a real one. This is not an overloading coil problem, nor is it a blank screen, or scrambled audio. You just have to move the coil back off target and do again.
 
I'm glad to see that most of us really aren't having a problem, GREAT.
 
Not sure if my question was answered on my last post over on the original.

Here goes again: I am not a V3i owner yet(today?) but have used Magic's V3i. Magic's program is set pretty hot for both DC and AC sensitivity(pinpointing and all metal). Since the Whites video manual indicates DC sensitivity set high(like Magic's) will affect shallow target pinpointing(Magic indicated a 4" dime-not really shallow), could this be the culprit? and if the audio loss while pinpointing occurs, has anyone tried to lower the DC sensitivity through live controls and re-pinpointing?

Just curious. When my V3i shows up and if I get the audio loss issue I will try various settings at that time to satisfy my own curiosity. I do think however this whole issue may be phenomenon with ground conditions, multiple targets and detector settings. Maybe not really a problem at all.
 
What you say could be true, but it would not be the problem in this case if his V3 is fine and his V3i isn't. Also his has a problem and Steve's doesn't. I run almost the same as Magic and I am good, he is not. When he gets back from his hunting trip we should have more information. Until then we are just speculating. Lets not be hypochondriacs. I'm still not sure there is a problem and not a problem unit. If the 2 major problem units were sent in, the QUESTION WOULD BE ANSWERED. IMHO, I would send mine in if it had the problems.
 
OK, AN EXAMPLE OF NOT KNOWING HOW TO PIN POINT.
If you pin point like this you will lose your audio. It pays to learn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5f_-b47S8c&NR=1
 
For those who do not know what Rob is talking about, You ALWAYS start your pinpoining off to the side of the target. This guy appears to be pulling the trigger while the coil is over the target and that will definitely screw it up.
 
I'm not trying to pick on the guy, we all need to learn and I continue to learn more each day. I can see why Whites wanted the V sold by dealers on a 1 on 1 sale.
The guy in the video is pinpointing incorrectly but if you look closely he already is using a custom program. There is a correct order to learn. You have to learn to walk before you run. Basics are important.
 
This guy has a very faint idea as to what he is doing. It was pinpointing perfectly and he is thinking it should do something different. You can see that he is swinging it past the target not zeroing in like pinpoint is used for. I honestly dont know what he was doing that for and I am going to let him having it in the comments.

His detector was working perfectly..... and this really make me mad.:thumbdown:

I hope its not anyone here that posted it and if it is you need to go out with someone with experience.... :veryangry:
 
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