OMG !! talk about depth :clapping:

[paul23]

Critter,

Does this video help, red dirt in virginia? doesn't mean much to me being in the UK.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g90S65e1kk

Paul

 

[John(Tx)]

Maybe later they can make it atleast splash proof......

 

[HeavyMetalDigger]

Hey I found it! They're sold here!
The above link for BLISSTOOL has a "where to buy" link and AUTHORIZED USA distributor of BLISSTOOL in NY
here's their site http://www.blisstoolusa.com/Home.html
this MD looks promising!

 

[Critterhunter]

No tone alert or VDI? Makes it OK for beach hunting, but it wouldn't be fun land hunting without those features. Who wants to dig down that deep to find junk. Can you at least crank up the discrimination to knock out everything but copper pennies and higher? And if you can, does the depth stuffer? If you can and the depth doesn't suffer then it might be useful for land hunting. I've had enough machines with no tone ID, and some without VDI as well, to know that I don't want to go back to that. Digging blind isn't all that fun to me.

Something that makes me suspicious is it says in the specs adjustable discrimination depth. That makes me wonder if it's getting hits on the real deep targets without discrimination ability. In which case you might as well use a PI, which should penetrate rough ground even better.

 

[Critterhunter]

Critterhunter - you are wrong about the discrimination. Discrimination was used and shown on screen in all the video - there are plenty more at the website. You can control both the disc level and the disc depth. You can knock out the surface iron and hear the deep iron - if you want to OR you can discriminate all the way down to the max - 10+ inches. So it's PI depth with discrimination.

And not fun land hunting? I beg to differ because it all depends on what land you are talking about. The blisstoolusa.com website specifically says this machine is not for park or schoolyard hunting - for those situations use the E-Trac, the Deus, etc. Yes you can crank up the disc level and knock out foil and tin (and gold).

One tone - no difference in target ID. Good with iron discrimination. Good in a dig all non-ferrous situation.
Beach - if not iron dig. Relic hunting - if not iron dig. Farm field hunting - if not iron dig.

 

[Critterhunter]

Can only be wrong about something if you make a statement. I did not. I said I was suspicious (meaning skeptical, curious, wanting to know, having questions that need answered, etc) about the discriminating depth adjustment and wondering about certain things concerning that and other issues. So yes, I have questions. For example, does depth suffer with discrimination unless it's kept at very modest levels? If I'm reading the post above right the discrimination was kept low enough to still accept a gold chain. That sounds pretty low (possibly set at somewhere in the iron or foil range?) and would allow a lot of junk to sound off, so what happens to the depth if it's raised?

I see discrimination can't even be raised high enough to knock out pull tabs. That's a serious drawback with no VDI or tone alerts, resulting in a lot of deep junk being dug. It would be good for beach hunting though with those features (although I see that it falses in salt water), and perhaps good for relic hunting, but sounds like a bad choice for old coin hunting under most conditions. If you were able to raise the discrimination high enough to knock out everything but copper pennies or above then it would make the lack of a VDI or tone alerts less of an issue. Basically you've got a machine there that's potential would probably be for fresh water or relic hunting. Perhaps coin hunting under very strict circumstances, such as sites that contain a lot of iron, might contain coins, but don't contain other non-ferrous trash.

Don't mean to offend or anything. Just asking some serious and yes somewhat skeptical questions. Best way to get to the meat of what a machine is all about.

 

[Critterhunter]

It is sounding like this is basically a machine that has PI depth and just barely some discrimination in the iron, foil, and perhaps slightly higher range...But below pull tabs. I wonder just how bad the falsing is in salt water like was mentioned, because if it has problems with that then that means that *possibly* it also has issues in certain other forms of mineralization that say a PI or a Minelab doesn't. I find it curious that they mention the falsing in salt water yet that it can handle iron rich clay. Makes me think (and maybe I'm wrong) that it was built/tuned for certain ground conditions but has problems adapting to others. Just a theory. Might be very wrong about that.

 

[Critterhunter]

There is a discussion going on in the beach forum on this machine if anybody is interested. Just thought I'd post a few messages here from it.

 

[Critterhunter]

Turns out this machine also doesn't have modulated audio, so is it 5" deep or 15" deep? A great sand hunter from the sound of it, but lacking a few features needed for land hunting such as tone alerts, or a vdi, or the ability to crank the discrimination high enough to kill everything below copper pennies. It can't be used in salt water so it won't replace a PI or a Minelab for that. Wonder how it compares to an Excal depth wise using PP mode?

 

[John(Tx)]

of this machine. I guess if I have to ask, I can't afford it......

 

[Critterhunter]

I think I heard somebody say it was over $1000, but how much more over that I have no idea.

 

[cuzzi25]

They're $1100 with 11" coil or $300 more and you get a 15" coil also. May seem pricey for a machine that will only be good for certain situations, but It could pay for itself fast with some old deep gold in the wet sand. Its not going to be an everyday machine but it seems as if it can shine in certain places. The Dual Field is my favorite detector but I sure wouldn't take it too far out of the water.