Nokta Impact ..What is it..when will it be released ??

[JinFL]

Nokta/Makro,

Having used the new Racer now for a few weeks, I would like to make a suggestion for the next generation Racer or Impact.

Although there are not as many detectorists that use the ALL-METAL mode for primary searching, and DISC mode is the generally norm, I (and others) prefer to use the threshold based ALL-METAL mode to try an obtain the best possible depth as possible.

As a general rule, setting up the threshold to a reasonably smooth & steady tone is key to hearing those faint rises in the threshold tone that can indicate a deep target.

Now, concerning the Racer, with only a GAIN (receive signal) adjustment it it very difficult to obtain the smoother & steady threshold that is required for successful threshold based ALL-METAL mode detecting. Even at ZERO Gain, it can be difficult adjusting the Racer for this type of detecting. Transmitting at a fixed transmit level all the time can cause threshold overload issues not noticed in silent search DISC mode. Please note that adjusting the threshold to either silent, or louder in volume can defeat the purpose of using this mode.

Suggestion #1: If both a Sensitivity (transmit) & Gain (receive) adjustment were added to a new detector the flexibility to adjust for a smoother & steady threshold could be more easily be obtained, and allow for a wider variety of locations to be searched/detected.

Suggestion #2: If BOTH transmit & receive level adjustments cannot be added due to software limitations, I would suggest a BEACH All-metal mode with reduced transmit levels similar to the DISC beach mode.

Thank you for reading my post.

J in FL

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Nokta/Makro,

Having used the new Racer now for a few weeks, I would like to make a suggestion for the next generation Racer or Impact.

Although there are not as many detectorists that use the ALL-METAL mode for primary searching, and DISC mode is the generally norm, I (and others) prefer to use the threshold based ALL-METAL mode to try an obtain the best possible depth as possible.

As a general rule, setting up the threshold to a reasonably smooth & steady tone is key to hearing those faint rises in the threshold tone that can indicate a deep target.

Now, concerning the Racer, with only a GAIN (receive signal) adjustment it it very difficult to obtain the smoother & steady threshold that is required for successful threshold based ALL-METAL mode detecting. Even at ZERO Gain, it can be difficult adjusting the Racer for this type of detecting. Transmitting at a fixed transmit level all the time can cause threshold overload issues not noticed in silent search DISC mode. Please note that adjusting the threshold to either silent, or louder in volume can defeat the purpose of using this mode.

Suggestion #1: If both a Sensitivity (transmit) & Gain (receive) adjustment were added to a new detector the flexibility to adjust for a smoother & steady threshold could be more easily be obtained, and allow for a wider variety of locations to be searched/detected.

Suggestion #2: If BOTH transmit & receive level adjustments cannot be added due to software limitations, I would suggest a BEACH All-metal mode with reduced transmit levels similar to the DISC beach mode.

Thank you for reading my post.

J in FL

Thank you so much for the feedback and your time! All shared with the engineers. We are confident that one of our future models will serve your needs.

 

[Bill_S]

Thoughts on notching. Other detectors have various ways to use notch discrimination, some you can notch each individual TID number, others let you notch a window and others let you notch certain categories. I was thinking about the racer and how the menu is setup and how you could make the notch work on it. I think this would be cool. Say you have a menu selection called notch. Under that you have notch accept, notch reject. Say you toggle to notch reject or accept choice. The default start spot would be say 0, you would start at 0. If you select notch reject and use the right arrow to move towards say the nickel area and stopped at number 50 then everything from 0-50 would be rejected. Now you toggle to the notch accept choice and the detector knows you left off on 50 in the notch reject so it starts at 51 you can then arrow over to say 60 and then choose the notch reject again. The detector knows you were at 60 so it starts to reject at 61. Get the idea. You could do this multiple times and setup as many little windows as you wanted. this way you could use the full range of ID's and notch in or out whatever you wanted. Then of course it would save your settings on exit so you don't have do do it all over again when you turned on the detector......;o)

 

[southFLdigger]

Nokta thank you for being there for the customer. Design a multi-frequency waterproof/ water-resistant digital VDI machine similar to your Racer/Fors Core with improved salt water depth and current dry land performance of your other machines and you'll own a very special segment of this market !

 

[ronhob]

Thoughts on notching. Other detectors have various ways to use notch discrimination, some you can notch each individual TID number, others let you notch a window and others let you notch certain categories. I was thinking about the racer and how the menu is setup and how you could make the notch work on it. I think this would be cool. Say you have a menu selection called notch. Under that you have notch accept, notch reject. Say you toggle to notch reject or accept choice. The default start spot would be say 0, you would start at 0. If you select notch reject and use the right arrow to move towards say the nickel area and stopped at number 50 then everything from 0-50 would be rejected. Now you toggle to the notch accept choice and the detector knows you left off on 50 in the notch reject so it starts at 51 you can then arrow over to say 60 and then choose the notch reject again. The detector knows you were at 60 so it starts to reject at 61. Get the idea. You could do this multiple times and setup as many little windows as you wanted. this way you could use the full range of ID's and notch in or out whatever you wanted. Then of course it would save your settings on exit so you don't have do do it all over again when you turned on the detector......;o)

I'm with you Bill! I do enjoy the ability to notch out specific number groups. This is really nice when time is limited and you want to get right down to business with finding as many good target items as possible. That is one of the features I loved on the DFX.-large spectrum of numbers to further separate target ID's and the ability to CHERRY-PICK specific #'s with precision.
I guess I was hoping to hear a little more about the IMPACT project by now. Wonder if Keith is testing one yet?

 

[Nokta Detectors]

Thoughts on notching. Other detectors have various ways to use notch discrimination, some you can notch each individual TID number, others let you notch a window and others let you notch certain categories. I was thinking about the racer and how the menu is setup and how you could make the notch work on it. I think this would be cool. Say you have a menu selection called notch. Under that you have notch accept, notch reject. Say you toggle to notch reject or accept choice. The default start spot would be say 0, you would start at 0. If you select notch reject and use the right arrow to move towards say the nickel area and stopped at number 50 then everything from 0-50 would be rejected. Now you toggle to the notch accept choice and the detector knows you left off on 50 in the notch reject so it starts at 51 you can then arrow over to say 60 and then choose the notch reject again. The detector knows you were at 60 so it starts to reject at 61. Get the idea. You could do this multiple times and setup as many little windows as you wanted. this way you could use the full range of ID's and notch in or out whatever you wanted. Then of course it would save your settings on exit so you don't have do do it all over again when you turned on the detector......;o)

I'm with you Bill! I do enjoy the ability to notch out specific number groups. This is really nice when time is limited and you want to get right down to business with finding as many good target items as possible. That is one of the features I loved on the DFX.-large spectrum of numbers to further separate target ID's and the ability to CHERRY-PICK specific #'s with precision.
I guess I was hoping to hear a little more about the IMPACT project by now. Wonder if Keith is testing one yet?

Hello...Impact is still in development and no test sample has been sent to any tester yet. Thank you for your patience.

 

[Bill_S]

You can send me a test sample if you want........

 

[El]

Please consider a pistol grip handle.

 

[Cal_Cobra]

I've never been a fan of notching, I like to use my brain to be the decisive factor whether to dig or not dig a target, BUT if you do implement a notch system, make it easy to use (not like the F75!!), and I like the idea of being able to notch single digits like the XLT or V3. My only concern about notch is that there are some detectors loose performance when using notch.

I do hope that you may be able to implement some or all of these features:

I've been using the Racer a lot. It's a great machine, albeit not perfect (no detector is). One thing that I'd really like to see is the TID numbering range changed. 0-40 for iron is a big range, IMHO it wastes a large part of the 0-99 range of numbering. I'm sure you've noticed many, many complaints that when the TID gets into the 80's, a LOT of targets fall into the 80-84 range, specitically the 82 range, which seems to be the bit bucket for the Racer. Shorten the iron numbering scale, and open up the higher conductor range so we have better intelligence on the targets. Most people aren't hunting for iron, their hunting for non-iron targets, so it would make better sense to have more data on non-ferrous targets.

An adjustable tone break
Iron audio volume

Keep the backlight as is (or make it with RED or GREEN LED, even better!!).
Keep the trigger
Change the rod configuration, a pistol grip is much more ergonomic/comfortable to swing. The S rod on the Racer isn't the most comfortable, although it's usable.

Keep the brilliant, simple user interface and great display.

A boost mode would be awesome.

If you take another stab at wireless headphones, use simple FM technology instead of BlueTooth. It's less power hungry and you wouldn't have to worry about lag, and it's far less expensive to implement.

Initially I thought that the lack of a last setting memory would be a PITA, but to be honest, as simple as the Racer is to setup, I've never had a second thought about having a last setting memory.

Make the Pro Pack with the fantastic 5" OOR coil and the 5x10" coil (or do like some of your other packages and include three coils).

Continue to employ the brilliant KISS strategy

If you need a field tester, I would be happy to join your field testing crew. I have many, many spots that I can put a detector through it's paces and provide feedback to your R&D dept.

Thanks for listening to your customers,
Brian

 

[Cal_Cobra]

Oh and one more thing (didnt Steve Jobs say that a time or two?)

A water proof, or at least water resistent (ala Fisher F44 for example) machine would be a GREAT bonus as well

Keep up the great work, I can't wait to see what the future holds for the Nokta/Makro family of detectors

HH,
Brian

 

[Cal_Cobra]

OK, maybe more than one more thing....

I've noticed on my Racer that the depth meter is all but useless. it's the worst I've used from any machine. It will generally report that any target is between 1-3 inches, even if it's 9" deep. It does not matter if it's a coin (any sized coin), bullet casing, lead bullet slug, anything reports the same. Luckily you get some indication of depth from the excellent audio, but the depth meter is kaput. If the meter is calibrated to a European coin, perhaps have a country code setting in there whereas the user can tell it what country it's being used in, and calibrate it to the standard coins of that country. Like in the U.S. I believe they are typically calibrated for a U.S. dime.

Also, IMHO, the pinpointing on the 11" DD is pretty off. Not sure if it could be a coil thing or what, as I've seen some post that the pinpointing was good on the Racer's 11" DD, but for me it's not. I've logged thousands of hours on my F75 using it's similar 11" DD and I can pinpoint with surgical precision on it, so something is amis on the Racer pinpointing using the 11" DD (works very well on the 5' DD....but then again, it's so small it should).

Just thinking out loud on ways to improve your current technology for implementation into future generations of machines that may share like technological platforms/software.

Thanks for listening

 

[eSCANZ]

I don 't see the difficulty involved in a notch system integration into an existing format. Lets face it , Nokta and Makro are connected. I think the Impact is much closer to a reality than people are being led to believe---just sayin...............

Hello... just to clarify..The Impact project is not just about adding a notch system to an existing format.
Impact is the name of a different detector in terms of looks as well as features.
As the manufacturer, we are not leading any customer to believe anything in terms of how close or far away we are for launching the product.
All we have been saying that it is still in development and as you can imagine we cannot be discussing all the steps of a new product development project on a public forum.

That is refreshing news to my ears -

The last thing we need is another manufacturer who keeps reeling out the detectors each time they change a coil plug or a headphone socket - Best IMO to implement various features into a new unit than keep changing the unit every time you have an idea - Take the Teknetics Delta 4000 for example = 3 versions and bugga all difference -

Thankfully it appears Nokta have their head screwed on right when it comes to launching new gear -

 

[eSCANZ]

here we go again.........

 

[Hardrock65]

I agree!

 

[undrpar]

Cal , the depth reading on my racer is pretty spot on..