But don't feel bad,a lot of one knobber guys find it too complicated.MIne's paid for itself so many times over,i've lost count.What I enjoy most however is following the field tester type guys after they've removed the clad and getting the deep stuff.It took me 6 months to a year to figure out the first spectrum.So I know how hard it is for you 1-hour try and trash guys it must be learn.I'm getting an image of a monkey playing with a computer right now.But after all,the simple-turn on and go machines are made for guys who have trouble understanding all those fluffy settings.Wish I could hunt with you just once Tom,cuz you'd be amazed at what you've left on some of your favorite sites.
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Actually Pap.I found knowing the XLT in and out made the DFX very easy to learn.I can't imagine these one knobber fly by night field tester/trashers turning a DFX on for 10 minutes and understanding the first thing about one.JUst figuring out how to turn it on must be a chore for them.
Jackpine Savage
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So don't make comments like "you one hour try and trash guys" I do not like or appreciate that. "monkey at a keyboard" So its down to name calling. I won't stoop that low, anyone that resorts to that type of comment is beneath me so I won't even reply.
My how quickly you revert to personal attacks. I have read your past posts and replies to others that disagree on the DFX. It shows what kind of person you are Dave.
So sad that anyone can get so worked up over a detector that they stoop too such.
Don't bother replying Dave as you don't deserve any more comment from me.
My how quickly you revert to personal attacks. I have read your past posts and replies to others that disagree on the DFX. It shows what kind of person you are Dave.
So sad that anyone can get so worked up over a detector that they stoop too such.
Don't bother replying Dave as you don't deserve any more comment from me.
hey different strokes for different folks..
was at local white dealer and one employee uses an MXT by choice.
he showed me how easy it was to set up MXT and go. just got a DFX aprox. a week ago and are in middle of learning DFX.
there's difinately a steep learning curve that some folks simply don't want or need to deal with. Whites' manual could be better written to help newbie's like me to better get up to speed.
it's intimadating trying to learn 30 or so settings all at once. complicating things further is when you change one setting, it may well effect another.
not much question all this flexibilty is a double edge sword.
was at local white dealer and one employee uses an MXT by choice.
he showed me how easy it was to set up MXT and go. just got a DFX aprox. a week ago and are in middle of learning DFX.
there's difinately a steep learning curve that some folks simply don't want or need to deal with. Whites' manual could be better written to help newbie's like me to better get up to speed.
it's intimadating trying to learn 30 or so settings all at once. complicating things further is when you change one setting, it may well effect another.
not much question all this flexibilty is a double edge sword.
already on lower rods that I like to use on the MXT, and I have the sites where I try to evaluate any new detector that comes out.
I hunt with several fellows (and one gal) who are VERY SUCCESSFUL with their Minelab Explorer XS's and II's. There are some things I like about the Explorer's abilities, but not the weight and balance.
I have two good friends who are very loyal XLT users, and that's another models that I personally like a lot. One prefers to use the Tone ID most of the time but he's coming around to learning his XLT. The other is a kick to go hunting with because she's so successful ... mainly because she doesn't put full faith in the Tone or visual ID. She uses those features, but takes more of a 'Beep-DIG!' approach.
One good hunting buddy, like me, prefers the XL Pro over the digital display White's and we both do well along side others with newer models at 2 or 3 times what we paid.
I even have a friend who likes his Garrett and finds some good stuff, now and then, with it. I like the physical packaging, but it just doesn't cut it with me.
Three others I hunt with monthly have been relying on their MXT's since shortly after they came out. They, too, have their days of good success, and as I have siad, I like the MXT's manual controls but I do not like the noisy operatiomn and a couple of little design issues. I respect it as a capable unit.
While I do not own a DFX anymore, I have a fridnd who will loan me his whe I want to play around some more, and a dealer friend who encourages me to take any of his display & demo models out for 'test drives' for a few days at a time. The three I had just didn't work well for me in the areas where I usually hunt. I like the clearer display to the XLT's and I definitely like the quick mode change over the XLT's delay, so I still try and get warmed up to the DFX, but it's a struggle. None of them work for me. I just don't care for the performance or functions,
Several of the friends I hunt with also own a Classic ID or IDX model because they work. They ave their place.
So I like to be able to try new detectors and see what might work for me and perhaps be something I want to have in my personal battery. Aong the way I realize that not everyone has my same wants or needs, and there are makes and models they prefer. That's fine with me. Even those who appear to be way overly defensive about the DFX are sometimes annoying, but they can use what they like and works for them.
What annoys me is reading posts made by dealers who are known to be overly wrapped up in themselves and tend to over-promote a new model they are working with. Or individuals who are quick to post how other posters, to include ME, are wrong to judge a product based upon ads and photos, but that is exactly some of the information we have to use in making a detector decision. And in postsing that we are quick to judge they, too, are quickly judging.
For me, the MXT has just 2 or 3 issues I would like to have seen addressed. I would like to have seen a slightly improved MXT, call it an MXT 'Pro' if they wanted, and even price it $50 to $100 mode, but make it better than what it is. Instead, they are giving us a sorts of stripped-down MXT concept detector with more limited versatility. But, who knows? maybe it will work OK? maybe it will satisfy a lot of typical coin hunters? Maybe it is a slick was to set the gameplan to eventually bring out a Matrix M7 which would be an MXT-like model with the three modes, quieter operation (one I wanted addressed) but have Tone ID?
Sorry to ramble. I have my 8" DD and 4
I hunt with several fellows (and one gal) who are VERY SUCCESSFUL with their Minelab Explorer XS's and II's. There are some things I like about the Explorer's abilities, but not the weight and balance.
I have two good friends who are very loyal XLT users, and that's another models that I personally like a lot. One prefers to use the Tone ID most of the time but he's coming around to learning his XLT. The other is a kick to go hunting with because she's so successful ... mainly because she doesn't put full faith in the Tone or visual ID. She uses those features, but takes more of a 'Beep-DIG!' approach.
One good hunting buddy, like me, prefers the XL Pro over the digital display White's and we both do well along side others with newer models at 2 or 3 times what we paid.
I even have a friend who likes his Garrett and finds some good stuff, now and then, with it. I like the physical packaging, but it just doesn't cut it with me.
Three others I hunt with monthly have been relying on their MXT's since shortly after they came out. They, too, have their days of good success, and as I have siad, I like the MXT's manual controls but I do not like the noisy operatiomn and a couple of little design issues. I respect it as a capable unit.
While I do not own a DFX anymore, I have a fridnd who will loan me his whe I want to play around some more, and a dealer friend who encourages me to take any of his display & demo models out for 'test drives' for a few days at a time. The three I had just didn't work well for me in the areas where I usually hunt. I like the clearer display to the XLT's and I definitely like the quick mode change over the XLT's delay, so I still try and get warmed up to the DFX, but it's a struggle. None of them work for me. I just don't care for the performance or functions,
Several of the friends I hunt with also own a Classic ID or IDX model because they work. They ave their place.
So I like to be able to try new detectors and see what might work for me and perhaps be something I want to have in my personal battery. Aong the way I realize that not everyone has my same wants or needs, and there are makes and models they prefer. That's fine with me. Even those who appear to be way overly defensive about the DFX are sometimes annoying, but they can use what they like and works for them.
What annoys me is reading posts made by dealers who are known to be overly wrapped up in themselves and tend to over-promote a new model they are working with. Or individuals who are quick to post how other posters, to include ME, are wrong to judge a product based upon ads and photos, but that is exactly some of the information we have to use in making a detector decision. And in postsing that we are quick to judge they, too, are quickly judging.
For me, the MXT has just 2 or 3 issues I would like to have seen addressed. I would like to have seen a slightly improved MXT, call it an MXT 'Pro' if they wanted, and even price it $50 to $100 mode, but make it better than what it is. Instead, they are giving us a sorts of stripped-down MXT concept detector with more limited versatility. But, who knows? maybe it will work OK? maybe it will satisfy a lot of typical coin hunters? Maybe it is a slick was to set the gameplan to eventually bring out a Matrix M7 which would be an MXT-like model with the three modes, quieter operation (one I wanted addressed) but have Tone ID?
Sorry to ramble. I have my 8" DD and 4
As I sit here at my computer, with temperatures in the single digits, I got to thinking about the upcoming Matrix M6. I notice that lots of folks are comparing it to the MXT. I suppose that is because of the frequency and interchangeability of the coils with the MXT. And, as with the XL Pro, IDX, QXT, Classics etc, I do like that concept. However, based on the very limited information we have access to, maybe we can keep our fingers crossed that it was Whites intention to produce the Matrix M6 as a digital version of our recently departed XL Pro! 
Lets see..... silent search or threshold tone.... no relic mode..... no prospecting mode..... adjustable discrimination control...... auto Trac ground balancing..... HMMMMMMMM! HH Randy
Lets see..... silent search or threshold tone.... no relic mode..... no prospecting mode..... adjustable discrimination control...... auto Trac ground balancing..... HMMMMMMMM! HH Randyand we'll see how it does.
Personally, I don't think you need 7 audio tones, but it is nice to have a better 'spread' of audio for the upper-end coin range. For a $700 model geared especially toward the coin hunter they have a nicer tone split on the lower end but bunch coins on the upper.
The X-Terra 50, at the same suggested retail, is such a 'fun' coinshooter to use with the 4 audio tones with useable upper-end splits that it will be interesting to see how the Matrix M6 will compare.
Also, while it is easy for a one-handed 'on-the-fly' selection of Tone ID on single-tone response with the M6, the X-Terra 50 lets you 'one-hand' (thumb-press) shift from an All Metal (zero disc) accept to a pattern 1 user discriminate setting
and quickly to a pattern 2 discriminate setting.
For me, it's not a matter of will the Matrix M6 replace an MXT which I don't have, or the XL Pro, which I am not going to part with, but with the stock coil and the great Excelerator coils I like, how will it fair up against the Minelab X-Terra 50? It needs to be a combination of performance, versatility for my types of sites, and retain a high level of 'fan factor' while doing so.
Time will tell. Thge XL Pro, however, is not going to be bumped as I can not fathom the Matrix M6 handling highly mineralized ground at a faster sweep speed to 'cruise' a site in search of former habitation or activity.
Monte
Personally, I don't think you need 7 audio tones, but it is nice to have a better 'spread' of audio for the upper-end coin range. For a $700 model geared especially toward the coin hunter they have a nicer tone split on the lower end but bunch coins on the upper.
The X-Terra 50, at the same suggested retail, is such a 'fun' coinshooter to use with the 4 audio tones with useable upper-end splits that it will be interesting to see how the Matrix M6 will compare.
Also, while it is easy for a one-handed 'on-the-fly' selection of Tone ID on single-tone response with the M6, the X-Terra 50 lets you 'one-hand' (thumb-press) shift from an All Metal (zero disc) accept to a pattern 1 user discriminate setting
and quickly to a pattern 2 discriminate setting.
For me, it's not a matter of will the Matrix M6 replace an MXT which I don't have, or the XL Pro, which I am not going to part with, but with the stock coil and the great Excelerator coils I like, how will it fair up against the Minelab X-Terra 50? It needs to be a combination of performance, versatility for my types of sites, and retain a high level of 'fan factor' while doing so.
Time will tell. Thge XL Pro, however, is not going to be bumped as I can not fathom the Matrix M6 handling highly mineralized ground at a faster sweep speed to 'cruise' a site in search of former habitation or activity.
Monte
I also have a full arsenal of coils for both my XL Pro and my MXT. OEM for the XL Pro and both OEM and 3 Excellerators for my MXT. I would have preferred that they built the new models on the same frequency as the Pros that seemed to have been cast aside. But, regardless, I can sleep at night knowing I will have ample coils if and when it comes time for me to try one out. HH Randy