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New Whites Detector
- Thread starter TnGroundhog
- Start date
because I hunt in motion all metal accept a LOT. And for jewelry hunting some locations it might also help out a little, too.
"I agree that most TID detectors are aimed at coin hunters. Bunched up? Looks like plenty of numbers to me!"... I wasn't referring to the numeric readings but to how the higher coins are all 'bunched up' into one audio tone class.
"You do a lot of barkchip and playground hunting, does this not appeal to you at all?"... Yes, the M6 has my interest, but I will have to see if it has the performance. There are times and places where some would like more audio definition in tones at the lower-end, but many times where it is preferred at the upper-end for typical coin hunters. Remember, it is supposed to do battle with the other models in the $700 price range!
"I can only assume that the M6 operates at the same frequency as the MXT, why not make use of its great sensitivity to small low conductors in a way that works with tone ID????"... Good questions, and that is what will remain to be seen afield.
"Like I said a very novel setup which should prove very useful to quite a few detectorists."... I am sure there will be a number of buyers-and-tryers reporting on it soon.
Still, while I hunt a lot in iron littered sites I don't need more than one iron audio tone for most situations.
Monte
"I agree that most TID detectors are aimed at coin hunters. Bunched up? Looks like plenty of numbers to me!"... I wasn't referring to the numeric readings but to how the higher coins are all 'bunched up' into one audio tone class.
"You do a lot of barkchip and playground hunting, does this not appeal to you at all?"... Yes, the M6 has my interest, but I will have to see if it has the performance. There are times and places where some would like more audio definition in tones at the lower-end, but many times where it is preferred at the upper-end for typical coin hunters. Remember, it is supposed to do battle with the other models in the $700 price range!
"I can only assume that the M6 operates at the same frequency as the MXT, why not make use of its great sensitivity to small low conductors in a way that works with tone ID????"... Good questions, and that is what will remain to be seen afield.
"Like I said a very novel setup which should prove very useful to quite a few detectorists."... I am sure there will be a number of buyers-and-tryers reporting on it soon.
Still, while I hunt a lot in iron littered sites I don't need more than one iron audio tone for most situations.
Monte
that it is a two-filter type unit.
No threshold/tuner control so is it silent search?
Both the Classic series and the Prizm series are slow-motion types, but....
The Classic's have an excellent quick response and recovery speed while the Prizm's have more of a delayed-response and recovery is not as quick. What is the new Matrix M6 like?
I am glad it operates at a higher frequency to use the MXT & DFX coils, now we just have to try one and see what sort of performance is really there!
Monte[
No threshold/tuner control so is it silent search?
Both the Classic series and the Prizm series are slow-motion types, but....
The Classic's have an excellent quick response and recovery speed while the Prizm's have more of a delayed-response and recovery is not as quick. What is the new Matrix M6 like?
I am glad it operates at a higher frequency to use the MXT & DFX coils, now we just have to try one and see what sort of performance is really there!
Monte[
Ralph Bryant
New member
If it was, I would sure like to hear from someone who got one of the machines to tell us exactly what they were told to say by Minelab. I hate pure "hype" as much a anyone, but from reading the reviews, I've seen the good and the bad mentioned, not just a bunch of incredible claims. I didn't look on the Xterras as some fantastic leap in performance in what is already on the market as much as I did an improvement in the combination of the "features" that it offers and the simplicity applied in putting them all together into one package.....function vs. performance. I also don't particularly care who's name is on the machine as long as it works well for my purposes. I'm like many others who like some features on some machines, and some on others. When someone comes along and puts all of the features I'm interested on one machine while offering good performance and keeping it simple in the process, that's what really gets my attention when I'm ready to try something new. Doesn't matter who makes the machine, how they market it, who gets a demo for free, or even how much it costs within reason. If it does what I want it to do performance wise, and I enjoy using the machine feature wise, that's good enough for me.
dirtfisher
New member
Guys, This is just my opinion so relax...I am disappointed that Whites discontinued the Pro Series. I think they should have kept them and improved them to include Tone ID, Battery Icon, Backlight, and Depth Indicator. I am not alone in this. There have been a lot of USERS not DEALERS who have been throwing some BIG hints to Whites about what they want. A whole lot of us have a complete arsenal of coils that we have used with the Pro Series and the XLT that will be useless on this new machine. Also, It seems that hobbyists like detectors in "series" such as Classic II, Classic III, Classic IDX etc. I personally dont like isolated machines with random names (like Fisher and Tesoro are doing.) I have been an exclusive Whites user for 20 years but I probably wont get this new machine. Also just to be nit picky I dont like its looks,... especially the coil. Having the DFX, MXT, with "Eclipse Coils" is just fine, but please dont take away our 6.59 kh machines!
I have LOTS of coils that will continue to be used on my XL Pro. Call me "old school", but it is going to be tough to beat accuracy and sensitivity of the analog meter on the XL Pro. I may end up trying the M6 someday. But, in the meantime, I am going to take extra good care of my XL Pros, hoping they last as long as I am able to detect. HH Randy
You don't really need this detector.I think they were listening to the users.It uses the same coils as the DFX and MXT.Times change,chips hold more info and get faster.I know guys still like the XLpro and XLT.BUT,the xlpro's electronics were designed in the early 80's and then upgraded.The XLT first came out as the spectrum in 1990.It's guts were most likely put together in the mid to late 80's.That's 15 to 25 year old electronics on those two machines.There are Manufacturers now with more detectors comming out almost daily.The technology and depth improves with them.I liked the old Radio Shack BFO detector I had in 1970,but it's time has come and gone.Dave
Ralph Bryant
New member
I'm not sure I would agree with newer machines getting better depth. I think most of us who have been at this game for alot of years (35+ years myself), know that better depth and better depth "claims" are two different things. We can take most all of the upper-end machines from all of the combined manufacturers and in side-by-side tests with like-sized coils see very minor differences in detection ranges in decent ground. But if we were to believe all of the "30% deeper" claims we've seen year after year with each new model release since the 1960s, we'd be digging 5 foot holes on dimes by now.
Ralph
Ralph
I got my first detector in 1969.It was a radio that had to be tuned between two stations.It was hooked up to a shaft and a coil.When you went over metal,it beeped.Next I had a BFO,then a coinmaster 6000,6000d,6000dipro,1280 aquanaut,Cz20,6,6a,7,7apro,Spectrum,3 XLT's,DFX and a Prizm 5.Depth has gotten better on EVERY new top of the line detector I have bought.In the 70'I got about 3-5" on coins,1 to 2"on beaches.In the 80's got about 4-6" on coins.Fishers and XLTs,about 6-8" on coins.WIth the DFX I have dug large cents at 13-14",penny's and dimes at the 9-12" range.With the 10-12" penny's and dimes comming with the 1400dd coil.MId range detectors are a different animal.They cost half as much as the top end machines and should not be expected to go as deep.Dave
Ralph Bryant
New member
The Nautilus DMC IIb costs about half as much too. Price has nothing to do with performance, purely a subjective matter and what the manufacturer can supply for the price at a fair profit. Of course manufacturers want us all to equate depth with price. That's what sells the machines, along with added bells and whistles that may or may not affect performance. There is nothing especially magical about 10-12 inch pennys and dimes with a 14 inch coil. To keep it objective, we really need to compare performance with like-sized coils. There have been many machines introduced through the years with "exceptional depth" claims while failing to mention the fact that their 10 or 11 inch stock coils are mostly to credit. There's just so much you can do within the realms of physics.
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Ralph Bryant
New member
Amen. Neither does complexity equate to performance. I get a kick out of some guys running around thinking machines with a dozen knobs, buttons, and switches make them somehow look smart, while the other guy with just one knob on his machine is cleaning the other guys clock with his number of finds. Any control function or feature is only important if it is useful or needed. Beyond that, it's all clutter and decoration, or something to keep your mind off the targets you're not finding.
Ralph
Ralph
Jackpine Savage
Active member
made it clear they would not accept the detector if they could not post honest reviews and ML still went ahead and sent them out to them along with the go ahead to post the good along with any bad.
Thats a FACT!
Tom
Thats a FACT!
Tom
Jim McCulloch
New member
Since I have some "insider" info on the M6, I know you will be pleased with it. Sort of a blend of a stripped-down MXT (one mode instead of three) and the XL Pro. Compared to the MXT, as a coin hunter, the M6 offers smoother operation, 7 tone ID, and VASTLY (yeah, repeat, VASTLY) better salt water beach performance. Depth is really good. NO, as a truly "multi-purpose" machine, it does not compare to the MXT, but it will suit many users perfectly. Hope this helps; HH jim
Jim McCulloch
New member
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