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DeepTech

New Vaquero and question

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knightsquad

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Hey everyone, how's it going?

Just bought a Vaquero two days ago and love it so far! Actually I worked the midnight
shift and then ran up to Kellyco to get it! haha Didn't get to bed till late that afternoon! LOL
Talk about excited!

Anyway just a quick question on GB. I just went up to the local football fields/skateboard areas
for some practice with the "V" and upon ground balancing I really didn't get much change in threshold
sound no matter where I set the GB knob! Could that be so? I was all the way left with the knob and
all the way right but the threshold sounded the same.

If this is so, then where would I put the GB knob? All the way left or right or some where in the middle?

Kind of confusing... And is ground balancing only if you are going to use the All Metal mode or do you
need to GB even if you are going into Disc mode?

I did find 20 pennies, two quarters and 6 dimes so the detector was working ok but this GB
has me wondering now...

Thanks guys
Pete
 
Hi Pete, best thing to do is google youtube video's on ground balancing a Vaquero. Alot easier to watch how it is done than trying to explain it. Very easy to do after doing it a couple times. Congrats on the Vaq. I just got one myself. Steve.
 
I do believe that all current model tesoros have a 33/4 turn.So half of 33/4 is mid way.Just think if you had a older tesoro,which has a 10 turn GB.Have fun winding that to middle position.You need to ground balance over some different dirt.You were most likely over some type of mineral free sand that acted like air.I guess in your situation you would want to be near middle position. :-D
 
Keep in mind, too, that these are MY answers and MY comments, but they are based on nearly half-a-century of metal detecting, working in the industry, and also dealing with, or hearing from, many people who have had some unpleasant and frustrating experiences with old units or even newly acquired detectors.

knightsquad said:
Hey everyone, how's it going?
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Not too bad, considering some newer product literature introduces unwanted and unneeded terminology for the industry that and confuse many long-term hobbyists. Then some Tesoro users tout operating modes and/or display control terms incorrectly on forums that cause some readers to think there is some sort of new operating function that nobody knows about. On a positive note teh weather is turning more spring-like and detecting opportunities are better. :thumbup:

knightsquad said:
Just bought a Vaquero two days ago and love it so far! Actually I worked the midnight shift and then ran up to Kellyco to get it! haha Didn't get to bed till late that afternoon! LOL Talk about excited!
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It's always good to be excited about a new detector, especially when you just pick it up from a dealer. No wait-time.

knightsquad said:
Anyway just a quick question on GB. I just went up to the local football fields/skateboard areas for some practice with the "V" and upon ground balancing I really didn't get much change in threshold sound no matter where I set the GB knob! Could that be so?
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Question: Are you familiar with manually Ground Balancing a detector, or is this your first time at it? Remember, the Vaquero is a silent-search Discriminate type detector and must be in the clicked All Metal mode to hear the Threshold hum an to do a typical Ground Balance.

Make sure the Discriminate knob is clicked into the All Metal mode at full clockwise rotation. Next, hold the search coil about 8" off the ground and adjust the Threshold control for a slight audio hum. Then, listening to that hum, lower the search coil toward the ground, down to about
 
To keep it simple. Just rotate GB knob 4 turns to the left then 2 turns to the right. Put it in All Metal, set a low thrresh hold, then bob the coil, move it up and down, from ground level to about 10 inches. If you get an increase in tone as your coil goes down, your too positive and you need to turn the GB knob counter clockwise in 1/4 turn increments. If you get an increase in tone as your coil is lifted, your too negative and you need to turn the GB knob clockwise in 1/4 turn increments. Continue this until you have no change in the tone in the up or down motion. I think I did a basic video on this a couple years ago, just search '53silver in Youtube.
 
Thank you everyone for all of the responses. Yes I am very familiar with ground balancing. I have detected before so that's why I am thinking there might be something wrong. I will try it again This morning and see how it goes. Damn I hope there's not something wrong with this thing.
Before purchasing I have seen almost every video out there on the Vaquero and especially super tuning and setting ground balance.
I will try it again this morning out in my yard and see what happens.
Thank you very much guys, I will be back to let you know how it goes.
Pete
 
OK, now I'm even more baffled...
Just went outside and re-tried and here is what I'm getting..

All metal mode (all the way left and CLICKED in)
Sensitivity - 7ish
Threshold to soft audible but steady sound..
Ground balance half way between full negative and full positive..

Searched a spot with NO hits detected at all.

I turned the GB all the way left till drag is felt and then in quick 1/4 turn (right) advances with a pause between
each advance I could definitely hear a sharp loud increase in Threshold all the way to full Positive.

Back to the half way mark now, when I raise and lower the coil to the ground I am not hearing
any difference when I turn the GB either left or right.

This is definitely not right. Even if I set GB all the way right when I raise and lower coil the threshold doesn't sound bad..

Anyone near me here in FL that take a look at it would be awesome or somehow I can video this with my iphone..?

53 Silver, saw ALL of your VIds and absolutley LOVE EM! Thanks buddy...
 
knightsquad said:
I turned the GB all the way left till drag is felt and then in quick 1/4 turn (right) advances with a pause between
each advance I could definitely hear a sharp loud increase in Threshold all the way to full Positive.
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This is as I mention in my post below, and it shows that the GB is at least working to change a setting.

knightsquad said:
This is definitely not right. Even if I set GB all the way right when I raise and lower coil the threshold doesn't sound bad..
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The only way this would happen, so you have a "threshold that doesn't sound bad" is a suggestion that you might have some of that very close to neutral Florida sand (maybe dirt) under your coil. I'd still want to compare that Vaquero with another in your area, or take another drive to Kellyco and compare it with their display Vaquero. Once YOU feel comfortable with its behavior, things will be fine.

Monte
 
Monte,

Thanks so much for your help buddy. Your responses are very in depth and I like that!
Good Job.

I think a good test will be to get near the beach and some wet sand and see what happens!

What ever transpires I will let you all know for future reference!

THANKS GUYS!
Pete

OH! Monte, If this is in fact the case where should I run the GB then? Like you said, all the way right
and then backed off 3/4 turn or so?
 
Yup saw that video too but my machine does nothing
like that at all.
But like I said if I hold the machine up and
turn the GB knob in quick 1/4 or 1/2 turn increments
the threshold changes momentarily but not when I
raise and lower it to the ground .

Very weird unless this ground it totally void of
of any mineralization which is kind of doubtful no?

I'll have to keep trying it in different areas. I'm sure
all of Florida is like that ! Haha
 
knightsquad,

The Vaquero has a very fast retune in all-metal, just move the coil up and down quickly when doing the GB. If you move the coil up and down slowly the threshold retunes to it's initial setting and you will not hear a change. Hope that does not add to the confusion, HH.
 
Doing it at both speeds ( fast and slow) no change in Threshold sound...

I have to go out today and find a spot where this works. I'm very concerned now.
 
If you live that close to Kellyco, just take it back. Tell them your concerns and swap it with another, if the "problem" persists thenyou know its the soil.
 
I just called Kellyco and couldn't get to a Sales Rep, they were all on phones.
The girl said that since I got it jst a few days ago that they might be able to swap
it out but not sure till I talk to a sales rep first.
It's not like they are right around the corner but two hours away but if I cant figure
this out then yeh that's what I'll do.
Just came from another spot, found two quarters and two dimes but I still had the
same problems...
 
That Florida soil is neutral.Pump the coil.I bet it is a case of neutral soil.I got some very neutral soil in S.Carolina.The vaquero has a very good ground balance.Very easy to work with.Keep checking it out.You may have a problem,but more than likely the soil is void of minerals.The south east is good for neutral soil. :-D
 
go get a red brick and try ground balancing againe if it ground balances then your soils is nutral like spirit relick said now go get a red brick
 
Spirit!
That's exactly what I'm thinking it is too!
I'll keep testing it and like I said I know the GB circuit is hooked up
because of the sounds I get when I quickly change the settings while in the air..

What does the Red brick do? Why is is mineralized so much?
 
knightsquad said:
What does the Red brick do? Why is is mineralized so much?
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Needs to be a real clay brick and not one made from cement. The red clay has iron content and should not react like air when you try to ground balance to it. You could also get a ferrite bead at a good electronics store and see if the detector will ground balance to the ferrite bead.
 
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