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New scoop from Reilly's................................

After looking at the pictures of this scoop, the welds are not uniformed at all, This was due to the gap in between the brace and bucket. So the penetration to the metal is questionable. I would think the manufacturer of this scoop would want it back for this reason alone. JMO
 
I do the welding at Reilly's! The stainless is all Tig'ed with a Lincon 205 Invert .at 85 to 90 amps. We do use a Mig(Miller 350P) on some scoops but ss is always tig'ed. Like my boss (Kevin ) said we stand behind our scoops. The scoop in the picture is stianless steel and has been built for many years. There is plenty of penetration! We got one scoop (The same style) back from "UPS" that they ran over with a truck or forklift. It was completely flatened the nose of the scoop. No welds broke!. I ended up cutting the welds on the front support strap ,reformed it close to round and rewelded the strap. We gave the scoop to a freind a few years ago to help him out to get him started in the hobby. He still uses it today and still nothing has broke. Good hunting ,Joe
 
Joe,

The only scoop in question is the $200.00 one in the pic. If you do the welding then there is no way you as a welder could be satisfied with the workmanship of this particular scoop. JMO
 
Teacup. Those welds will not be giving you a problem with normal use. Recognize that it IS an aluminum scoop and therefore NOT suited to digging much in rock. They may be unsightly and if that is cause for distress I'm sure someone will give ya decent price for a used scoop. I have an RTG just like yours. The weld on mine goes all the way across though.
 
GaBeachsweeper said:
Teacup. Those welds will not be giving you a problem with normal use. Recognize that it IS an aluminum scoop and therefore NOT suited to digging much in rock. They may be unsightly and if that is cause for distress I'm sure someone will give ya decent price for a used scoop. I have an RTG just like yours. The weld on mine goes all the way across though.
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Read the ENTIRE thread. Including the response from RTG - that is a STEEL scoop. NOT aluminum. So, your comment that it is "not suited to digging much in rock" is not necessarily the case.

You said on your scoop the weld goes all the way across the top. If you read RTG's response, they do that with all aluminum scoops, but not steel.

Personally, I think any scoop that goes out should be given the extra few minutes it would take to do a complete weld.

Stacey
 
Stacey,

I agree with you 100%. It isn't that this scoop cost $29.99. Personally, I feel quality and workmanship should be a #1 priority with every scoop being made because of the abuse they take and the price you have to pay. You can weld an inch at a time starting on each side going back an forth until you have a complete weld so there is no warping. If the weld on this scoop would have went all the way across so you couldn't see the gaps, or just looked better this topic would not exist. JMO
 
Although I don't think it looks as I would want it to, the main thing is they are the pros in this area and stand behind their product. I'm not a welder so I stand corrected about the quality. If Max says it will hold then I know it will hold. After I pay my home owners insurance I will be ordering one just a tad smaller.
 
Kevin and I discussed this before. If you run a solid weld it may get cracks. The bucket does flax so we figured the small welds would be better on stainless steel(none magnetic). We put the strap on it to support the handle weld area. This is where most cracks occurs. We have been doing this system for years and have not had any problems so we see no reason to change it. Once again if you have a problem with a scoop let us know and it will get fixed . I am sure if you have a problem with the way it looks let Kevin know when you order it and I will run a full bead. Thank you,Joe
 
Joe Kononchik said:
Kevin and I discussed this before. If you run a solid weld it may get cracks. The bucket does flax so we figured the small welds would be better on stainless steel(none magnetic). We put the strap on it to support the handle weld area. This is where most cracks occurs. We have been doing this system for years and have not had any problems so we see no reason to change it. Once again if you have a problem with a scoop let us know and it will get fixed . I am sure if you have a problem with the way it looks let Kevin know when you order it and I will run a full bead. Thank you,Joe
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FAIR ENOUGH !!!

By the way, I would try to get the brace as tight fit to the bucket as possible(no gaps), you will cut down metal fatigue due to flex and a lot less possibility of cracks no matter what type of metal you use because you are making it as close to solid as possible. Thanks for reading and replying back. :thumbup:
 
I am a welder and to look at that job I would not let it pass to be sold, when I make my scoops I make sure that the materials are close to each other. Also if your worried about heat stitch it and let it cool down then go back at it again until fully covered other wise unnecessary junk gets in and you will have some kind of reaction with the metal causing it to break down prematurely
SEND IT BACK !!
 
Not too mutch Heat on a Mig wellder I dont think its needed, Thear Cutting the coast $$$$$$
Thanks I will do some reserch befor I buy, Not paying good $$$$$ for that, Mic
 
It should not matter what metal is being welded, it is the quality of weld that I was looking at, Aluminum, SS or Carbon steel all take different types of welds and rods or wire which ever the case. Uniformity of the weld, the start and stops should be with out heat puddles in them, no undercut or overlap, which all three are present in that weld. Here is a pic. of some SS welds and how Tig machines are used. There is a trick called walking the cup that will help keep your bead even and smoother and uniform Thur out the weld. Now take into account that I worked in the Nuclear Power Plants where all welds were x-rayed and had to be 100% without fault. With all this being said the weld on that scoop will more than likely out last the scoop. In plain talk it is not pretty.

With all this discussion on the subject of welds, I am sure Kevin and Joe will check each scoop closely before it leaves their shop, and that means a better product for their company and there customers, I may be one soon.

A STAINLESS STEEL WELD, VERY UNIFORM ON EACH OF THE BEADS, AND NO I DIDN'T WELD THIS
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FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NEVER SEEN A TIG WELDER AT WORK
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