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New Nokta Impact pictures.

Stoof-tabsallday said:
Thanks Monte.
And yes that's the idea.... Interested in the pointer and wanted the core since before I got my relic. Oregongreg says he loves his core and when I was shopping I opted for the relic for the expanded nonferrous zone and extra features, but still interested in the core for the khz difference and it's ergonomics.
But the bonus pointer and covers is a definite great deal.
:)
Yes, the bonus items are definitely worth it. All my FORS series units have the weather covers on, and when one is in-hand, the Nokta Pointer is on my gear belt.

After using the FORS CoRe for a year and being very comfortable with it in my arsenal as my #1 all-purpose detector, getting the prototype that had a few new and 'functional' adjustment choices and a slightly higher operating frequency was 'intriguing,' I guess you could say. I was familiar with the excellent weight and balance, really liked the search coil choices I had been using, so it wasn't just a matter of working with a prototype to learn what it might offer, but working with myself to see if I could still discern any usefulness for it and observe any noteworthy behavior.

Well, I quickly discovered both of us, the Relic prototype & I, were up to the task at hand! :thumbup: I have maintained an assortment of detectors in my personal arsenal that spanned the common or popular operating frequency range from about 6.6 kHz to 15 kHz for several decades, and in recent years have bumped some of my model picks from the higher 19 kHz selections. The 14 kHz Racer series and 15 kHz CoRe were an excellent 'fit' in my arsenal and replaced some ± 14 kHz models and 19 kHz models I owned.

I had been less than thrilled with most of the in-the-field performance of the competitor's 19 kHz detectors because while they worked, generally, they didn't handle a lot of iron sites very well, and they showed a dramatic decrease in performance on higher-conductive coins and trade tokens, and other desired artifacts. I was often resorting to a pair of units I used, at ± 14 kHz and 7.[size=small]8[/size] kHz, in densely iron plagued locations over the 19 kHz offerings. I knew it wasn't just a matter of the frequency of operation, but the guts of the detector and how well it had been engineered to perform in a wide-range of hunting applications.

Last December I started working with the 19 kHz FORS Gold + and it smoked the other 19 kHz models I had been using ([size=small]a Teknetics G2 and Fisher F19)[/size], and I hit some old home sites and brans and other outbuildings with iron to compare the CoRe w/'OOR' DD coil against the Gold Plus' 5½" round DD coil, as well as compare the 5½X10 DD coils on both the CoRe and Gold Plus. I think this is where more of the 'testing' comes in that determines how well we, as individuals, can discern subtle differences in performance that might be associated with a detector's operating frequency.

From ample experience out Relic Hunting a lot of sites for over forty-five years where iron of various sizes and types abound, I was easily able to pick out the 'edge' the Gold + provided with that higher frequency. Did it completely over-shadow the CoRe? Certainly not, especially in low-to-moderate trashy places when many targets I'd like to find are higher-conductive like silver or quality copper coins. Or at times when I consider coin depths to be a little deeper, although it is very close, I feel the CoRe might have a slight edge.

Nonetheless, I worked the Relic prototype and CoRe side-by-side, and as I did I quickly grew to appreciate the few changes it had. Performance similar to the 19 kHz Gold +, but the Relic has the 3-Tone audio Discriminate mode, plus two additional 2-Tone modes [size=small](Swift and Deep)[/size] that behave differently for our benefit when conditions call for their use. Tone Break and Iron Audio Volume control are the main additions I appreciate having and using. Those new additions are complemented by a broader TID resolution for non-ferrous targets than the CoRe, and I make more use of that feature when Coin & Jewelry Hunting in urban locations as I rely mainly on audio response when Relic Hunting more remote places.

For me and considering the bulk of my detecting sites I prefer to hunt, I quickly found the Relic to be a wonderful detector that called for a #1 all-around ranking in my personal detector battery. I used it more and more even after the evaluation was finished and the product introduced just because it is so comfortable, yet 'simple' to get into action and 'functions' so well in a wide-range of trashy conditions. But as time passed I also came to appreciate what the CoRe provided me in overall performance.

In your case, after initially owning and using and appreciating the FORS Relic, it is great to pick up a new CoRe with the end-of-the-year bundle as a bargain purchase, but it will be interesting to see if you can discern some of the subtle differences between the Relic and CoRe and come to like it as much even with the reduced non-ferrous TID range. Kind of a 'test' of how you can adapt to the two just in reverse from how I got to enjoy learning them. My guess is that you'll do well and admire both detectors.

Now that I have rambled, with the change back to 'standard' time [size=small](I absolutely detest the Daylight Savings Time concept)[/size] I need to get on my boots, and Rikki & I are headed off to try and find a new place to hunt this morning. Be sure to keep us all posted on your impressions and experiences when you get that new CoRe, and I hope you have weather in the coming weeks to get out and enjoy some detecting.

Monte
 
I'm ready to blast off !
 
hairymonsterman said:
Hopefully it's not just a pumped up high gain audio unit like the racer with poor depth in mineralised soil !
I am excited as I anticipate excellent performance and versatility from the pending Nokta Impact. Based on the results I have been enjoying for almost two years now with Nokta FORS series and Makro Racer series models, I have no doubt that the engineering folks at Nokta/Makro, under the design guidance of Alper have put in some serious design and development. They have gathered quite a bit of consumer input about what many serious detector users would and wouldn't like, and have had a lot to work with to develop a serious advancement on the detector market.

As for your comment about the Racer having "poor depth in mineralized soil," I will let you know I differ with that view. I used the Racer from prototype stage and was very impressed with the performance, and I liv and hunt in very mineralized ground. I now use the Racer 2 in conjunction with my FORS CoRe and Relics, and most of the ground I hunt calls for a Ground Balance setting between '82.[size=small]00[/size]' and '86.[size=small]60[/size]', and seldom less than 3 MMI read-out bars.

I hunted a site today with Oregon Gregg and in the better areas the GB required was '77' to '79' but most of the area called for a Ground balance of '85.2-' to '86.40' and almost all of that registered 4 bars of MMI. I have hunted this same area with other detector brands and none of them provided more 'depth' and responsiveness than the Racer 2, CoRe or Relic, and most of them couldn't get close to the depth these three models achieved.

On outings I often get asked to check a target when someone has located something but isn't sure of an 'iffy' signal response. There's no such thing as a 'perfect' metal detector, so I can't say that I always get a better response than them on a questionable deeper-located target .... however, the bulk of the time I do. So, while opinions are important and do matter, I can appreciate yours in that perhaps for you, and based on the coil used and settings used, site conditions and the sweep speed you used, the Racer came up short of your expectations. In my opinion, however, for me, the Racer 2, as well as my Relic and CoRe, never let me down and provide splendid depth of detection.

Monte
 
Monte said:
hairymonsterman said:
As for your comment about the Racer having "poor depth in mineralized soil," I will let you know I differ with that view. I used the Racer from prototype stage and was very impressed with the performance, and I liv and hunt in very mineralized ground. I now use the Racer 2 in conjunction with my FORS CoRe and Relics, and most of the ground I hunt calls for a Ground Balance setting between '82.[size=small]00[/size]' and '86.[size=small]60[/size]', and seldom less than 3 MMI read-out bars.

Monte


I think mineralization depends upon exactly what kind of mineralization (and of course how much)?

I've been working a spot that has alkali soil and that seems to be a struggle for the Racer2, BUT I hunted the same site with my F75 LTD2 and it was even more of a struggle for it. At this particular spot, the audio report on targets is messed up. I have not dug a lot of deep targets at this site, and have learned that anything that makes a sound needs to be slowly investigated from multiple angles. My friend with his multi-frequency Explorer2 has not experienced any issues at this spot because those machines handle multiple types of mineralized soil so well with their FBS technology. VLF machines are up for a serious challenge at this spot.

I am looking forward to trying out the Impact...but at the same token, it's finally been confirmed that First Texas is bringing out new flag ship units in 2017, so I may well wait and see what FT has to offer and how it compares to the Impact once it's finally released.

HH,
Brian
 
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