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Need help identifying a coin IRELAND

cwilk said:
What denomination is it? Is it a copper? Yours looks silver. Be careful cleaning it which would remove a lot of it's numismatic value.

Chris

Its british, its hard to get a pic of the side with the face but to me it looks like this coin

http://www.ringramcoins.com/HG1778.htm

The coin i have looks silver in colour, i'm no coin expert so i'm not sure.

Should i try clean it at all? And if so how?
The coin has like dark shades of grey patches that look like they are actually on the coin, and then brown patches that are above the surface and look like dirt or corrosion or something
 
If it's that Half Guinea or a Guinea in your link, it's a gold coin. I wouldn't clean it at all even if it's just a copper, until I found out what it was and if it has any historical significance. I don't know British coins all that well and I'm not sure what coppers and silver coins looked like in that era. I'd weigh and measure it to start. Take it to a coin dealer and as him (or her) what they think. Wikipedia has a good article on Guineas and pics from various eras. It would be unusual for a gold coin to be caked up like that but not unheard of. There are tons of resources for British coins on the Internet. I'm sure it looks different and better in person and I find it difficult to work from a photo.

Post it on the whatzit forum too.

Chris

In my searches I found some copies of gold guineas made of bronze which is a possibility too.
 
cwilk said:
If it's that Half Guinea or a Guinea it's a gold coin. I wouldn't clean it at all even if it's just a copper, until I found out what it was and if it has any historical significance. I don't know Bitish coins all that well and I'm not sure what coppers and silver coins looked like in that era. I'd weigh and measure it to start. Take it to a coin dealer and as him (or her) what they think. Wikipedia has a good article on Guineas and pics from various eras. It would be unusual for a gold coin to be caked up like that but not unheard of. There are tons of resources for British coins on the internet. I'm sure it looks different and better in person and I find it difficult to work from a photo.

Post it on the whatzit forum too.

Chris

Thanks for the info, one thing for sure is that it's defo not showing up on the ace250 as gold
 
Gold can show up anywhere ever up around copper cent. Can you make out any writing on the side with the monarch? Which way is the monarch facing?

I think the UK alternates one left, the next right. I may be wrong.

Chris
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea_(British_coin)

You need that last parenthesis which seems to have been left out of the link. Just add it to your address bar.

Chris
 
cwilk said:
Gold can show up anywhere ever up around copper cent. Can you make out any writing on the side with the monarch? Which way is the monarch facing?

I think the UK alternates one left, the next right. I may be wrong.

Chris

On the crest side of the coin i can make out "17"
On the face side of the coin i can make out a "I" and a "D" the "I" is to the top left of the head and the "D" is to the top right


Here are some more pics i just took :cam:

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h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0264.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0265.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0266.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0267.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0268.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0269.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0270.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0271.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0272.JPG
h!!p://www.sawauto.com/uploader/up2/DSCF0273.JPG
 
Those photos are much better. I looked at the links. I'd say that it's George III. The D would begin DEI GRATIA (By the grace of God.) The I is the last letter in GEORGIVS III. It sure looks like a Guinea but why does it look silver? It might be a counterfeit. It might also be genuine which would mean that you have just found the best thing you'll ever find. DO NOT CLEAN IT FURTHER. Protect in a 2x2 or a flip. Take it to a coin dealer or send photos to some authority on UK coins. A Guinea would be about 24-26mm in diameter and weigh 8.2-8.4 grams.

Check the reltionship of letters to other items. The X on the reverse is right where it should be.

Wat a spectacular find. I'm happy just to have seen it. Seriously, don't clean it any more until you know.

Chris
 
Buy a small digital scale accurate to tenths of a gram. In the US they are around 15 dollars. You'll want one when you find gold and silver jewelry anyway. I'd also buy a guide to Irish and British coins. The most popular for US coins is about 10 dollars. These are two metal detecting tools that I would not be without and it looks like you'll be needing both.

Chris

I'm having a Powers to toast your good fortune.
 
i had a look though my pommy coin book & it"s very similar to a guinea which should be gold & your coin looks silver so it could be a counter-fit. some contemporary fakes are worth big $$$ so as Chris said go see a coin dealer.
lazyaussie
 
Hello
I don't want to get too excited yet-- but your coin appears to be silver. And if so, I am wondering at the possibility that this is a rare
rare coin. But we still have a long way to go-- is this coin indeed silver? ANd to the right of the crown do you see a "74"? I do see
a "17" to the left of the crown. I will even give you my personal email: tcook9@comcast.net. I really do want to follow up on this because this COULD really be something if what I am thinking is correct.
 
Well..actually now that I look closer, the lettering under the shield would rule out the wild theory I did have: that maybe--just maybe--it was a very rare 1774 Virginia Shilling (these are silver). Still, if this coin is silver, not sure what it could be other than a contemporary counterfeit of a current gold British coin
 
If you decide to take it to a coin dealer, take it to three or four. If you only take it to one, he could be the one who will try to rip you off!
 
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