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Need everyones opinion on this

Well,
I was afraid of this...
I sent him a email because of his work schedule and told him in a nice way of the problem I encountered and told him I would help him work on his holes and sent him a link to this thread so he could see for himself how important it is to dig a hole correctly.

He was calling me everyday and now....no calls no reply's...nothing.

This is what I didnt want...for him to be mad about it and to continue on doing what he is doing.
Maybe he will come around some day?
 
Your intentions were good and he did not grasp it.
That will be his problem and he may find that where he dig he'll get told more bluntly by someone else.
Some people just don't have common sense to grasp things !
 
Well if he reads all of this he may understand alot of good folks here that want to help our hobby as well as your friend......We all have to learn ,that is a good thing or we would all still be crawling around and messing in our diapers I'm glad I learned how to walk and other things hahaha......We all can still learn many things, that makes our lives better so we don't repeat mistakes because we gonna make mistakes......hh.......Dan
 
I'd kick him right square in the-errr.... I was going to say, I hunted with a fella at the back of a park. We were a bit separated. I saw him working on a target for a good while earlier. Then after I had dug a target, I stood up and just then saw a park ranger marching straight to him. I walked over to see what it was all about. Apparently the ranger was on him for digging a gaping hole back at another spot, and all for an old buried sprinkler.
Long story short - I offered and patched up the hole while my friend was asked to leave the park. The ranger told me I could stay and detect, but we shared a ride (my truck) and since the ranger seem to have a rising blood pressure, I also decided to leave after fixing things up.
He had got a good signal, kept digging until he finally reached a big old brass sprinkler, but couldn't detach the sprinkler as it was to tight on the riser. He had put to much effort into it, then decided to move on because sun was setting soon, so he left it. I think someone called it in. I'll admit, it was big ol nasty hole and I myself wasn't liking what I walked up on. It was well over a foot deep and maybe 2 feet wide. He left it.....grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
On the ride home I had a talk to him about respect which includes digging & filling. He got an ear full from me because I had talked to him about digging/filling/patching on a previous hunt. I figured out, he would do well when I was within eyeballing his actions, but when out of site or a good distance, all bets were off and he went wild. Well I'm not going to leash and control him, so I didn't invite him anymore.
 
magic said:
Well,
I was afraid of this...
I sent him a email
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Should of written him a letter or sent him a telegraph OR maybe a singing telegram - ummm smoke signals?. :laugh:

You're a nice, intelligent, and fun guy, Doug, and you'd be better off hanging your hat on that and just telling people what you think in person and talking it out. Confrontations stink, but it's the only way to be completely fair, while understanding each of your position. Forums are a perfect example of why an email was a bad idea. Well over half the message is lost, and in these times people are extra sensitive to the written word (hence the silly emoticons plastered in everyone's correspondence). You're a tough guy to read and some things that seem to be said in jest, are actually more serious in your mind. He may have been caught off guard. I have a feeling, this guy will come around if you reach out in a different manner.

Good luck.
 
Hey Shambler you're a ballsey guy, don't be polite, He'll ruin detecting for you and everyone else in your area. Jump him hard, if he won't straighten out, then don't be seen with him. Good luck.
 
If I hunt with a fellow for any length of time and his digging methods leave little to be desired try to explain my methods and if he doesn't improve we don't hunt together as I take pride in digging a find and leaving the area in good shape after. Can always lead a horse to water but can't make him drink kind of thing and honestly don't need a horse that won't drink if he is thirsty and it reflects on the hobby and myself as his partner. Honestly if I hit a park where finds are not extracted neatly I just leave rather than be accused and surely wouldn't want a guy on my side causing problems for myself and the hobby...
 
you can be sure if the guy doesn't improve his digging methods it WILL catch up with him and you will be the first person he thinks of when it does! Hang in there! Ya done good!!! HH Charlie
 
unfortunately,this "attitude" has been prevalent in the hobby for a long,long time!
the difficulty is attempting to explain that improperly dug holes can be the "kiss of death"
for anyone associated with the hobby!..it is a very disconcerting development as dan has so eloquently pointed out,
in that you CANNOT make someone "give a f8*k" if they don't!..the only way to "preserve" your reputation
as a conscientious hobbyist is to distance yourself from this situation.

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
It seems distancing myself from him is what has happened. By his choice, I havent heard a word from him anymore and probably wont. I did try in the beginning though to show him the right way and I even give him a digger because he was just using a triangle shaped trowel and it looked really bad then. If I would have been able to detect with him more, I wouldn't have been able to put up with the way he digs much longer at all. He also had some other not so good ways about him that kept me wondering in the beginning. He found a 2006 class ring with Initials at the same school he is messing up and will not make any attempt to return it. He said, and I quote, "I spent alot of money and time on my equipment and I feel like I deserve to keep it"
I disagree with that but to each is his own. I just wish there was a better way to handle it so that it would have changed the way he digs... Threatening him or being mean would not have worked, I tried teaching him,..didnt work. I sent him an email to this link hoping he would read and understand but that didnt work either. (he works very odd hours and sleeps odd hours and its hard to contact him by phone) Everyone has a different style of retrieving an object and there are the few that just dont care and leave a mess. I dont think he really cares about metal detecting or its future or he would try to understand. All he really looks for is jewelry..doesnt care about old coins...maybe that should have told me something?

Funny thing is that I have had at least 10 of my metal detecting friends asking me if it was them that I was talking about. I just said,...Do you think its you?, and listened to their comments. It was funny. In the end I told them it wasnt but it had them rethinking how they dig for a while...:crylol:
 
even though it is NOT recommended,many "experienced" people in the hobby hunt alone!
GENERALLY,the reason for doing this,is NOT because they are anti-social,but because if you are on a
a "good" productive site,you want to keep a lower profile,and be "noticed" as little as possible.
having someone else along,only increases the possibility of being engaged with others,who unbeknownst
to you,may NOT have your best interests at heart,and "possibly" alert the authoritative figures.it basically becomes a matter of trust,
and,in the final analysis,you must pick your "dance partners" very carefully,OR suffer the consequences!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
magic said:
"I spent alot of money and time on my equipment and I feel like I deserve to keep it"
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Wow. He's going to be disappointed looking for jewelry in dirt. His detector will be in the classifieds before you know it!
 
It's hard to fix stupid and selfish, Magic, although it sounds like you gave it a good try.

From what you've said, you're way better off without this guy on your hunts.

And in your life.
 
there's no law against being "stupid".."selfish?"
everyone IS!.. IF they are taking care of their lives properly!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
jmaryt said:
there's no law against being "stupid".."selfish?"
everyone IS!.. IF they are taking care of their lives properly!

(h.h!)
j.t.
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I don't consider everyone stupid or selfish. Although there are a couple members of my extended family that would qualify on both counts...

j.t, your earlier post about either hunting alone or choosing your "dance partners" very carefully shows that you aren't stupid either. And that's not selfish to me, that's self-interest. Anyone with any sense is going to prioritize themselves and by extension their loved ones in their lives. That's human nature and the reason why communism always has and always will fail.

Not caring about leaving holes or carelessly retrieving targets like Magic's friend is selfish. Because it's saying he'd rather be lazy and leave a mess that others or going to take the heat for than learn to do it right.

Being selfish very often works against one's self-interest and it certainly did and will for Magic's loser ex-friend.

First of all, he lost a good hunting partner. And if he sticks with the hobby, which is doubtful, he's going to be buying himself some unpleasant experiences down the road.
 
I second that motion.
 
apathy and indifference when retrieving coins will surely turn EVERYONE
into a "stay at home" hobbyist,because the ONLY place you will be able to hunt
will be your own "salted" yard!.."selfish" retrieval will definately f88k ya!

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
I've said it before, if you feel you have to have a partner, make it a cute girl. Your respectability quotent will increase many-fold. Officials will tend to leave you alone. The biggest "B*i*t*c*h*e*r*s, are usually women. If you have one of 'em along, it promotes good will to all others and allows unmolested detecting. Dress her respectable, not sexy, sexy will destroy what you set out to achieve and drone warthogs will be buzzing around her. Good luck..!
 
You did good magic. I haven't had to worry about any hunting buddy leaving a mess yet but.... yup, we all need to stay vigilant. Heck, I feel guilty when I am off a little on my pinpoint! (Guess my Catholic grandmother did a number on me in respecting others...She was AWESOME!!) Found some of my best stuff in her HUGE yard and silver and long lost family heirlooms could only be found if I left that place immaculate!
 
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