My first week with the CZ3D

[Ray(Ca)]

Well I've had my 3D now for a week. I've hit 3 different places and ran the 3D in enhanced only. 2 are old parks and the other was the front lawn of a 50's church. Both parks are very well hunted by me and others. The church lawn only gave me a few wheat's and a toasted merc. My lunch hunt park has been giving me wheat's now on a regular basis with the SLQ and a silver ring. My other old park is one that I have been hunting for many years and has alot of trash. I've hit it with just about every detector made and have found 100's of silvers over the years. Most coins at this particular area are 8+ so the 3D had it's work cut out for it. I ran the 3D sens at 7 when possible and backed it off to 3 when I was under the power lines. Both mercs gave a high tone repeater with a very slight iron tone. Several of the coins including the mercs pegged the meter at 8 inches when pinpointed. The buff was only 5 inches deep but hit with a solid high tone. The 3D took a couple tonight at 9 inches (sens 7) with a good strong hit and power to burn. The small transit token was at a measured 7 inches and produced a high tone that I'm sure I would have not dug with any of my other detectors. I have found all kinds of old things that registered aa a high tone with the 3D and yes I dug some trash and iron. The 3D has put life back into my old parks. It's very deep and it's a coin/relic vacuum!

Ray(Ca)

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[droz-il]

WTG Ray, nice finds

 

[rmptr]

Good score Ray.

There will be no place for silver to hide from you!

HH
rmptr

 

[scubadetector]

Very nice. Now you can go back over all your old haunts and grab what you've been missing. Good luck with your new detector.

 

[Dan-Pa.]

CZ units may be the deepest on the planet coil for coil so imagine some more silver may come out of that old park..Unfortunately they do like those darn deep rusty nails and are easily masked by iron so a rather slow swing should get the job done..By the way nice week for a new unit...

 

[prolab69]

So in the "enhanced mode" this machine wont pick up normal clad? Ive had mine for 3 days now using it in enhanced, but it seems to still pick up regular nickels. newest was like an 84, but I did manage 2 mercs and a rosie. I had disc. on 0 and sens. on 3 or 4, was also wondering....in a modern old park used today what are peoples experiences in leaving it in enhanced and just turning up the disc. or would salt mode be better. have not used it in autotune yet except for GB.
what areas are best for autotune, and would i be looking for coins or jewelry in autotune.The book really didnt go into much detail on that.
thanks
Pro-

 

[jmaryt]

hi ray!,,great finds for sure!..as you mentioned,apparently your strategy of JUST listening for deeper "high" tone "hits" in the enhanced mode is working!..patience is paying off for you,and i thankyou for that advice!..may i ask though,it MUST be difficult to concentrate on JUST the deeper hits when the park is full of "high " tone
aluminum trash,however it would appear that your strategy is the ONLY way to hunt effectively with the 3d in THAT environement!..again!..thanks for the tip,and great finds that i know you worked hard for!..nice goin!

regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Ray(Ca)]

Yea, JT it does get kind of crazy when you get into a area loaded with surface high tones. I take all nickel signals that are surface or deep as most detectorist just cruise on by them. The last park I hunted yesterday had no high coin signals (deep or shallow) out in the middle but there were nickle signals everywhere. I have to say that the 3D is proving to be a very effective deep coin park hunter. I am really bonding with this machine as it is a modern coin,relic,gold coin,gold ring,silver coin vacuum. With my other deep turf machine (that's collecting dust currently) I would only go after the high tone deep silver signals and that's okay except I wasn't getting the V,s,Buffs,gold rings,tokens and buttons. With the 3D I get it all and sure I dig some iron and trash but that's okay because I am "Metal Detecting"

Ray(Ca)

 

[jmaryt]

hi ray!.thanks for the input!..is it fair to say that the junk you DO dig is limited when the detector is in the ADVANCED mode in a typical trash strewn park?
if you are working a "old" park still heavily used today,does the number of "high" tone hits that are junk seem to be overwhelming?..or are those type of "high" tone hits few in number overall?..thanks!

(h.h!
j.t.

 

[VirginiaMatt]

Ray, the enhanced mode will bring pull tabs and nickles into a high signal range. This is effective in areas were there is a minimum amount of pull tabs (new trash). If you find that your are digging a lot of aluminum then switch her on over to the salt mode and you will find that the cd will knock out some of that trash. With experience you will hear the difference b/t a good high signal and bad high signal (can close to the surface). As far as nails go, if you find that your digging them just try going back and fourth and from side to side. By doing this you will get a broken high tone one way and a iron signal the other way. Over time you will just learn not to dig nails, b/c unless they are made from copper of bronze, iron, they will have a little extra chatter when you go over top of them. Anyway thats about enough from me, enjoy your machine!

Matt

 

[jmaryt]

hi matt!
i assume you have a lot of experience with the 3d!..can you tell me generally WHERE do YOU hunt with it MOST of the time?..are you constantly in "old" parks,and open public areas that are old?..if you DO hunt in these places,are you digging a lot of aluminum in advanced mode?.i would like to know WHERE is the best sites for advanced mode operation?..it would seem that EVERYWHERE you hunt is just "loaded" with modern aluminum crap these days,REGARDLESS of age!..thanks!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[VirginiaMatt]

j.t,

I've been hunting with the 3D for almost three years now and I am still learning all of its nuances. I hunt new and old sites, but until recently have mainly hunted in salt mode. I learning that this may have been a mistake especially at my older (1800's) sites. Enhanced will definitely give you some more depth, but not only that it will pull your mid range targets into a higher range...if that makes since. Another way to get some more depth out of the 3D is by turning up the volume knob all the way. This will help if your in an area that has really been hunted out or your just not getting any targets b/c they have sunk just out of range for the normal volume set up. Lets face it, your going to dig some modern trash no matter where you hunt, but with time you will be able to distinguish b/t junk and goodies. I dig signals that bounce between coin and pull tab as this can indicate a number of good targets. To summarize salt mod is best for your more modern sites where you are just coin shooting. If the site has some age to it, go with enhanced, but know you will dig some Al. Anyway, if you have any more questions let me know. Hope I answered yours.

Later,

Matt

 

[jmaryt]

hi matt!..thanks for the response!..granted!.. you WILL dig some junk with ANY detector,however this 3d is NOT just any detector!..it is designed to "pull" mid tone signals into the "high tone" range ..so with that being said,the question remains,if you are in apre-1950's site LOADED with trash,are you stating that all "high tones" SHOULD be dug with the toggle in "advanced" mode?..IF that is so,then can one presume to dig JUST junk because the aluminum will ALSO be reclassified as a "HIGH TONE!"?....i hope to get clarification on this operating characteristic of the cz-3d!

regards!
(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[VirginiaMatt]

J.T.

A lot depends on your pre-1950's site, mainly the location, however I think you can assume that along with the junk there is also silver? So while you will be digging some junk you will also be digging the targets that you want i.e. silver coins.

If a site is super trashy, and you don't want to dig any trash, use the salt mode and simply dig the high tones. After you have cleaned out all of your high tones in the salt mode, switch the 3D over to enhanced and dig the whispers (deep targets). Another option is to use a 5.5 inch coil. You will loose some depth, but you will also dig far less trash.

One last thing to think about, if your not digging any of the mid range targets, then your also not digging any gold.

later,

Matt

 

[jmaryt]

hi matt!..thanks for the input!..i still have the "hocky puck" as i decided to hold on to it,knowing i could sell it at any time!..that's how good it is as you are aware!
if i decide to go after the (d) i am sure i will mount the "puck" and NEVER take it off,because it may be the "only" 'sane" way to hunt these "junk infested " areas in advanced mode!..all of the areas in question are pre-1950's sites,however they are ALL super trashy!..to be honest,i wish i knew someone with a cz-3d that i could mount the "puck" on JUST to hunt for a while to determine if the combination of the "advanced" mode coupled with the 5" coil will make a difference!..again thanks for the information!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[Ed in Mo]

I have had the 3d for a little over a year now and love it. I have all three coils but rarely use the 10.5", the stock coil and 5" seem to do it all. This is the one machine I will never sell. I have always hunted in the enhanced mode, and yes I even hunt the trashy parks with it and with great results. I have used mostly White's and Garretts in the past and will admit this is the first Fisher I ever tried...sold the others except for the fun little Ace 250 for kicks. I live about 1/2 hour outside of St. Louis Missouri and if anyone is close enough to come out here they are more than welcome to give mine a test run. It is nothing like most of you think at all. You can usually tell by sizing the target and turning on it as well from different directions. Not to mention a coin has a "perfect" sound verses junk and a very steady reading without bounce.

There is a old picnic ground area that has been used since 1868 and still used today. I have hunted this place to death, as well as others I am sure, for almost 20 years. It is about a 1 1/2 hours drive from me now but I still visit it a few times a year. The 3d has produced silver on every trip I have ever made there. I got a chance to stop there again this weekend for about a hour before dark, I put on the 5" coil and left with 3 wheat pennies and a nice 1913 barber dime. To be honest...I find mostly silver dime there maybe showing the smaller coins are harder for the others to get to. I hunted a grade school last weekend that I was told was a waste of my time...it took a couple hours but pulled out a 37 buffalo nickel ( all 4 legs too dang it!) and 36 dime 9" deep, not to mention a couple dollars in clads. I think I might go back there again...lol. The 3d will bring new life back to the old spot without a doubt. Do I did trash...sure I do, but not tons. I am just guessing, but thinking I have about a 80% or better ratio on the good targets.

I am not so sure what all the fuss is on trashy parks, not everything that is aluminum will read high tone like most are thinking. I guess if you went by the instructions and dig all high tone beeps without knowing the difference between good and bad targets, then you would want a clean area. Hard to explain but you are welcome to try one out for yourself anytime...come on over.

 

[harryo]

NOW YOU KNOW WHY YOU DO NOT SEE MANY IF ANY USED ONES FOR SALE. JUST WAIT TILL YOU SLAP THE 5IN COIL ON , YOUR IN FOR A REAL TREAT. HAPPY HUNTING HARRY

 

[harryo]

I will have to agree with you on everything you said about the CZ3d. I always hunt in enhanced mode never use salt. If people could just try one they would know how VERY easy they are to use. As far as high tones go that confuse new users just watch the METER if it goes to penny or high coin DIG IT. Had a explorer 2, explorer SE, dfx, xlt, sov. I now Owen just the 3d and sov 2a pro . two of the best detectors EVER made in my Owen opinion of course. With the 3d you get VERY good depth and ease of operation compared to the 1000.00 dollar machines. You are always second guessing yourself on the explores if you have all the right settings. The dfx is 10 times worse, my Owen thought on this of course. The 3d is light can last 40 hours on batteries has a sun ray probe for it and WILL go just as deep if not deeper than ANY detector made.The best trait about the 3d is it gives you a high tone on deep coins, ALL COINS I should say. happy hunting and would love to detect with you some time, really would ,best regards HARRY

 

[jmaryt]

hi ed!
great feedback,and appreciated!..i was thinking in the back of my mind that if a high tone,then checking the target from all sweep angles,AND sizing it would be a necessary evil with the 3d,and make all the difference!..may i ask do you generally receive a sharper more pronounced "smoother" high tone with the "puck" on board?..your coin to junk ratio is intriguing,in that if it is a true 80% to 20% then that is certainly a factor in the 3d's favor!..has it been YOUR experience that coins that "hit" on "high tone" in advanced mode would NOT be dug with a cz-5 in regular mode? in other words,have you cross-circuited to "salt" mode on your (d) to determine from time to time IF these signals would also signal "high tone, just to verify and corroberate the "advanced" mode results?.again my thanks for the enlightening input!

(h.h!)
j.t.

 

[jmaryt]

thanks harry for the interesting input!..thnaks for takin' the time to post!..as you stated and i agree if only i could try one then i am sure i will come to a conclusion quickly!..unfortunately,the days of "taping" up the search coil,and venturing forth from a dealer who sells detectors out of his house is long gone!..in the 3d's case,i dont believe from the extremely "accurate" feed back experienced on this forum,that that course of action will be necessary!..this is the type of information absolutely essential in making the buy or don't buy decision!..awesome "real" world" feedback leaves no doubt!...thanks again to everyone!

(h.h!)
j.t.