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My early thoughts on the AT Pro...:clapping:

marcomo

Well-known member
My early impression of the AT Pro after about 12 hours of hunting is that I'm pleased, and I'm finding it very intuitive to use.

A big thank you to forum sponsor Chuck Marcum at Indian Nations Detectors for taking care of me so well. He made me glad that the used unit I wanted to buy from him was already sold.

I know there have been some problems and defects with some of the ATs, I'm glad to say my AT Pro has functioned fine so far. I have one with the 511 serial number. A number of people have had problems with leakage when they put the AT underwater. I haven't submerged mine, nor do I plan to with my type of detecting. But the ability to use it in light rain, drizzle and snow without any type of environmental cover is a big plus to me so I'll be finding out down the road how well it does in that respect.

The way it unmasks non-ferrous among ferrous is THE strong point of this detector and in just a short period of time I can already tell that the AT unmasking ability is superior to any detector I've used so far. I've got an old site I've hunted with only moderate success that is a carpet of square nails. I'm looking forward to taking it there.

In addition to their own advancements, Garrett has appropriated from FT and other manufacturers a number of good features that Garrett never had before like modulated audio, 99 digital points of resolution, 40 of iron, large DD coil, etc. On a purely cosmetic note I'll add the color black as a good feature to my mind as well. I don't buy a detector based on looks but still I'm glad they didn't make it bright yellow...

Seems to have good depth although not as deep as the F75. I've found a good 10 coins at 6"+ so far with the deepest being a 1936 Buff at a measured 8".

But the F75's edge in raw depth is more than offset to me by the AT's ability to get good depth at slow, fast or anywhere in-between sweep speeds. With the AT you can swing at a faster speed when you want to cover ground or you can crawl over a target when you want to really investigate it.

I like the AT audio, but I wish it had that fourth tone that my Fishers have. I most often detect listening to everything under the coil, and to my ears the AT iron audio is not fatiguing to me on longer hunts like the F75 was.

I can say that I've gotten significantly less high tone iron falsing with the AT Pro than with either of my F series Fishers.

From my few hours of usage so far, the AT appears more stable and less EMI prone than my First Texas units.

Ergonomically, this unit is reasonably comfortable with a forearm cuff extension (like the Garrett Gizmo) attached. Without the extension, this detector is ergonomically lousy unless maybe you have the forearms of a midget.

My initial impression is that the ID on the high conductors is not as tight as with the F5 or F75. Depth reading is not as accurate as with my F5, a lot of that can probably be attributed to the fact that the AT gives depth in 2 inch increments instead of 1. My F75 TID always "lied" by an average of 2" deeper than actual depth on coins, but subtracting 2" it was reasonably accurate on depth.

As far as a low-high-low sound IDing bottle caps with the iron audio, I sure ain't seeing that. This detector seems to have the same trouble IDing caps that other detectors with DD coils do. I've hunted in a couple high bottle cap yards and it doesn't matter - shallow and new or inches deep and rusty - I'm not getting any low-high-low report. Not on bottle caps. Zinc pennies are another story, I get the low-high-low on most of the zincers I've found.

This is a small point, because there's nothing wrong with the AT's foam grip. But I wish Garrett would have given it the rubber grip that a lot of their older detectors have. I liked that grip when I had a GTP 1350.

A thing that really is a negative to me about the AT Pro is the "proprietary" headphone connection. There is no way to use your own non-Garrett headphones without an adapter which Garrett hasn't made available yet. And plugging and unplugging the headphones where you have to line up the pins and screw on the connector is more inconvenient and time-consuming than the usual plug-in, pull-out. Not to mention that the stock Garrett headphones are of mediocre quality and fit. As I write this, rumor has it that Garrett is going to finally start shipping adapters very soon so that should solve this issue.

I'm thinking that this detector is a keeper :thumbup:and is definitely going to be my go to machine in the nail pits.
 
Very good review marcomo, I also am finding the at pro will pick good targets out of trash better than any detector I've used too.
My deepest coin so far was at 8" but the tone was loud and clear and also had a vdi so I'm sure it will go some deeper and that was in pro mode and sens a few bars less that full.
I used the regular mxt for over a year and got use to only one tone 2 in relic mode so after I got another detector it had 4 tones but I only used 3 of them I don't care for a lot of excess tones so I like the 3 the pro has.
I agree about the headphones and glad Garrett is coming out with an adaptor but I think that should be included with the detector and not be an extra cost to the customers. (you listening Garrett's, lol)
The only other thing is the arm cuff not being able to extend back far enough making it coil heavy but it's an easy fix with the gizmo but I think in the future they could extend it a bit longer with the tubing a couple inches and don't see where that would cost them over a few cents more and save the customers several dollars.
But the good out weighs the bad by a long shot all the above can be corrected with a few more dollars invested and I think it's well worth investing in the at pro is one awesome machine.
 
Very nice report. I have noticed the same thing with zinc pennies but more of a mixed result with bottle caps. What mode and settings do you use?

Jerry
 
Good read, Marcomo. I liked all the Fisher plugs :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: Might get you shot over here, though. :surrender:

A 8" Buffalo is a good dig. Hopefully you'll find some more deep ones. Looking forward to hearing about your nail bed hunt.

HH
Mike
 
Rick and Jerry, thanks for the kind words.

Jerry, I tested the various modes in the beginning, but after some initial experimentation it's the Pro mode with discrimination set in the low 30s and iron audio on. I haven't found a location yet where I've felt a need to use less than full sensitivity.
 
Thanks, Mike. When you get your AT Pro back from service working 100%, I think you'll really be impressed. You can swing the F5 slower than the F75 and still get good depth, but you can't loiter (I think that was your term) and get good depth like you can with the AT.

Fortunately detectors aren't like women, you can safely swing around with more than one!:twodetecting::twodetecting:
 
marcomo said:
Thanks, Mike. When you get your AT Pro back from service working 100%, I think you'll really be impressed. You can swing the F5 slower than the F75 and still get good depth, but you can't loiter (I think that was your term) and get good depth like you can with the AT.

Fortunately detectors aren't like women, you can safely swing around with more than one!:twodetecting::twodetecting:

Well,,,,,hummmm,,,,, no comment :surprised:
 
marcomo said:
As far as a low-high-low sound IDing bottle caps with the iron audio, I sure ain't seeing that. This detector seems to have the same trouble IDing caps that other detectors with DD coils do. I've hunted in a couple high bottle cap yards and it doesn't matter - shallow and new or inches deep and rusty - I'm not getting any low-high-low report. Not on bottle caps.

Anyone else want to give your opinoins on this issue? Watched the Garrett videos that do show low-high-low tone on bottle caps, I really liked this feature. Is anyone else hearing the low-high-low tone on bottle caps, or is your report the same? Thanks
 
I get the low-high-low tones on old rusted bottle caps that have been there a long time. Sometimes a lot easier to pick out than others. However, it is the more recent dropped bottle caps that still have their paint that will fool me. What was unexpected was for zinc pennies to exhibit the same tone characteristics. There again not always. I think a lot depends on the soil and how long they have been there. I am into the third month with the At Pro so am still learning.

Jerry
 
Had a chance to get out this past weekend and still found that I was not getting the low-high-low on bottlecaps.

To be fair, I can't remember any being more than partially rusted or more than two or three inches deep.
 
Another thought along these lines, I have noticed that most of the smaller iron objects which are flat will give the low-high-low tone also. The thing that really gets my attention is when it goes low-high and not back to low..... or the reverse. Seven silver finds so far with those tones..... and counting :)

Jerry
 
marcomo said:
My early impression of the AT Pro after about 12 hours of hunting is that I'm pleased, and I'm finding it very intuitive to use.

A big thank you to forum sponsor Chuck Marcum at Indian Nations Detectors for taking care of me so well. He made me glad that the used unit I wanted to buy from him was already sold.

I know there have been some problems and defects with some of the ATs, I'm glad to say my AT Pro has functioned fine so far. I have one with the 511 serial number. A number of people have had problems with leakage when they put the AT underwater. I haven't submerged mine, nor do I plan to with my type of detecting. But the ability to use it in light rain, drizzle and snow without any type of environmental cover is a big plus to me so I'll be finding out down the road how well it does in that respect.

The way it unmasks non-ferrous among ferrous is THE strong point of this detector and in just a short period of time I can already tell that the AT unmasking ability is superior to any detector I've used so far. I've got an old site I've hunted with only moderate success that is a carpet of square nails. I'm looking forward to taking it there.

In addition to their own advancements, Garrett has appropriated from FT and other manufacturers a number of good features that Garrett never had before like modulated audio, 99 digital points of resolution, 40 of iron, large DD coil, etc. On a purely cosmetic note I'll add the color black as a good feature to my mind as well. I don't buy a detector based on looks but still I'm glad they didn't make it bright yellow...

Seems to have good depth although not as deep as the F75. I've found a good 10 coins at 6"+ so far with the deepest being a 1936 Buff at a measured 8".

But the F75's edge in raw depth is more than offset to me by the AT's ability to get good depth at slow, fast or anywhere in-between sweep speeds. With the AT you can swing at a faster speed when you want to cover ground or you can crawl over a target when you want to really investigate it.

I like the AT audio, but I wish it had that fourth tone that my Fishers have. I most often detect listening to everything under the coil, and to my ears the AT iron audio is not fatiguing to me on longer hunts like the F75 was.

I can say that I've gotten significantly less high tone iron falsing with the AT Pro than with either of my F series Fishers.

From my few hours of usage so far, the AT appears more stable and less EMI prone than my First Texas units.

Ergonomically, this unit is reasonably comfortable with a forearm cuff extension (like the Garrett Gizmo) attached. Without the extension, this detector is ergonomically lousy unless maybe you have the forearms of a midget.

My initial impression is that the ID on the high conductors is not as tight as with the F5 or F75. Depth reading is not as accurate as with my F5, a lot of that can probably be attributed to the fact that the AT gives depth in 2 inch increments instead of 1. My F75 TID always "lied" by an average of 2" deeper than actual depth on coins, but subtracting 2" it was reasonably accurate on depth.

As far as a low-high-low sound IDing bottle caps with the iron audio, I sure ain't seeing that. This detector seems to have the same trouble IDing caps that other detectors with DD coils do. I've hunted in a couple high bottle cap yards and it doesn't matter - shallow and new or inches deep and rusty - I'm not getting any low-high-low report. Not on bottle caps. Zinc pennies are another story, I get the low-high-low on most of the zincers I've found.

This is a small point, because there's nothing wrong with the AT's foam grip. But I wish Garrett would have given it the rubber grip that a lot of their older detectors have. I liked that grip when I had a GTP 1350.

A thing that really is a negative to me about the AT Pro is the "proprietary" headphone connection. There is no way to use your own non-Garrett headphones without an adapter which Garrett hasn't made available yet. And plugging and unplugging the headphones where you have to line up the pins and screw on the connector is more inconvenient and time-consuming than the usual plug-in, pull-out. Not to mention that the stock Garrett headphones are of mediocre quality and fit. As I write this, rumor has it that Garrett is going to finally start shipping adapters very soon so that should solve this issue.

I'm thinking that this detector is a keeper :thumbup:and is definitely going to be my go to machine in the nail pits.
Great report buddy - you have come a long way since you first appeared in the Garrett forums. Hats off to you.

I said years ago that Garrett needed to get modulated audio and a numerical VDI display if they were to come out of the woods. Talking detectors were only going to take them so far. Interestingly, they still seem to have NOT figured out ergonomics. The weird off side location for the headphone connector and short arm length they've adopted still baffles me, too. And I utterly detest those foamie grips - I always end up modifying them in some way.

Im sincerely glad Garrett kept the response speed of the ACE on the AT Pro. That was a strong point of the little Yeller Feller. You could clip it along to cover ground and still detect deep items, then slow down to process and isolate the target.

And the expanded iron range detection is another thing I've longed for - not masking, but true iron ON PURPOSE. Some years ago, I did some testing and found the Garretts especially susceptible to iron masking. In time I learned to open up the iron range and actually listen to the iron, which was a benefit of using the tone ID Garretts. People have little idea how much iron affects their detector, even in small amounts. When you know it's there you can adapt. When it is masked by discrimination, it can cause falsing and other issues - and you don't even know it! NOTE: There's a hint for all you folks that experience falsing issues in the field.

I'm seeing adapters for the headphones becoming available, too, and there are some ' pigtails' that bring the connection back under the arm where it belongs. Eventually, Im confident we'll see one that mates the waterproof headphones under the cuff, too.

Have you tried the concentric coils yet?
 
Jerry - Excellent observation about the low-high or high-low only, I'll pay close attention.

David - Thank you for the kind words, I think we probably crossed paths more on the Tesoro forum back then.

Haven't tried the concentric coils, and don't see any reason to at this point.
 
Hello again to my friends here on the forum. I haven't posted in about a month because I've been very busy with work and family medical issues, but of course I've found time for my addiction.

It's been close to two months now with the AT Pro and and in terms of performance it's been everything I've hoped for and more.

After almost two months I'll stand by what I originally said about the AT Pro unmasking ability. I'd still say that is the strongest point of this detector for me, but I don't want to downplay how much I like the audio or the excellent depth regardless of swing speed. I still miss the fourth "nickel range" tone of the FT detectors.

The ATPro has become unquestionably my favorite of any detector I've used so far.

I've added Kenny House's Garrett Gizmo and Garrett's headphone adapter. To my ears, Ratphones sound noticably better with this detector than either my Grey Ghosts or Airricanes.

Glad to see Garrett offering the update package for $39.95, I think that's definitely a reasonable cost to get a couple important non-performance related improvements and the additional warranty time.

Since the update special is being offered until the end of the year and I aleady have the Gizmo, I was hoping to wait until December to send my unit in for the update.

The bad news is my pinpoint button quit working today like others have described on various threads. So I guess when I send it off for repair, I'll go ahead and get the update sooner than planned.
Time to get reacquainted with my F5.

The photos are from 2 to 2 1/2 hour hunts Saturday and Sunday morning. I found five silvers Saturday which is the second most I've ever found on a hunt. I found seven silver coins over the weekend which jumped me up to 60 for the year.

The first pic is of a seven coin spill including four silvers, 2 Jeffs and a wheatie. Judging by the minimal wear on the newest dated coins, the 57 quarter and 58 Jeff, I'm guessing the coins were most likely dropped in 1958 or 59.
 
Still loving the AT Pro, and my keepers since I've started using the AT Pro have noticably increased. I'm at 127 silver coins for the year, which means 67 silvers since I last posted on this thread that I had 60 for the year on July 25. All found using the AT Pro with the exception of about 2 1/2 weeks when I sent my unit in for pinpoint repair and the factory upgrade.

I've noticed lately that my AT appears to be sucking batteries faster than before. It seems like I'm only getting around 10-12 hours before going down to one bar. When I first noticed this I was using Walgreens alkalines, so I switched to Eveready but that doesn't seem to have increased the hours much if at all. I'm going to start logging my times to see if what I'm sensing is actually correct.

Some recent AT Pro finds from a small demo site I got permission to hunt of 1940's postwar homes. I was extra excited to find my first SLQ, and with a legible date.
 
I'm getting about 10-12hrs till 1 bar on my ATPro with Alkaline InfiniCell's from The Source. If you catch them on sale, you can get 48 for like 15$.
 
Thanks for your input, William. Interesting to hear you are having the same experience.

The reason I brought it up is because the AT manual says the unit should get 20-40 hours of usage depending on the batteries used. And it seems like in the past I was getting at least 20 hours on a set of alkaline batteries.

I also noticed the battery indicator was down to one bar when I got out for a little over an hour the other day. After turning the unit off for a minute, it came back on with three bars and was still at two bars when I finished abut 20-30 minutes later.

I'm going to put in new batteries for my next hunting over the weekend and I'll make it a point to track my exact usage for a few sets of batteries so I'll be able to speak facts instead of feelings.

That's a good price on batteries. I stocked up on Walgreens alkaline AAs a while back when they had packs of 4 batteries for $1, but switched to Evereadys see if perhaps my perceived battery issue was because of the battery brand. But it seems like I'm having the same issue with the Eveready alkalines.
 
That amount of silver in one year speaks very well for the detector and also the guy who is swinging it!

Congratulations!

Jerry
 
Many years ago, when flashbulbs first came out, They used carbon zinc batteries to fire them. Later, when electronic flash units and motor drive units became common CZ batteries were devoured by cameras, flashes and drives, so we started using alkalines. Both eras of photography used lots of batteries and batter consumption became the number two cost, after film. Eventually many people bought voltmeters to test batteries before we bought them. Still, we used lots of battereies. Sometimes a brand new battery would work for a long time and sometimes a couple of rolls and they were done. Eventually, camera shops began to carry batteries marked "photoflash". They cost more, but they would last 2 or 3 times as long. I don't know all the details, but the explanation offered was that the 'pf' batteries could put out a more steady voltage while they put out a lot more amps. I guess that a similar situation is when you buy a car battery that is the same size and same voltage, but it is rated at more amp-hours.

One of the commonly used batteries in cameras was a "57". I used to buy them with silver, rather than the ZC or alkaline versions, because the the silver ones made the meter needle much more stable, and they lasted up to a year in use. The other chemistry types were less consistent and much shorter lived.

I suspect that the battery life in a detector is influenced by soil mineralization, moisture, temperature, etc. I also suspect that some of the "tuned up" detectors coming back from the hospital are running on all 12 cylinders for the first time and battery consumption may be a little higher than when they were running a little rough.

I think that it would be interesting to start a poll to find out how long different brands/chemistry batteries last in a given brand/model of MD, when used under similar conditions.
HH,
John Morton
 
Well I can tell allot of difference between the ATPro on 1-2 notches on the battery scale and a full 5 notches. Once it gets down below 2 the detector seems to get a bit sluggish. I don't think it's getting it's full depth or speed of recovery.
Pop in a new set and WHAM, it's 100mph again. Wish there was better batteries than the Alkies though. But I hear rechargables are worse than Alkies.
 
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