minelab

[diggindirt]

A gold/relic hunting package with the standard DD, and a beach package with the 10x14 mono. Ever since I got mine, that is all I am using on the beach. It does not matter to me how much ground I can cover, because once I find a deep nickel, I am sticking around that area for a while and gridding it..moving nice and slow. I guess I am spoiled now, because I would much rather dig up deep iron and not miss the opportunity for a gold ticket, then get beat up clad.

Using that mono coil, I have found that good targets never lose their signal strength when sweeping from all angles and they are a sharper hi/lo or lo/hi signal with a quicker recovery in the sound...ie, the sound is narrow. It may be a weak, faint signal, but it will stay the same strength and not vary throughout the different sweep patterns. Iron targets tend to double hit if they are elongated but also at some point, the signal strength weakens or gets louder and resonates longer...the non-iron targets do not do that with that coil...at least that is what I am finding.

Still...I am digging all targets anyway since I don't hunt but during the weekends and I do not want to miss anything.

JC

Therover

Now combine that knowledge with the reverse disc and iron check functions and you won't be digging much junk!

 

[Craig-PI]

The Dual Field PI is deeper than the Excal or GT... I use the GT in the wet sand where is a lot of iron but if the beach is fairly clear then I want the added depth the Dual Field gives me...I have owned the Excal and now the GT but a good PI is deeper than the Minelab machines... One more thing a person in tune with his PI doesn't dig much more trash than a VLF user does...

 

[PI JOE]

The Dual Field PI is deeper than the Excal or GT... I use the GT in the wet sand where is a lot of iron but if the beach is fairly clear then I want the added depth the Dual Field gives me...I have owned the Excal and now the GT but a good PI is deeper than the Minelab machines... One more thing a person in tune with his PI doesn't dig much more trash than a VLF user does...

Ditto!!! Excal, White's DF and DetectorPro HH PI all has it's place, But here in Conn. shoreline waters, PI's is king! I know lots of hunters from here and other states who own Excal and PI's and when they go waterhunting guess which MD stays home..........that's right.....Excal, Because they know the PI will punch deeper...we all know this...the world knows this! Excal/GT are one of the best VLF out there on wetsand/water...us PI guys know better not to use a PI on lakes, That's where any VLF's comes in. As far as discriminations go's, "Look, Anyone who own a PI knows what a hairpin etc.sounds like....we train our ears for that over the years"! Like I said, All MD has it's place, "But don't come here and tell me/us that the Excal is the world god giving deepest MD.....it's not......IT'S A VLF"!!!

 

[diggindirt]

The Dual Field PI is deeper than the Excal or GT... I use the GT in the wet sand where is a lot of iron but if the beach is fairly clear then I want the added depth the Dual Field gives me...I have owned the Excal and now the GT but a good PI is deeper than the Minelab machines... One more thing a person in tune with his PI doesn't dig much more trash than a VLF user does...

Ditto!!! Excal, White's DF and DetectorPro HH PI all has it's place, But here in Conn. shoreline waters, PI's is king! I know lots of hunters from here and other states who own Excal and PI's and when they go waterhunting guess which MD stays home..........that's right.....Excal, Because they know the PI will punch deeper...we all know this...the world knows this! Excal/GT are one of the best VLF out there on wetsand/water...us PI guys know better not to use a PI on lakes, That's where any VLF's comes in. As far as discriminations go's, "Look, Anyone who own a PI knows what a hairpin etc.sounds like....we train our ears for that over the years"! Like I said, All MD has it's place, "But don't come here and tell me/us that the Excal is the world god giving deepest MD.....it's not......IT'S A VLF"!!!

I agree 100%

 

[marbien]

Well said !!! bravo... some minelubbers get to attached.. In reality its just a machine pick your gun and learn it ,luck does have its way sometimes.

 

[Craig-PI]

The Dual Field PI is deeper than the Excal or GT... I use the GT in the wet sand where is a lot of iron but if the beach is fairly clear then I want the added depth the Dual Field gives me...I have owned the Excal and now the GT but a good PI is deeper than the Minelab machines... One more thing a person in tune with his PI doesn't dig much more trash than a VLF user does...

Ditto!!! Excal, White's DF and DetectorPro HH PI all has it's place, But here in Conn. shoreline waters, PI's is king! I know lots of hunters from here and other states who own Excal and PI's and when they go waterhunting guess which MD stays home..........that's right.....Excal, Because they know the PI will punch deeper...we all know this...the world knows this! Excal/GT are one of the best VLF out there on wetsand/water...us PI guys know better not to use a PI on lakes, That's where any VLF's comes in. As far as discriminations go's, "Look, Anyone who own a PI knows what a hairpin etc.sounds like....we train our ears for that over the years"! Like I said, All MD has it's place, "But don't come here and tell me/us that the Excal is the world god giving deepest MD.....it's not......IT'S A VLF"!!!

Good post Joe... couldn't have said it better myself

 

[pastyman]

I own an Etrac and a GT with the 15"wot coil for beach work, this weekend I took my TDI to the beach instead of the GT, bumped into a m8 who was using his GT and Wot combo. He had not had a single signal, max sensitivity in all metal........

I, on the other hand with the TDI, had lead weights, coins and junk jewellery, no gold, but I had targets and he didn't.

During the season, when there are lots of recent losses at shallower depths, the the GT is my choice, off season with deep sand, it has to be the pulse.....

 

[Critterhunter]

Don't fool yourself. The nature of PI units means they'll never be as good as a VLF machine in terms of eliminating iron. With Iron Mask on my GT I'm avoiding all that regular junk that a PI guy is going to dig regardless of how good the machine is or how well he knows it. If anything otherwise was true you'd see PI units being much more popular than they currently are. Many of us hunt fresh water lakes and these places are a sea of iron because there is no salt water to break them down fast. I think I'd probably rather use a shovel and a sifter in the hopes of finding gold rings than a PI. You probably wouldn't dig any more in terms of iron.

 

[diggindirt]

Don't fool yourself. The nature of PI units means they'll never be as good as a VLF machine in terms of eliminating iron. With Iron Mask on my GT I'm avoiding all that regular junk that a PI guy is going to dig regardless of how good the machine is or how well he knows it. If anything otherwise was true you'd see PI units being much more popular than they currently are. Many of us hunt fresh water lakes and these places are a sea of iron because there is no salt water to break them down fast. I think I'd probably rather use a shovel and a sifter in the hopes of finding gold rings than a PI. You probably wouldn't dig any more in terms of iron.

No one's fooling anyone A PI is not going to eliminate iron like a VLF (no one said that).

But, I'll tell that with my ear training, reverse disc, and iron check functions being used correctly, I really don't dig much more junk
over my other VLF machines! At times I just go for the high/lows (gold) and I pull up my fair share too.

There's plenty more PI hunters out there than you're giving credit for, and in some areas you'll only see PI detectors due to high iron.

If you think a shovel and sifter or for that matter an excal, would find gold better than my Infinium, I gotta laugh
I like going low and slow in the tracks of any hunters with any brand machine because I usually find deeper gold missed that's barely in the range of my PI let alone any VLF!

I have and still use my CZ20 and Beach Hunter 300 successfully in areas or situations where I feel they would be better!

This topic is getting old fast, use what you use, learn it well and find good stuff! Thanks!

 

[Craig-PI]

Don't fool yourself. The nature of PI units means they'll never be as good as a VLF machine in terms of eliminating iron. With Iron Mask on my GT I'm avoiding all that regular junk that a PI guy is going to dig regardless of how good the machine is or how well he knows it. If anything otherwise was true you'd see PI units being much more popular than they currently are. Many of us hunt fresh water lakes and these places are a sea of iron because there is no salt water to break them down fast. I think I'd probably rather use a shovel and a sifter in the hopes of finding gold rings than a PI. You probably wouldn't dig any more in terms of iron.

I love it when I read posts like yours... personally I don't dig much more trash than a VLF user does (I don't really care whether you believe it or not) ... my detector will hear the gold yours won't even make a peep on... I run the GT in iron infested area's so yeah they have a place on the beach... do you know what iron sounds like to a PI? it has a large signature, I don't dig large or wide targets.. I listen for the quietest whispers and narrow targets... I don't dig nails, wire or bobbiepins because they give off a double blip...I replied to your posts because you said the Minelab was the deepest machine... wrong its not... My two detectors are the Dual Field and the GT... where I hunt most hunters use the PI as their main machine and have a VLF for those area's not great for the PI...

 

[PI JOE]

Don't fool yourself. The nature of PI units means they'll never be as good as a VLF machine in terms of eliminating iron. With Iron Mask on my GT I'm avoiding all that regular junk that a PI guy is going to dig regardless of how good the machine is or how well he knows it. If anything otherwise was true you'd see PI units being much more popular than they currently are. Many of us hunt fresh water lakes and these places are a sea of iron because there is no salt water to break them down fast. I think I'd probably rather use a shovel and a sifter in the hopes of finding gold rings than a PI. You probably wouldn't dig any more in terms of iron.

Yeah diggindirt is right, This topic is getting old....you just don't get it!!

 

[OldBeechnut]

Just got a Dual Field used it for the first time this past weekend, have hunted with a Infinium with 10x14 along with a CZ20 {8} for the summer............. Have hunted with 2 excals 800 & 1ooo the Past 4 years, Had a Whites PI 1ooo........... years ago,, some work better then others in different locations, to say one is better then the other depends on the person using them and the location. I'm finding Gold with all, took the DF and the excal 1000 out this weekend, did a side by side 3 targets...AMP ON and the excal could pull all 3 deep targets, Maxed settings on the DF, only pulled 2..does this matter that the excal went deeper or is a better machine..............No........because on this beach against a seasoned DF hunter that knows his machine, has a history with this beach, and knows the History of this beach...He is going to do as well as me if not better,........Excal in the Chesapeake Bay, the Infinium & CZ 20 do better, and I'm a seasoned Excal user..Hunted a Lake a few weeks ago {first time there}, CZ 20 8 inch picked thur all the coins {and there were thousands} Got one Gold Ring and a early 1900's Brass ring, I did dig 34 nickles....2 quarters, 1 dime....Could the others do this...........Each are site dependent and Owner dependent........To say one is Better then the other........My personal opinion.....No

 

[hershey1]

Good answer OBN. You hit the nail on the head every detector and experienced user has their place. If I'm just hunting gold and silver because of time I put a nickel in one shoe and a dime in the other and don't dig pull tabs or anything else I don't want to dig. Wonder where I heard that trick from? HH

 

[PI JOE]

Just got a Dual Field used it for the first time this past weekend, have hunted with a Infinium with 10x14 along with a CZ20 {8} for the summer............. Have hunted with 2 excals 800 & 1ooo the Past 4 years, Had a Whites PI 1ooo........... years ago,, some work better then others in different locations, to say one is better then the other depends on the person using them and the location. I'm finding Gold with all, took the DF and the excal 1000 out this weekend, did a side by side 3 targets...AMP ON and the excal could pull all 3 deep targets, Maxed settings on the DF, only pulled 2..does this matter that the excal went deeper or is a better machine..............No........because on this beach against a seasoned DF hunter that knows his machine, has a history with this beach, and knows the History of this beach...He is going to do as well as me if not better,........Excal in the Chesapeake Bay, the Infinium & CZ 20 do better, and I'm a seasoned Excal user..Hunted a Lake a few weeks ago {first time there}, CZ 20 8 inch picked thur all the coins {and there were thousands} Got one Gold Ring and a early 1900's Brass ring, I did dig 34 nickles....2 quarters, 1 dime....Could the others do this...........Each are site dependent and Owner dependent........To say one is Better then the other........My personal opinion.....No

That's why I said it has it's place Joe......for him to say the Excal is the deepest MD out there is not true! Saying like 'alien technology and I'm just trying to figure out where they found a crashed UFO to steal the technology'....C'mon!! My point is we all know a PI is the deepest.....it's where and how one use it. Good post Joe.