minelab

[stateguyt]

Can anyone tell me why they (minelab) has not came out with a new water machine in the last 15years?
Please dont telll me that the excalibur2 is a new water machine or why fix it if its not broken
We have seen new land machines and nugget machines
like I said its been a long time and we need a better and depper machine

 

[hershey1]

If they come out with a better machine than the Excalibur I'll buy one. Maybe if the competition starts getting close they'll release another machine but I don't see that happening any time soon. HH

 

[txkickergirl]

A new water machine you gotta be kidding, they can't even fix the one they sell in a timely manner.

 

[NEBeachcomber]

Why would they invent a new water machine when they still have people standing in line to buy the present production model?

 

[Jason in Enid]

Why would they invent a new water machine when they still have people standing in line to buy the present production model?

Exactly! Companies create new technologies all the time. They wait for the market to saturate with current technology before a new roll-out. And since no other company has produced anything as good in a VLF water machine, no need to replace. I can promise you that as soon as Garrett or Whites comes out with something as good, MineLab will top them the next year.

 

[hershey1]

Comparing the other companies with Minelab is like entering a nascar race with an exercise bike. Peddle as hard as you want to but you are not going to win. HH

 

[Critterhunter]

Minelab can wait another ten years and the 15 year old Excal (& Sovereign models) will still be light years ahead of the competition. What's inside these BBS machines (Sovereign/Excal) is like advanced alien technology. Other companies don't even come close in terms of depth, ID, etc. I even say the FBS machines (Explorer, Etrac) don't do as well or go as deep in some grounds. I know my Explorers sure didn't, and I owned three over the years. In order to look towards the future you have to look towards the "past", and that's my GT. In fact, any of the older Sovereign models is pretty much deeper than anything on the planet. When somebody builds a machine that can at least come close to the Excal in terms of depth in easy ground then maybe, but once the ground minerals or salt get nasty the competition sits at the kid's table. It's a compliment to Minelab. How many other companies can say that some machine they invented 15 years ago is still so far advanced in terms of the compeitition that they haven't had to come out with a new model? Answer is nobody can say that, except Minelab. I'm just trying to figure out where they found a crashed UFO to steal the technology from.

 

[crazyman]

But 100% correct!

 

[crazyman]

n/t

 

[JOHNMARKHAM]

ENOUGH said...........

 

[stateguyt]

I guess you guys are are new to the hobby
but you will see what i am talking about give it time

 

[Jason in Enid]

Comparing the other companies with Minelab is like entering a nascar race with an exercise bike. Peddle as hard as you want to but you are not going to win. HH

Soooo, you are saying that a Minelab is a highly technical machine that requires constant attention from a team a dedicated technicians, complete overhaul after every use, is basically disposable after a season?

 

[Critterhunter]

That's of course not true, but even if it was it would be worth it to a lot of people. Other machines just can't keep up. 4 or 5 gold rings and you've paid for your detector in scrap gold weight.

 

[diggindirt]

n/t

 

[diggindirt]

That's of course not true, but even if it was it would be worth it to a lot of people. Other machines just can't keep up. 4 or 5 gold rings and you've paid for your detector in scrap gold weight.

Well, I paid for my Infinium a long, long time ago!

Not to get into a battle here, but I've actually found multiple gold targets many times per hunt!

As far as depth goes, I had a sov gt and the Infinium with the 10x14 mono is much deeper IMHO.

I really don't dig much junk because I know my machine, proper settings, reverse disc, iron check, different sounds.....etc.

Now i'm not putting down the Excal though, but in horrible black sand the Infinium wins hands down!

I've had my best year so far and don't need to brag, but to say nothing else comes close is just a foolish statement.

Thanks!

 

[tvr]

Can anyone tell me why they (minelab) has not came out with a new water machine in the last 15years? Please dont telll me that the excalibur2 is a new water machine

Probably the same reason First Texas came out with the "new" CZ21 that is essentially a CZ20 design updated with currently supportable parts and packaging.

They have not developed a product that actually performs significantly, or even measurably, better in the conditions these units work in.

my 2 cents.
tvr

 

[therover]

I can't argue with my Infiniums success either, and I have had it less than a month. The big mono coil is da bomb and one can start to hear the difference iron makes vs. good targets. Especially shallow iron.

I have had my best year too...all within 3 weeks time.

 

[Critterhunter]

Apples and Oranges. Of course *some* PI units get deeper than these Minelabs in certain locations, but ain't nothing deeper than an Excal/GT otherwise. That's like me saying I can go deeper than your machine using a bulldozer. Ridiculous statement because of the hassle involved, but in many parts of the country using a PI would be no less a hassle than the bulldozer. If you live where a PI is possible to use due to very little iron trash then fine, but I know on my beaches and in the lakes I hunt a PI just won't cut iron out of your life as well as an Excal or Sovereign. A friend had a Excal and a PI. Guess which one he sold.

I tried hunting with my GT in PP and All Metal modes for a while on one beach and I didn't move out of a 20 foot square area the entire time due to the amount of iron, steel, bobby pins, and other junk that the normal discrimination mode otherwise ignores for me. A PI is still a PI. The "discrimination"
"ability" of those machines that claim to have it will never be as good as an Excal or Sovereign. Besides, I can't imagine wanting to dig any deeper than I already am on the beach or when water hunting. By the abundance of targets I can tell that most other non-Minelab machines aren't getting nearly the depth. While somebody with a PI is digging his 100th bobby pin I will have already covered about 10 to 20 times (no joke) the same amount of ground, not dug one of those, and got all the non-ferrous items out of the way for them so they can concentrate on the digging all that deep iron and not be distracted by all the other stuff.

 

[diggindirt]

I'll tell ya though; I really don't dig up hairpins because they give a distinct double beep and tone with the 10x14 mono coil on the Infinium!

If you really take the time to learn the Infinium (sounds) and use the machines features correctly, you'll dig much less junk too.
Go read the posts in the Infinium classroom forum and some members are killing gold in lakes (freshwater).

Now I use my Beach Hunter 300 or my CZ20 in the freshwater, but I've got to tell you nothing IMHO runs as smooth and deep as the Infinium
in black sanded areas! I've pulled fat heavy DEEP gold rings and chains in Excal pounded areas and that's no bull.

The other thing is Minelab is definitely not the same company anymore with all the negative things I've read recently.
Garrett is amazing with their customer service and the machines are made right here in the good ol USA and built to really last!

Hunters are also killing on relics in hot red clay down south with the Infinium, swap out a coil to fit the environment and it's one hard machine to beat!

The Infinium in experienced hunters hands is lethal, but I would NOT recommend this detector for beginners or someone not willing to REALLY take the time
to learn it as it's completely different than any other detector being used! If I had to look back now, I would say it took about 100 hrs before I really understood what the detector was telling me!

Like I said in my last post, I'm not here to argue or battle with anyone.

Thanks!

 

[therover]

A gold/relic hunting package with the standard DD, and a beach package with the 10x14 mono. Ever since I got mine, that is all I am using on the beach. It does not matter to me how much ground I can cover, because once I find a deep nickel, I am sticking around that area for a while and gridding it..moving nice and slow. I guess I am spoiled now, because I would much rather dig up deep iron and not miss the opportunity for a gold ticket, then get beat up clad.

Using that mono coil, I have found that good targets never lose their signal strength when sweeping from all angles and they are a sharper hi/lo or lo/hi signal with a quicker recovery in the sound...ie, the sound is narrow. It may be a weak, faint signal, but it will stay the same strength and not vary throughout the different sweep patterns. Iron targets tend to double hit if they are elongated but also at some point, the signal strength weakens or gets louder and resonates longer...the non-iron targets do not do that with that coil...at least that is what I am finding.

Still...I am digging all targets anyway since I don't hunt but during the weekends and I do not want to miss anything.

JC