Minelab Manticore

[DigDog]

Smart marketing. Nobody is buying a MF detector in this class while Minelab has everyone holding their breath in anticipation.

Again at the price point it hopefully performs alot better than the equinox.To be seen how accurate the 2d screen is. In dig situations.
As it appears as a fancy ferrous/ nonferrous indicator display.. as so far things some noted, like better audio, lights up at night, fancy looking headphones, decals and carbon fiber shaft might not be enough to put it over the top for some.
In car sales Hondas were really easy to sell to honda owners as they have a loyal following and whenever a new model came out they bought just because it was a new model no matter the price.
Everyone else would rather buy a similar Toyota,Nissan, etc that was alot less.
I think alot that will buy will be the loyal followers. The rest will have to be shown why its worth the extra money.
The prequel has not been overly impressive, time will tell I guess.
Those that get it better not be digging any trash and lots of deep coins

 

[sube]

I was looking for the red minus could not see . Aside from that there's still a target on the non-ferrous line . So how is one going to determine if we have a good target with a bad as opposed a falsing nail giving a high and low .
I know you can get rid of most nail falsing by messaging the target coil angle and so on . That's why this looks similar to the ctx but the ctx would have done better ID wise with the bent nail .

Don't get me wrong I see a lot of promise in this machine audio speed and all the different search modes I lived with falsing with all machines I have had in the last 53 years nothing new then again I don't have the manticore yet I may be talking out of my #ss as far as I know .sube

 

[jim tn]

Those that get it better not be digging any trash and lots of deep coins

If I'm not digging some trash, DigDog, I know I'm missing some good targets. Yesterday I almost passed over a low coin reading on the Nox highly suspecting is was a crushed bottle cap or at best a zinc cent. It turned out to be a small 925 marked ladies ring. For turf hunting, if the Manticore was to get another inch depth over the Nox or my F 75, I would consider that a break through. And who knows, maybe it will even get a little more. If the Manticore turns out to be just another good detector, so be it. In the mean time, until I and others prove otherwise, I will simply keep and open mind. HH Jim Tn

 

[DigDog]

I was looking for the red minus could not see . Aside from that there's still a target on the non-ferrous line . So how is one going to determine if we have a good target with a bad as opposed a falsing nail giving a high and low .
I know you can get rid of most nail falsing by messaging the target coil angle and so on . That's why this looks similar to the ctx but the ctx would have done better ID wise with the bent nail .

Don't get me wrong I see a lot of promise in this machine audio speed and all the different search modes I lived with falsing with all machines I have had in the last 53 years nothing new then again I don't have the manticore yet I may be talking out of my #ss as far as I know .sube

I agree. No manual and only some air test videos is a hard sale though.
Maybe I haven’t seen them but the manufacturer down to the testers just show some videos of, well here it is, isn’t it pretty, lights up really nice at night and air tests nice with some good tones.
Is there any with,ok here is the 800 over a target in the ground and here is the core, or here is the core picking up a target and now the 800 over the same target. Any actual real life testing and comparison videos, not with another brand but show how it’s better than its predecessor.
I don’t think its too much to ask for if you want that much more for it.
Sell me on the product’s performance being better not just cosmetics and some bells and whistles.
As for alot of things like tones and stuff could have been overhauled in a software update. Similar to a new operating system on your phone, computer but then again they rather sell a whole new unit I imagine.
What good is a updatable system if you can’t incorporate those features into what you already have.
Have to split up what is software improvements and what is hardware.
You can throw a new shaft, headset, some decals on your 800 as well but if the screen is the same i wonder if they could just have done a new software update with the 2D feature on the 800.
Is the 2d a hardware upgrade as well as software. I don’t know. Could they have just did a control box upgrade if all else is the same as a cost saving option.
Many ways to skin a cat as they say.
They were creative in for example the Xterra no need to buy a whole new detector just swap out the coil and you have different detectors. Same principle could have came up with different control boxes to swap out and keep your shafts and coils
would probably been a good option to give people who couldn’t necessarily afford a whole new unit and keep the product line going.
Milwaukee, Dewalt and other companies took that approach with selling batteries and made it hard to switch to the competitor.

 

[CoinShooter01]

If I'm not digging some trash, DigDog, I know I'm missing some good targets. Yesterday I almost passed over a low coin reading on the Nox highly suspecting is was a crushed bottle cap or at best a zinc cent. It turned out to be a small 925 marked ladies ring. For turf hunting, if the Manticore was to get another inch depth over the Nox or my F 75, I would consider that a break through. And who knows, maybe it will even get a little more. If the Manticore turns out to be just another good detector, so be it. In the mean time, until I and others prove otherwise, I will simply keep and open mind. HH Jim Tn

This video might help.

Shows various targets.

The 2D screen helps determine the shape of a unknown target, and its position on the VDI scale...

 

[DigDog]

If I'm not digging some trash, DigDog, I know I'm missing some good targets.

Exactly! As to my point, spend alot of money so you won’t dig trash, is probably not the best route to go in this hobby as we all know you are probably missing stuff if you don’t.
It appears as, spend alot more and miss alot more.
Maybe it will be something we have never experienced before and extremely accurate but then again if you are not digging how do you know if you missed something or not

 

[DigDog]

This video might help.

Shows various targets.

The 2D screen helps determine the shape of a unknown target, and its position on the VDI scale...

Again ESPECIALLY from him who likes to do actual dig tests. Nothing but air tests.
Can we see some dig tests. Why not?
Air tests and dig tests can be ’s and orange ’s in many cases especially in mineralized ground. Love to see how it does on the beach especially

 

[DigDog]

If I’m going to say, ok if I’m considering spend xmoney on a 800 but will possibly spend nearly twice as much for the core but i have to see its that much better, some air test are just not going to cut it, for me anyway. A loyal brand consumer might look at it differently and no matter the price they just want it. But those are not the customers they need to convince.
Like political parties those di hard registered voters to one party are going to vote for most part for their party no matter the policies they have. Its the independent voters they need to convince and also the opposite party as to why they should vote for them.
Show us a little more other then, because we are the number one brand see how cool it looks trust us.
Again those with unlimited funds and strict brand loyalty is one thing.
I love the brand just can’t afford to go into it blindly.
Perhaps have to wait to see it from user experiences and reviews.
Has anyone in the US other than testers even received one yet.

 

[CoinShooter01]

Now we know:

 

[CoinShooter01]

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[CoinShooter01]

Coils:

 

[DigDog]

Coils:

Nice elliptical coil but what the heck is a ML 700&900 detector

 

[DigDog]

Equinox 700&900?
Typo or is there other models

 

[jayhop]

Nice elliptical coil but what the heck is a ML 700&900 detector

Maybe a 600 and 800 that doesn't leak and the coil ears don't break.

 

[DigDog]

Maybe a 600 and 800 that doesn't leak and the coil ears don't break.

Wonder what other info is a typo now geez.
Not like currently dozens of product models and specs to keep track of
Someone had to approve the ad i would think

 

[Mark kus]

I noticed a few things in this unboxing video....

1. The new headphones look nice, well padded and comfortable. Ventilated perhaps? Looking forward to more info on the new headphones.

2. The carbon fiber shaft looks like its plenty long for extremly tall users....PLENTY long for tall users!

3. New logo on the front of the control pad!

The redesigned coil is the best thing yet no more breaking coil ears!

 

[Mark kus]

Maybe a 600 and 800 that doesn't leak and the coil ears don't break.

New equinox 700-900 says on Facebook

 

[CoinShooter01]

Maybe a 600 and 800 that doesn't leak and the coil ears don't break.

Looks like its waterproof:

 

[sgoss66]

Dan I watch the vid on 2d tdi the nail is what interest me showing on the ferrous line and the false on the non-ferrous line hummmmm .The point is I am seeing two targets good and bad the guy seem to go though it very quickly like he really didn't want to show that . As far as the good targets any metal detector would see them .What I want to see is how trash looks like with coins the nail is very revealing nail false showing on the non-ferrous line .sube

sube -- yep, that's what I was expecting; just like the CTX does, as you know. Unfortunately, a "false" will still show up as a good target. What we need to hope for, is that the ability of the machine to call a nail "iron," INSTEAD of "falsing," is improved, over prior machines. In other words, better accuracy on nails and fewer falses. I think we both hope that's the case!

Steve

 

[sgoss66]

Again at the price point it hopefully performs alot better than the equinox.To be seen how accurate the 2d screen is. In dig situations.
As it appears as a fancy ferrous/ nonferrous indicator display.. as so far things some noted, like better audio, lights up at night, fancy looking headphones, decals and carbon fiber shaft might not be enough to put it over the top for some.
In car sales Hondas were really easy to sell to honda owners as they have a loyal following and whenever a new model came out they bought just because it was a new model no matter the price.
Everyone else would rather buy a similar Toyota,Nissan, etc that was alot less.
I think alot that will buy will be the loyal followers. The rest will have to be shown why its worth the extra money.
The prequel has not been overly impressive, time will tell I guess.
Those that get it better not be digging any trash and lots of deep coins

DigDog -- Minelab's mantra is "performance is everything," and they usually deliver. I don't expect the MC to be "leaps and bounds" ahead of the Equinox, but I do expect small improvements in the performance. But, even so, I am certain I will be digging plenty of trash with it, as there's no way to avoid that!

Steve