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Maybe I should try a visual id meter?
- Thread starter rmptr
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TonyTX(MXT)
Member
rmptr, I dig plenty of trash but that's ok because you never know what can turn up. After using my MXT for several years I didn't think I'd use anything else but I kept hearing about these Tesoro non metered detectors and picked one up. I usually don't find silver coins or what I'd consider good stuff but I find plenty of clad. I've been looking for a place that might yield some nice relics but they are hard to find where I live. I kinda got used to digging only when I got a good ID on the MXT but then I was missing stuff. I like these Tesoro non metered machines. Just stick with it and you will get some great stuff in with the junk. HH TonyTX 
There's a good chance that most of that trash would fool an ID machine. The tabs could be confused with nickels or rings; the foil could be confused with small gold; the screw caps with pennies. The ID machines base their "guess" on the conductivity and size of the item. You could swing an ID machine and only dig "sure things", but you'd miss goodies that have different conductivity than "standard" measurements because of such factors as corrosion, depth, and ground materials.
The more I use the Tesoro the more I like it. Can't wait for more swing time.
w
The more I use the Tesoro the more I like it. Can't wait for more swing time.
w
nick hunter
New member
Yep.
Personal logbooks over fifteen years confirm the posts above. I found four times more with non metered, simple detectors than with my top of the line digital TID ones (White's & Garrett). The reasons are explained above. Onto my deserted winter beaches I found the equivalent of $600 in gold since begin of this year. those golden jewels were to find on the low side of the disc scale.
Keep digging it all and remove trash. A nice gold ring is indeed waiting somewhere.
HH
Nick the Belgian
Personal logbooks over fifteen years confirm the posts above. I found four times more with non metered, simple detectors than with my top of the line digital TID ones (White's & Garrett). The reasons are explained above. Onto my deserted winter beaches I found the equivalent of $600 in gold since begin of this year. those golden jewels were to find on the low side of the disc scale.
Keep digging it all and remove trash. A nice gold ring is indeed waiting somewhere.
HH
Nick the Belgian
Thank you all for the impressive advice.
Thanks to the Tesoro Forum, I've begun digging more foil.
I'm sure it will pay off, as it has in the fine examples I've seen.
My situation is most likely because of the sites I hunt at, and now I'll have a new rash of Easter candy wrappings to recover!
I really shouldn't be a wanker, but I'm SO tired of foil!!!! and the memorial? I'm almost ready to see em convert it to condos...
Thanks for the encouragement. I'll go back and do my duty, cleaning the parks!
It WAS nice getting to the beach for a bit, the other day, though.
A change of scenery is always good.
HH
rmptr
Thanks to the Tesoro Forum, I've begun digging more foil.
I'm sure it will pay off, as it has in the fine examples I've seen.
My situation is most likely because of the sites I hunt at, and now I'll have a new rash of Easter candy wrappings to recover!
I really shouldn't be a wanker, but I'm SO tired of foil!!!! and the memorial? I'm almost ready to see em convert it to condos...
Thanks for the encouragement. I'll go back and do my duty, cleaning the parks!
It WAS nice getting to the beach for a bit, the other day, though.
A change of scenery is always good.
HH
rmptr
Like the others here I have only used metered machines prior to the Tesoro. IMHO the only thing the meter does is show you on a screen that you hit on an object that (SHOULD) tone out to be a penny,nickel, dime or whatever. You dig and still have a good chance on it being a bottle cap, piece of shredded can, or a pop top. No matter what tone you get or what meter reading you see it is up to you to decide if its a good or bad target. The machine is just letting you know there is a target under the coil that corresponds to whatever you have your discrimination set at.
This is the reason I tell everyone that if you have any doubt whatsoever dig it. The discrimination between many metal objects is very close. Nickel and bottle caps are close. Gold and junk are close. Aluminum and silver are close. I believe the more you discriminate out the more good stuff you are going to leave in the ground. Now I do discriminate in very, very trashy areas but when I do I know I am missing nickels and rings. You just have to decide what works best for you.
I try to do a guessing game on every hit my machine makes. I am usually wrong but the more you get used to the tone, the way your machine responds with a wave of the coil, and the more accurate you get at your guesses on what you are digging the easier and more you will find. Good luck. Remember your detector is only a tool. It is made to respond to metal under the ground. It will do this correctly every time. Its up to you to decide if what it detects is what you want.
This is the reason I tell everyone that if you have any doubt whatsoever dig it. The discrimination between many metal objects is very close. Nickel and bottle caps are close. Gold and junk are close. Aluminum and silver are close. I believe the more you discriminate out the more good stuff you are going to leave in the ground. Now I do discriminate in very, very trashy areas but when I do I know I am missing nickels and rings. You just have to decide what works best for you.
I try to do a guessing game on every hit my machine makes. I am usually wrong but the more you get used to the tone, the way your machine responds with a wave of the coil, and the more accurate you get at your guesses on what you are digging the easier and more you will find. Good luck. Remember your detector is only a tool. It is made to respond to metal under the ground. It will do this correctly every time. Its up to you to decide if what it detects is what you want.
A few hours at my favorite soccer fields today with the CZ and Pantera got me a handful of clad.
The CZ with 10" coil is just too much for a trashy park.
The Pantera got 90% of the pile and was a breeze to use, after an hour of using the CZ.
I gave up on probing for a target, then got the same tone a few feet away, probed, and this one was very shallow and I saw the dirt move as my probe passed right through it! Oh, I was using an icepick, for a probe... Turned out to be a large, but thin copper earring.
Think it would be wise if I went with the Tabdog selection of digging tools, pretty soon.
HH
The CZ with 10" coil is just too much for a trashy park.
The Pantera got 90% of the pile and was a breeze to use, after an hour of using the CZ.
I gave up on probing for a target, then got the same tone a few feet away, probed, and this one was very shallow and I saw the dirt move as my probe passed right through it! Oh, I was using an icepick, for a probe... Turned out to be a large, but thin copper earring.
Think it would be wise if I went with the Tabdog selection of digging tools, pretty soon.
HH
My main thing is enjoyment. If I'm in a real trashy park and already dug a gazillion
tabs I am going to set the disc at zinc and swing away. But in a tot lot where digging
is easy i'm going to set the disc low and dig it all. I know that I am missing some things
among the trash but I dont always have time to clean an area.
I'm also noticing that the same coins will react different, "depth, the way a coin is laying,
soil conditions" all play a factor in the tone that is given. So it would seem that a vid
would miss a lot of coins that were not in ideal situation.
(Disclaimer) Rookie so please overlook anything that dont make sense.
tabs I am going to set the disc at zinc and swing away. But in a tot lot where digging
is easy i'm going to set the disc low and dig it all. I know that I am missing some things
among the trash but I dont always have time to clean an area.
I'm also noticing that the same coins will react different, "depth, the way a coin is laying,
soil conditions" all play a factor in the tone that is given. So it would seem that a vid
would miss a lot of coins that were not in ideal situation.
(Disclaimer) Rookie so please overlook anything that dont make sense.
Hi Ironpit,
I am going through a progression.
At first, I would us discriminatoon and notching. I would watch a TID and I was
affrade to dig too much. But it seemed that I was missing too much.
Next I learned about jewelry and easy tot lot digging. I recovered thousands upon
thousands of targets. I am still doing the tot lot thing when I can find one that has
some booty. I progressed to fresh water swim beaches.
Now I am daring to run at no discrimination in trashy environments. Sometimes
on the Compadre and Euro I use some because they go so low. I am starting to
analize targets more and use more information to decide whether to dig or not.
Using that method of discrimination is frustrating and takes longer. But it can
increase your good finds per holes dug. That's improtant to me because I can
not dig many holes before I give out.
HH,
I am going through a progression.
At first, I would us discriminatoon and notching. I would watch a TID and I was
affrade to dig too much. But it seemed that I was missing too much.
Next I learned about jewelry and easy tot lot digging. I recovered thousands upon
thousands of targets. I am still doing the tot lot thing when I can find one that has
some booty. I progressed to fresh water swim beaches.
Now I am daring to run at no discrimination in trashy environments. Sometimes
on the Compadre and Euro I use some because they go so low. I am starting to
analize targets more and use more information to decide whether to dig or not.
Using that method of discrimination is frustrating and takes longer. But it can
increase your good finds per holes dug. That's improtant to me because I can
not dig many holes before I give out.
HH,
Keep in mind what were doing here - were detecting, not discerning. For those who dont know, DISC was created to overcome iron, NOT to tell rings from pulltabs.Silver is the easy stuff; everything else falls in the vast midrange somehere. There is no detector that will keep you from digging trash, so bank on it.
The real trick to getting less trash? Pick your hunting spots better.
The real trick to getting less trash? Pick your hunting spots better.
Let me make a little amendment:
Often we are forced to hunt in trashy sites. The way to hunt in trash is with a sniper coil. It will allow you to pick through it better.
Secondly, a good detector with a numerical VID or reliable TID is a benefit. Both of these require you to invest the time and exeprience to understand what the circuitry is telling you, however.
But again, note I said benefit. Nothing is foolproof.
To ensure you've done all you can, heres a method for you...
.
1. Go over a site, DISC'ing out all but silver range targets. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called "cherry picking"
2. Go over the same site, DISC'ing out only iron. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called "Jewelry Mode."
3. Go over the same site in NO DISC. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called, All Metal."
Be prepared for some surprises.
Often we are forced to hunt in trashy sites. The way to hunt in trash is with a sniper coil. It will allow you to pick through it better.
Secondly, a good detector with a numerical VID or reliable TID is a benefit. Both of these require you to invest the time and exeprience to understand what the circuitry is telling you, however.
But again, note I said benefit. Nothing is foolproof.
To ensure you've done all you can, heres a method for you...
.
1. Go over a site, DISC'ing out all but silver range targets. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called "cherry picking"
2. Go over the same site, DISC'ing out only iron. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called "Jewelry Mode."
3. Go over the same site in NO DISC. Dig everything that repeats in at least one direction. This is called, All Metal."
Be prepared for some surprises.
TonyTX(MXT)
Member
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That's a good way to go about it, dahut!
I'll need to give that raised level of discrimination a try. Never have run it much over 1 1/2 - 2.
Yet on my Pantera, I run the notch at about 5 1/2 when I suspect a lot of tabs.
It was scary, today...
Only 1 tab.
A couple nickels, half dozen dimes, 3 quarters, and a couple bits of foil and scrap.
This is a lot of memorials to dig in a 50ft square! I had chosen a nice early afternoon shady spot beneath a nice big tree.
All surface targets. Only a few were down to 2" because of compacted gravel just beneath the turf.
Think I'll take the CS coil on my Silver Sabre back in a few hours and do as you say and run a fast surface sweep over the main body of the park where it is NOT shaded.
HH
I'll need to give that raised level of discrimination a try. Never have run it much over 1 1/2 - 2.
Yet on my Pantera, I run the notch at about 5 1/2 when I suspect a lot of tabs.
It was scary, today...
Only 1 tab.
A couple nickels, half dozen dimes, 3 quarters, and a couple bits of foil and scrap.
This is a lot of memorials to dig in a 50ft square! I had chosen a nice early afternoon shady spot beneath a nice big tree.
All surface targets. Only a few were down to 2" because of compacted gravel just beneath the turf.
Think I'll take the CS coil on my Silver Sabre back in a few hours and do as you say and run a fast surface sweep over the main body of the park where it is NOT shaded.
HH
It takes a really long time, and in turth, is best used when your test runs have shown a chance for good gleanings.
For tot lots and the like, I rely on my Golden's TID to get me started. I usually just disc out iron and unearth everything
At old sites and houses, there is really no other way to work it but this systematic approach. So many things from the past fall onto the scale at "common trash" readings, that you have little other choice. Much good stuff is way down the line, very close to iron.
For tot lots and the like, I rely on my Golden's TID to get me started. I usually just disc out iron and unearth everything
At old sites and houses, there is really no other way to work it but this systematic approach. So many things from the past fall onto the scale at "common trash" readings, that you have little other choice. Much good stuff is way down the line, very close to iron.