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Matrix M6 First Impressions

Hi,

Well, I have a new Matrix M6 and am getting ready to take it on Christmas vacation with me to Hawaii. I consider the M6 to basically be an MXT focused on the Coin & Jewelry Mode so I figured this forum to be the best place to post this.

Some background on me. I got to use the first White's MXT in Alaska, and was the first guy to find gold with it at Ganes Creek, Alaska. Story at http://www.whiteselectronics.com/mxtalaskaw.php I consider the MXT to be one of the finest multi-purpose detectors ever designed, if you define multi-purpose as meaning real good at finding gold nuggets but also good for coins, relics, jewelry, etc. I talked a lot of people into using the MXT at Ganes Creek, and so I'll take some credit for indirectly having helped prove the capability of the MXT in that arena.

<img src="http://www.recminer.com/images/m61.jpg"><br><b>My new toy, outfitted with Eclipse 10" elliptical DD coil instead of stock coil</b>

I have used the MXT for coin hunting, but frankly, like many, I thought the machine a bit "noisy" when compared to most coin detectors. And like many I also wanted something a bit better on the target id than having to eyeball numbers for every target.

White's has introduced the new Matrix M6 and in my opinion it is basically an MXT locked into Coin & Jewelry Mode, and thus is the unit designed to answer these desires on the part of MXT coin hunters. The Mode switch is gone and so there is no Relic or Prospecting Mode. The threshold is now silent and the Threshold knob has also been removed. If you turn the "SENS" knob (White's no longer calls it GAIN!) up over 100 interference starts to break through and give the impression of a ratty threshold, but it is not the same thing as a true threshold adjustment. The dual function of the DISC control has been reduced to just a single turn DISC knob as there is now no Prospecting Mode and so no SAT to adjust. The TRAC switch is now marked "Beach", "Lock Off", and "On" instead of the "Salt", "Lock", and "Ground" markings on the MXT.

So the box now has three controls instead of five. You get a combo sensitivity/power off control, single turn discrimination control, and three position ground switch.

The final control is the trigger switch. In normal center position you get the single tone of the MXT Coin & Jewelry Mode, albeit without a threshold. That good old-fashioned White's "boom box" response. Now kick the trigger switch into the locked forward position, and you get the biggest new feature on the machine - seven tone audio. The preset tab notch on the MXT C&J Mode is no longer included. Squeezing the trigger gives you the standard depth/pinpointing mode.

The M6 is based on the Pro series rod with trigger mounted in a post. Personally, I've always preferred the smaller round grip. I know others prefer the pistol grip, so this is a personal preference thing for sure. I like the trigger being truly out of the way and it is now almost impossible for the pod to ride on top of your hand. So personally I prefer the M6 rod setup over the MXT.

<img src="http://www.recminer.com/images/m62.jpg">
<b>M6 Rod and Trigger Detail</b>

The pod and LCD readout are the same as the MXT Coin & Jewelry mode. The decal has been replaced with one that shows the Coin & Jewelry Mode only and a large bar showing IRON/GOLD/SILVER that I think looks kind of nice and which reveals a certain "gold bias" on the part on the M6. One thing White's could have done here to really help out would have been to incorporate break points for the 7 tone audio into the decal. Color coding the VDI scale would have been nice but simple lines would have sufficed.

<img src="http://www.whiteselectronics.com/images/m6display.gif">
<b>Matrix M6 LCD Display</b>

The tones are the big new thing on this unit, and White's has chosen to break the VDI scale up via tones in such a way that it seems to me the unit was almost designed more for jewelry detecting than coin detecting. All the audio resolution is on the low end.

Here is White's published VDI/Tone scale:

-95 = 57Hz (Low tone)
-94 to -4 = 128 Hz
-5 to 7 = 145 Hz
8 to 26 = 182 Hz
27 to 49 = 259 Hz
50 to 70 = 411 Hz
70 to 95 = 900 (High tone) Hz

First, we have some discrepancies. The -94 to -4 = 128 Hz and -5 to 7 = 145 Hz ranges overlap at -4 and -5! I have not had time to find the exact targets to find out where the real break is. I'm guessing the -5 should have been -3. And 50 to 70 = 411 Hz overlaps with 70 to 95 = 900 Hz. So is 70 441 Hz or 900 Hz? Minor niggle but it reflects a rush to print.

Here is my interpretation of the audio scale (with guessed corrections):

-95 = 57 Hz (Very Low) Hot Rock
-94 to -4 = 128 Hz (Low) Iron Junk
-3 to 7 = 145 Hz (Med Low) Gold Earrings, Chains - Foil
8 to 26 = 182 Hz (Medium) Womens Gold Rings/Nickel - Small Pull Tabs
27 to 49 = 259 Hz (Med Hi) Mens Gold Rings - Large Pull Tabs
50 to 69 = 411 Hz (High) Zinc Penny/Indian Head Penny - Screw Caps
70 to 95 = 900 Hz (Very High) Copper Penny/Dime/Quarter/Dollar

You average coin hunter will be listening for the 900 Hz Very High tone and possibly 182 Hz Medium for nickels or deeper 411 Hz High for Indian Heads. Or just crank that DISC control all the way up and hear 900 Hz High only!

Frankly, this is all very well, but I have to say that I am disappointed White's did not give us independent notching capability on the M6. The machine was obviously influenced by the "listen to everything" crowd. I have no problem with having a notch system and being able to leave it all set to accept if I want to listen to everything. But I do not like having to listen to everything if I do not want to, and some ability to notch out targets would be welcome on the M6. Even the preset tabs notch on the MXT is lacking. A "Coins Only" preset notch would have been nice in lieu of an independent notch system. But as a jewelry hunter I want notching for the opposite reason. I'd like to set about VDI 60 on up to not beep. I'm only interested in low VDI numbers. So the lack of an independent notch system is my number one and possibly only complaint about the M6.

Get over it, Steve, and just learn that audio! This is at least a step up from the MXT and the constant need to refer to the VDI readout. With practice one should be able to hunt totally by ear with the M6. I will be listening for Med Low, Medium, and Med Hi tones. The sweet spot for me, not to be ignored, will be the 8 to 26 = 182 Hz (Medium) Womens Gold Rings/Nickel - Small Pull Tabs range. This is the hot rings range. I may dig this range exclusively in many parks. For sports fields I would also pay attention to the 27 to 49 = 259 Hz (Med Hi) Mens Gold Rings - Large Pull Tabs for larger mens rings. And for any easy digging areas like beaches or sand lots I'd add in -3 to 7 = 145 Hz (Med Low) Gold Earrings, Chains - Foil.

So to sum up, low tones for iron, medium tones for gold/nickels and high tones for coins. And if you'll note, that is pretty much what that IRON/GOLD/SILVER decal is trying to tell you.

The 950 coil has been redesigned and the M6 sports the new version. I was told the old version was impossible to service but the new version can be repaired if problems develop. I'm sure it is a nice coil but for my first real hunt in Hawaii with this machine I am using the 10" DD elliptical and 6" DD elliptical coils. I figure they will handle the salt and mineralized soils of Hawaii better. And I have to say I think the elliptical coils look sportier! My main goal will be to hunt micro jewelry like chains and earrings in the drier sand with the Shooter coil. I'll be using my Surf PI Pro in the wet sand and in the water. I'll try the M6 on the wet sand for fun and putting the M6 up against a PI unit is kind of unfair - but I'll do it anyway!

So what about all the stuff I've seen on other posts about M6 silver capability and other supposed new performance features? Well, I'll let others duke it out. I can't swear to have done extensive testing but this baby just seems to be a silent search MXT. The ground tracking is supposedly improved. Yeah, whatever. I normally run in fixed anyway. I do not expect any real discernible performance differences between the M6 and MXT beyond the obvious fact that the M6 lacks the alternative modes available in the MXT. I think that for those wanting versatility the MXT is worth the extra $100 bucks. In Alaska I do not expect the M6 to make a very big dent in MXT sales. But for those who want something more focused on coins and jewelry than the MXT and also want to save a few bucks the Matrix M6 will be just the ticket.

What about the competition? I have a Minelab X-Terra 50 and have made a few posts about in on the X-Terra Forum. And I have a Fisher ID Edge on the way. One of the advantages of being a multi-line dealer is I get to play with them all - lucky me! All three of these units have a street price of about $600 plus or minus, and so they are obviously going head-to-head in the marketplace. So comparisons will be drawn and some of it gets pretty silly, in my opinion.

Some may question me being a dealer. Well, all I can say is I am a detectorist first and a dealer second. I got into selling detectors because I love detecting, not vice-versa. I own and have owned all the particular brands, and so have no brand loyalty. I use what I like and what works for me, regardless of brand. As a multiline dealer I really do not care what brand a person buys. In some ways a business can be the ultimate form of democracy. People vote with their wallets, and my only goal is to stock what they want, not sell people what I want. And frankly, in my opinion my ability to use any machine I want for free removes a certain bias that I see from those who must buy their machines and therefore prove they made a smart investment. But if you think being a dealer makes me biased please stop reading right now!

On the other hand, I believe in being polite. I will not talk down a White's machine compared to a Minelab on a White's Forum or vice versa. I believe in trying to keep my comments focused on a machine in question as filtered through my own views on detecting. I like to try and use machines to their best capabilities, and so I am always looking for what is best in a detector. "How do I make this unit work for me" is how I tend to go about it. I proceed from the basic concept that they all work, and so I know for a fact that I can go out and find great finds with a White's M6, or Fisher ID Edge, or Minelab X-Terra 50.

The reason I use all of them is to see what it is I personally like about them, and I am willing to share my thoughts on the internet. But I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, and the fact is things I like matter not a whit to some people. Things that bug me about a unit may not matter at all to others. It is 90% operator, 10% machine, folks!! So lets avoid detector wars, please.

Just so you know where I am coming from.

Again, my focus is jewelry, not deep coins. So my way of looking at these units is filtered through that basic goal. I like the fact that the X-Terra 50 has independent notching. I personally feel that if Garrett can do it for $250 on the Ace 250 then any machine over $300 should offer me independent notching of targets. If you do not want to notch, fine! Just leave it off. But I expect it on all my machines from now on. A single turn knob is so 20th century! And I really, really like the X-Terra putting the whole detector in the pod. Talk about light and compact.

What I like about the M6 is the optional automatic ground balancing. I'd prefer notching of targets but I can live with learning to listen just for medium tones. The coil selection blows away the X-Terra and ID Edge; absolutely no contest there. I'm hoping the M6 will be more stable on salt sand then the X-Terra but do not know about that yet. In theory the M6 at 14 kHz should be the hottest of the three on gold, but these new high gain detectors are blurring the normal frequency differences. The X-Terra is surprisingly hot for a 7.5 kHz unit. So jury is out there. I also like the M6 ability to drop into a single tone mode which most closely mimics a true all-metal mode than the 4 tone "all-metal" on the X-Terra 50.

The ID Edge I want to try as it has a dedicated Jewelry notch which may work ok for me. It cannot be adjusted but they took a good stab at presetting it where I'd like and so it does have the abilty to hunt jewelry and not beep on zinc coins on up. Yes, I know that is crazy to many of you, but it is what some of us want. Coins are trash targets in my neck of the woods. And the unit may have some great iron/dense trash capability. But little to say about it yet as mine is still on the way.

And that is where I will be really concentrating on comparing all three units this summer. How do they separate dense trash? The M6 has the huge advantage of the small coils and so unless the other guys come out with small coils it will be nearly impossible for the X-Terra 50 or ID Edge to beat the M6 in trashy areas. Yeah, I know comparing small coils to large is not fair. I'm not trying to be artificially fair, I'm interested in which unit will work better in trash, and coils are part of that equation. Not my fault if Fisher or Minelab do not come out with small coils.

Well, that is about it for now. I'll have my laptop along and so you can expect some more posts by this weekend from Hawaii about the M6.

I want to close with a final note for White's just in case they read this. You guys discontinued the Surfmaster II, a great little underwater VLF unit and a real bargain at that. You replaced it with the Beachhunter ID, which is a somewhat lackluster machine. It needs some extra horsepower!

But better yet put the M6 in an underwater housing. This machine would be a perfect freshwater detector and ok for saltwater. I am a big believer in the Surf PI for saltwater so you got me covered there anyway. What I need is a good VLF unit for freshwater. The M6 tone system is ideal for underwater where you get no meters. But if you do put the M6 in an underwater housing, make sure you have an underwater coil connector like the Tesoro units so we can swap coils! You build me an M6 in a good waterproof housing (detachable to hip/chestmount because no pod) and they might sell better than the M6 itself. Take the LCD display away and the reliance strictly on tones makes huge sense and gives some of us that convertible box we crave. It has to be compact enough for both above water and underwater use. A true, multipurpose beach and land machine.

You listening, White's?

Steve Herschbach
Steve's Mining Journal


P.S. the edits are mostly for spelling errors.
 
use any of the DD coils yet but talking to one dealer who has, says that it works better than the stock coil with the M6. I was in a meeting and didn't get to talk to him but... let us know... I am going to try the little DD on an extremely trashy site here if it will quit raining...
Have fun on the big Island, RichardnTn
 
Hi Ralph,

That was the original plan, and may still do it. But since the M6 showed up it bumped the GB2 mostly out of a desire to try the new unit. I'll see how the packing goes I guess.

Steve Herschbach
 
Keep us in the loop (no pun intended) as to your finds in Hawaii and your continued impressions of the new models. HH Randy
 
You praise the XTerras notch system like it was just invented by Minelab but Garrett detectors had that over 10 years ago.

Notch system don't just have advantages. If you notch out targets somewhere in the disc range you loose a lot of depth. Targets close to that notched out number are weaker too. Depending on ground conditions the reading of a target can be different and the programed notches are worthless.

How come all the Tesoro users with the old disc control did not give their detectors away after a detector with notch was available ?

It is because "thumbing" the disc control of a tesoro can give you more information than some notch detectors.

I use the Garrett Ace 250 too and it is inches deeper if you just use the first one or two notches on the lower end of the disc scale instead using the coin mode.

Have fun on your Hawaii vacation and i hope one of the detectors will find you a ring that pays for the trip.

HH,
Andy
 
Hi Andy,

Actually I think White's had the first real digital notch system on the Eagle back in 1980. I never so much as hinted that Minelab invented it. Others had it in a more limited form even earlier via "notch windowing".

I've made it hugely clear that I think a notch system is great in that you can not use it if you choose. And clearly, you are the kind of person who would prefer not to use it. I, on the other hand, like a notch system. But if it is not offered on a machine then the manufacturer is making the choice for me and telling me I can't use notching. If you think notching is useless I'm not out to convince you otherwise. But it works for me.

You are right that curent notch systems can cost you depth. So I'll add that to my list. I want improved notch systems that do not sacrifice depth. Lots of room for improvement there.

But I am not having problems finding targets due to lack of depth, so sorry if I do not ride that horse. Well, that is not entirely true, but I use PI units for depth, not VLF units, which can't compare. But depth is not the whole ballgame in detecting, and most units have sufficient depth for my needs in parks and schoolyards. I use notching effectively as I see fit to find the things I like to look for while not wasting precious time digging too much junk. I dig enough as it is. But it is all about increasing my odds. I just took several ounces of gold rings and 1.5 ounces of platinum rings in for cash today so I'll just keep using the methods that work for me if you do not mind. My preferred methods includes selective notching at times, and sometimes I dig it all. Remember, my machine of choice for Hawaii is the White's Surf PI, not the M6. The M6 is for fun. The Surf is for making the serious finds and it is a dig it all unit. Truth is I want a PI unit with notch discrimination!

The key, Andy, is that I want the choice of using notching or not on my detectors. I make it very clear that my posts are based on what I like. If you do not like what I like that is perfectly ok with me. I say I like notching and prefer that it was available on the M6. If you do not feel that way then just ignore that clearly stated preference on my part. You need not hold it against the M6 for your own purposes. But by not offering it White's has made the choice to offer you what you want, and not offering me what I want. With optional notching we both could have had what we wanted.

Optional selective notching is about having a choice.

The fact is that my current favorite unit for jewelry hunting is not the X-Terra 50 or any of these newer units, but is instead the White's DFX. I can selectively notch to my hearts content. Or I can run no notches at all and use tone id. Or just single tone "beep-dig" as Monte would put it. But I would like trying new detectors hence my interest in these mid-range units. I'd like an alternative to my DFX. I would like something in the way of tones more than two but less than the hundred plus that the DFX offers for tone id. The M6 does tones more the way I like, especially the fact that I can shut them off if I want. Again, my choice! But what I really want is programmable tones on my DFX.

If you want to learn more about notching and how it can be used effectively I suggest you get Clive Clynicks great new book, "DFX Gold Methods". Really great book with some notching tips I've seen nowhere else.

Good luck with your own M6. I'm sure you will like it very much. Much more than you liked the X-Terra 50!

Steve Herschbach
 
You praise the XTerras notch system like it was just invented by Minelab but Garrett detectors had that over 10 years ago.

<b>I think maybe you're confusing notching with "performance".</b>

Notch system don't just have advantages. If you notch out targets somewhere in the disc range you loose a lot of depth. Targets close to that notched out number are weaker too. Depending on ground conditions the reading of a target can be different and the programed notches are worthless.

<b>I thought notching out targets somewhere in the disc range was to ELIMINATE those targets. Depending on the ground conditions, you just gave a good arguement AGAINST the wider notching resolution you've been praising in other machines during your sales pitch. But I'm sure whatever your arguement is here, it must apply to your Garrett too ?</b>

How come all the Tesoro users with the old disc control did not give their detectors away after a detector with notch was available ?

<b>How come the Tesoro users continued to get better performance than most after a detector with notch was first available ?</b>

It is because "thumbing" the disc control of a tesoro can give you more information than some notch detectors.

<b>I think you are still confused about the use of "NOTCHING" vs. target identification. Maybe that's why you didn't like a machine with that capability ?</b>

I use the Garrett Ace 250 too and it is inches deeper if you just use the first one or two notches on the lower end of the disc scale instead using the coin mode.

<b>"DEEPER" than what ? In what ground conditions ? On what targets ? At what sensitivity level before and after the comparison ? How exactly did you determine that it was "inches deeper" ? In-ground test comparisons, or air-testing ?

There are different types of notching circuits, not all of which affect other discrimination points within the conductivity range. One good example is the Fisher CZ line, in which the audio of a certain notch range is eliminated, but not the target I.D. or detector reaction to that particular range. Not all notching detectors necessarily "lose depth" as a result of using the notching feature.</b>

Have fun on your Hawaii vacation and i hope one of the detectors will find you a ring that pays for the trip.

<b>I'm sure the trip was paid for ahead of time.... :) </b>

Just my opinion......

Ralph
 
Hi,

Here is my Matrix M6 Tone Chart:

<img src="http://www.recminer.com/images/m6tones.jpg">

Here is my interpretation of the audio scale (with guessed corrections):

-95 = 57 Hz (Very Low) Hot Rock
-94 to -4 = 128 Hz (Low) Iron Junk
-3 to 7 = 145 Hz (Med Low) Gold Earrings, Chains - Foil
8 to 26 = 182 Hz (Medium) Womens Gold Rings/Nickel - Small Pull Tabs
27 to 49 = 259 Hz (Med Hi) Mens Gold Rings - Large Pull Tabs
50 to 69 = 411 Hz (High) Zinc Penny/Indian Head Penny - Screw Caps
70 to 95 = 900 Hz (Very High) Copper Penny/Dime/Quarter/Dollar

Steve Herschbach
Steve's Mining Journal
 
while using the notch on my XTerra. All modes on mine hit the same 6" buried dime whether in all metal or pattern 2, and that's allowing an inch for the coil been over the ground, 7" total. So far, I really like this little machine. The 6" dime I have buried is around some rusted iron nails that have been in the ground for many years from roofing my house. My CZ6a with the 8" coil will detect this dime as "iron" while the XTerra will ID it at a 33, can't complain about that. I guess the rusted nails are masking the dime on my CZ. HH John
 
if you want to find the small gold, you will still have to dig the foil, atleast, I do. Maybe I need to look at a DFX, sounds like a good machine. HH John
 
I personally like the feel of the Classic rod/housing/trigger pod design and I am glad they used it on the Matrix M6.

I have no real problems with the MXT style display, and the "gold range" isn't really that far off from what White's has used through the years. The 5900/6000/XL Pro models have a display showing the 'Gold' range from about VDI 20 thru VDI 80. If anything that range could have been scooted down to the 10-70 span. I, for one, would have preferred that they just forget about labeling any range other than perhaps Iron. Just use the VDI numbers on the decal and it would be a lot cleaner.

As for the Tone ID breakdown, I note the overlapping of the posted VDI ranges in a couple of E-mails I did. I would like to have seen just a very basic reference decal with only VDI numbers and "zone lines" similar to what you showed below. To me, that would add to the functionality of the Matrix M6. Since it is only a simple decal it would be very, very simple to make a revision in the Matrix M6 and supply tone-segmented decals. Perhaps even someone will do that as an aftermarket thought?

I like to have a manual, discriminate control so that I can fine-tune the level of rejection ...... USUALLY. But I also appreciate the idea behind having a broader band of notch segments like the X-Terra 50. I was really hoping to see something along those lines from White's to be competitive in the middle-to-upper-end models.

I plan to compare the M6 w/950 coil to the X-Terra with both the 9" concnetric and 9" widescan (DD) coils in the next week or so. I will be interested in hearing you report back on how the M6 handles various ground conditions and its performance on various pieces of gold jewelry. Both accessory coils and the stock coil.

Enjoy your vacation and good luck!

Monte
 
Hi John,

You know, it just all depends on time. There are places near my house where I am simply going to dig up all the aluminum. Every last piece. Because any single notch that eliminates a piece of trash might eliminate a piece of gold. Plain and simple.

But if I am at a park in a town I might never visit again, and have two hours, I am going to set my DFX up to accept from about VDI 8-30 and reject everything else. That is where my experience, tersting, and reading of others results tells me the most valuable rings are going to beep on average, with the lesser amount of junk.

It just all comes down to how much time you have and how to increase your odds in that time. Nobody has all the answers on that, just differing strategies that may or may not pay off. A little luck really helps!

Steve Herschbach
 
I agree, Steve. Selective discrimination is something I've decided would help with my style of hunting. I tend to focus on certain types of targets and then return another day with another goal in mind.

I became a jewelry-only hunter for a few weeks while racing our Alaska weather and was rather successful with my limited knowledge. One frosty day in October (having just figured out the small gold VDI range) I got a little cocky and told my wife I was going out to find another ring. I came back with two gold rings in under 2 hours. I guess I found what you missed. :)

My MXT obviously doesn't let me select an "accept range" and I'm doing okay with the audio distractions. What does bother me is having to look at the display to decide what to dig. You can't just accept those 8-30 VDIs and reject all others. The M6 tones would help, but for me that's just a bandaid for what I really want.

Todd
 
Hi Todd,

That is where the DFX really shines. Just select the range you want, and everything else stays quiet. Keeps me from going after pennies, which I have a hard time ignoring when the beep. I will usually notch in quarters, however, to pay for the batteries.

I'm going to get a Bigfoot coil for covering large areas like the Park Strip for next summer. I figure it plus the right selection of VDI numbers will up my odds for the gold. I took several ounces of gold rings and chains I found plus 1.5 oz of platinum rings into Oxford Monday. That has ruined me forever on coin detecting, unless I am someplace really old. The odds of finding a gold ring, slim as they are, are better than the odds of finding a rare key date coin of similar value.

The new book, DFX Gold Methods, by Clive Clynick, is great on using the DFX for jewelry. I have it in stock. check it out next time you stop by. It is an eye-opener.

Merry Christmas, and good on you for finding those rings!

Steve Herschbach
 
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