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Low powered and high priced detectors

Kevin: Some reason's why the detector you want have not been built, or are not availiable to the public- Detectors operate by sending radio wave type of signals into the ground which react with metals and return a signal which can be detected with the coil,because these signals fall into the radio wave catagory the FCC restricts the amount of power a Detector may transmit. The companies that make the detectors have to follow these rules on power output. Also the ground its self acts as an insulator, espically highly mineralized ground, the deeper the detector tries to go, the greater the insulation, a case of diminishing returns, with the knowledge we have about detectors today. Do Caches exist, of course they do, there are thousands of them, most are small, a few are large, some have been found, some are found every year. Every war fought in this nation has created some Caches, from the French and Indian wars clear up to the early ninteen hundreds when Teddy Rosevelt ran Pancho Via back to Mexico. The Civil war left a very large amt. of Caches, many have not been recovered, also true of the Revolutionary War. A large amount of small caches of Gold coins went under ground in 1932, when President Franklin Rosevelt, passed a law making it illegal for American citizens to own Gold coins, and required that they turn the coins in for printed paper money. This law was repealed in 1974, 42 years later, many of these remain where they were buried, many thousands of small Caches, were also put away by farmers and their wifes, these were rainy day caches, for hard times, many of these remain unfound. This is not to mention the caches from roberies,etc., some of which have been found. Pirate treasures do exist in this country, however most are buried on Islands out in the oceans. There are also many tales of treasure that are written about in books and Magazines that do not exist or have been found, people who find them are usually unlikely to tell anyone about them. The average decetorist like you would love to find one, most do not, or possibly may find one or two small ones, over a period of 35-40 years that he or she detects. Most Authors would have you believe that Caches are easy to find, they are not, if they were the Authors would not be writing and selling books for income, they would go get the treasures, instead of writing about them. The Hobby detectorist over a lifetime of hunting will find enough coins, and Jewelry, in most cases to fill one or two Pirate Chests full, one or two coins at a time, with luck and good research, many of them might be silver, some could be gold, possibly a small cache might might be found, Silver or Gold bars are very unlikely to be found, except by a very few hunters, who work hard at it and are very Luckey. I have tried to present you with a realistic picture of treasure hunting, I wish you the best of luck, and hope you are one who is succesful HH Steve.
 
Hi Marc: Nice to hear from you. Sounds like you are a cache hunter too? I would prefer to leave those cans full of loot for the poor guy or gal who has already dug up tons of empty cans. Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Dan: How's your hunting going? We sure have the weather for it now up here! Yes, I know at least Garrett has a "hookup" for deep searching. But I think this is for searching in the All Metal Mode.
Which brings us to your next sentence: I'm not interested in digging two feet (or more!) for paintcans and horseshoes, either, although I might take the '57 Chevy if its still in nice shape.
An overload signal? I guess that's for real big (iron) objects, huh?
You are right about the various jars or cans of (mostly silver) coins being too difficult to find unless you have inside information. I'm not looking for these small frys, though. I want to hunt big game. Like lost treasure and chests. I do a lot of research. I think if you hope to find a real nice big cache, you have to do a lot of research, although occasionally a lucky duck just happens to stumble upon one. Usually these lucky people weren't even looking for treasure. They were doing construction work, etc. No, it isn't easy finding the big, or even the medium size caches. But then again, it's not easy finding a diamond ring, either. Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich
 
Hi Ritchie: Thank you for your explanation. Yes, you are right. Radio signals, even those generated by AA batteries, will go a long way. If you don't mind hunting in the All Metal Mode, you don't have a problem. However, if you want notching, AGB, rejection, discrimination and target identification at 3 to 4 feet, you are going to need a much larger power source. I'm not an engineer, but this is what I gather. I'm trying to avoid hunting in the All Metal Mode. I will be going to sites where there have been a lot of ship wrecks. These sites tend to have lots of iron and trash.
I would rather spend more than say, $500, if I could avoid digging up all that junk.
I think that trying to find a machine that will mask or reject iron at 3 to 4 feet, and identify AU/silver is a tough assignment. Thank God for guys like you who help. (Also, maybe someone in the detector industry might like to try building some machines that could do this.)
Happy hunting, now is the best time weather wise, before it gets too hot. Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Tom: That is a real nice looking seated liberty you've got there. I never found any coin like that! Congratulations! I didn't know that I could get some used ML's much cheaper. Thank you very much. I don't know how deep I could get with one of those, but I think that ML is thinking in the right direction with thier iron masking technology. Happy hunting, I hope you can take advantage of this great weather! Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Mr. Bill: Yes, those are the only machines that I have found so far that could meet my needs. Well, except for Treasure Locators-I haven't had the chance to check out thier offerings yet, but they do look pricey! BTW, if anyone is interested in having a cache finder like this, Mr. Bill can modify the EF's to your liking.
I don't any more about it that this. You will have to contact Mr. Bill for more details. I hope you all can take advantage of this fab weather, and Happy hunting. Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Brian: Just wondering, how many iron boxes/cans did you dig up before you found your caches? Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Clondike clad: Yes, and I bet by the time you get to China you will be the proud new owner of an old rusty wheelbarrow! :) Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Steve: I really enjoyed your post. Thank you for your well wishes. (I will need it, right? :) Many detectorist feel that caches are very rare (and not worth the bother). You have correctly shown that there are a lot of caches to be found out there. Yes, they are very hard to find. I feel that one of the big reasons why they are so hard to find is that they are buried quite deep, deeper than the majority of metal detectors go. If you were burying a treasure chest, you would probably bury it deeper than a foot down, right? I suspect that as metal detector technology gets better, we will be finding more of these caches in the future. (Don't hold your breath, though. Metal detector technology develops about as fast as automobile energy technology!) Wonder why!
I know that caches are harder to find than individual items. I think the successful cache hunter has to do a lot more research than your casual hobbyist. For one thing, you are right again. Many people, for God knows what reason, enjoy making up stories about purported caches.
I would say that for every piece of junk the casual hobbyist finds in the ground, the researcher finds a similar piece of junk in the lore and legends. Detectorists who search for caches had better be prepared to learn an aweful lot about history. Thank you again for your great post. Sure, caches are a lot harder to find. But the reward could be worth it! Happy hunting, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Just wondering how it would do on the beaches there for depth and ferrous non-ferrous ID on deep iron. Of course for what Kevin wants you would have to dig the deep iron.

Kevin: My understanding is that most small caches or hoardes are not buried deep. If a person is burying money because they do not trust the banks they still need fairly easy access. I read somewhere that most small caches would be found no more than elbow deep. Buried treasure is another story. If it actually exists at all (if the legends are true) then you need to get into the higher priced geophysical equipment to have a chance and even then the time and money invloved would more than likely not be worth it. Many people have wasted the better part of their lives chasing that type of "fools gold" with no results.

Tom
 
To answer the coil question, yes. Perhaps I should say I did untill just recently.

There would be no problem using a larger coil on the beach, that is as far as it operating well. It's not something you would enjoy doing though.

The problem I can see is you would not be able to dig that deep. With the 11" mono coil on the beach, the unit can exceed your ability to recover targets at such depths.

Salt beach's present no problems for the GS5. You can run it in the standard mode without ground cancelling very easy.

The GS5 will ID properly to the maximum range of detection. If it can make a sound, you will be able to tell if it's iron or not. It's not like a VLF unit.
 
I did find one 2 years ago.Dug 22-1952 Jamaican coins along with a fistful of WW2 naval buttons all from one hole!It was exhilarating to say the least!:canadaflag::minelab:
 
Hi Jeff and friends: Regarding the Accurate Locators, I don't see any forums or users comments about thier machines. Is this because they are not typical hobby detectors? Anyone? Jeff, have you dealt with this company before? Thank you, Kevin in Ipswich, Mass.
 
Hi Kevin

Now up to 12 hoards and three cache's.
As the caches were all buried within the last hundred years and the approximate area was known all metal had to be dug. In one case this meant digging lots (12+) paint tins from great depths. I had also checked in the water tanks, drains etc.

Land hoards in Europe are normally in clay pots or have been in bags that have rotted. In either case you would not normally dig the signal as they are so large you would think its deep rubbish. The reason you find them is because ploughing has clipped the top and created a scatter of coins thats spread beyond the large signal of the main body of the hoard which you have been avoiding as rubbish. Directly a number of coins in the same general area have been found its switch to your deepest machine and dig everything. If you saw a hub cap at the bottom of a hole you would remove it to find out what its masking both alongside and below.

No detectors, including the Minelabs can identify whats in a metal container. The signal flows round a metal box containing gold or silver and indicates you have found a ferrous object.
No doubt people are detecting over and locating hoards/weapons/armour every day but ignore the signal as in 999 out of a 1000 cases it just will be a lump of scrap. Most 'normal' VLF or motion if used in discrimination will drop the audio tone or meter I.D. into the ferrous range if the target is very deep, especially if there's high ground minerals.
 
There's losts of metal detectors that locate larger items to 20 feet or more its just that the market for them is in Europe not the U.S.
A deep hunting discriminating P.I. can be bought for around $1200 (by deep hunting I mean several times the depth of the Minelab GP's/GPX4000 etc).

Brian
 
I won,t mention any company but Yes A lot of Hype about their DO EVERYTHING,Made in China,ROK,ETC.
But if You find a machine you'd like to own google to ensure that the seller is Not the Only link.
But it goes without saying Buy a reputable brand,And if You want to dig treasure You will dig Trash.
I went thru the same consternation My first 10 years,BFO,BFO/IB,VLF/TR,PI,Etc.
I May be jaded but I,m still not convinced By broad band technology.
If it works so well why Don,t all the Minelabs use it?And what is Vflex?HH,Mont
 
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