Looking for air testing results

[WV62]

I was hoping that I could get a couple of you folks out there to air test a Lobo and a Cortes on a US clad quarter. Looking for max dig-able depth signal.

Thanks

Ron in WV

 

[wheatymike]

I will air test my Deleon if you like. It should be the same as the Cortes.

 

[dan b]

I have a Deleon air test on YouTube. Search for Deleon air test part 1.

 

[WV62]

I have a Deleon air test on YouTube. Search for Deleon air test part 1.

dan b,
Very nice video but I failed put in my request I would like the test to be done in disc mode, I hardly ever run all metal.

Thanks a lot,

Ron in WV

 

[thump7]

I have a Deleon air test on YouTube. Search for Deleon air test part 1.

dan b,
Very nice video but I failed put in my request I would like the test to be done in disc mode, I hardly ever run all metal.

Thanks a lot,

Ron in WV

Sounds like you would like the lobo. Don't own one, but I did have the opportunity to test out my brothers machine. The lobo has the unique ability to give a faint "tic tic" audible, breaking the barriers so to speak, type of signal. It totally blew the pants off my vaquero( vaq was in max depth all-metal) while the lobo was in disc mode. I was ashamed at the time, but had no choice but to admit that the lobo had an easy 2" over my faithful vaquero.



Now, I also had complete confidence that the tejon had nothing over my vaquero, based on multiple past experiences. So when the lobo much more than equalled it , It put me in my place.
I was getting 14" on a quarter with the vaquero. Simple air test of course. ( the 14" (all-metal mode) is fact, not exaggeration, however, I do not own it anymore....)

 

[dan b]

Once the weather cooperates I will work on part 2.

 

[WV62]

I have a Deleon air test on YouTube. Search for Deleon air test part 1.

dan b,
Very nice video but I failed put in my request I would like the test to be done in disc mode, I hardly ever run all metal.

Thanks a lot,

Ron in WV

Sounds like you would like the lobo. Don't own one, but I did have the opportunity to test out my brothers machine. The lobo has the unique ability to give a faint "tic tic" audible, breaking the barriers so to speak, type of signal. It totally blew the pants off my vaquero( vaq was in max depth all-metal) while the lobo was in disc mode. I was ashamed at the time, but had no choice but to admit that the lobo had an easy 2" over my faithful vaquero.



Now, I also had complete confidence that the tejon had nothing over my vaquero, based on multiple past experiences. So when the lobo much more than equalled it , It put me in my place.
I was getting 14" on a quarter with the vaquero. Simple air test of course. ( the 14" (all-metal mode) is fact, not exaggeration, however, I do not own it anymore....)

Yep you are right I have had my eye on the lobo for a long time, with having so many other machines I hate to just buy one. Now that I am down from 5 machines to 3 I would like to get down to 2 or even one. The lobo sounds like a dream machine to me, that is why I was hoping somebody out there had one and could put in disc mode and do a quick air test.

Ron in WV

 

[MarkCZ]

I was hoping that I could get a couple of you folks out there to air test a Lobo and a Cortes on a US clad quarter. Looking for max dig-able depth signal.

Thanks

Ron in WV

Well, I guess I'm out of the loop of information on the interest you have on these two machines.
You do know that the "Cortes" is an ID metered machine and the "Lobo" is a beep & dig Prospecting (Gold) version of the Tejon right?
The Tejon and the Lobo ST uses the same coils or to say they both are part of the "Delta Series"
I am also pretty sure that both the Tejon and the Lobo have the same Higher one million times gain.

Mark

 

[BarberBill]

Here are the resutls on my DeLeon and My Cortes - don't have a Lobo to compare to

DeLeon - 8x9 coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 9 to 10 inches All Metal 10 - 11inches Clad Quarter 8 inches clad dime - loses an inch or so using the 7" concentric - Br donut pretty equao to 9X8

Cortes - 8X9 Coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 8.5 to 9.5 inches All metal 10 - 11 inches Clad Quarter

My particular Cortes and coil fall a little short of my Deleon in disc mode. May be a slight mismatch in the coil or?
Hope this is helpful,
BB

 

[BarberBill]

Here are the resutls on my DeLeon and My Cortes - don't have a Lobo to compare to

DeLeon - 8x9 coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 9 to 10 inches 8 inches clad dime - All Metal 10 - 11inches Clad Quarter -- loses an inch or so using the 7" concentric - Br donut pretty equal to 9X8

Cortes - 8X9 Coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 8.5 to 9.5 inches All metal 10 - 11 inches Clad Quarter

My particular Cortes and coil fall a little short of my Deleon in disc mode. May be a slight mismatch in the coil or?
Hope this is helpful,
BB

 

[BarberBill]

Not sure how I got the above post, posted twice. Any way, after reading it again the statement "8 inches clad dime" is in addition to the other figures which were a clad quarter. All other figures are for a clad quarter.
BB

 

[WV62]

Here are the resutls on my DeLeon and My Cortes - don't have a Lobo to compare to

DeLeon - 8x9 coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 9 to 10 inches 8 inches clad dime - All Metal 10 - 11inches Clad Quarter -- loses an inch or so using the 7" concentric - Br donut pretty equal to 9X8

Cortes - 8X9 Coil Disc mode, Sens at 10, 8.5 to 9.5 inches All metal 10 - 11 inches Clad Quarter

My particular Cortes and coil fall a little short of my Deleon in disc mode. May be a slight mismatch in the coil or?
Hope this is helpful,
BB

That's pretty good I would say I tested my Tejon and about all I could out of it was 9" on the clad quarter. I would guess if you put mans gold ring in front of either of those machines you would get a couple more inches.

Thanks for your time and information,

Ron in WV

 

[BarberBill]

In ground results should favor the machines with adjustable ground balance, especially if mineralized. When I bought my D from Richad on the forum, his opinion was this particular DeLeon was a "hot" one. I know I've been happy with what it does in my soils.
BB

 

[Sven]

Trouble with air testing its not indicative to what a detector can do in actual hunting conditions.
The detector that doesn't air test as good as the other may actually do better in the ground with the same coil or different coil combo.

 

[BarberBill]

Trouble with air testing its not indicative to what a detector can do in actual hunting conditions.
The detector that doesn't air test as good as the other may actually do better in the ground with the same coil or different coil combo.

I have no argument with the first part of this statement, but I've heard and seen the second part of the statement for years. Doesn't make any sense at all to me that a detector would do better in the ground than in the air where there's no mineralization or other factors to affect the test. That said, I've read where it IS TRUE with PI machines, but don't have a clue as to the validity of that and would like to hear from those that have PI machines to clarify the question.
HH
BB

 

[MarkCZ]

I have no argument with the first part of this statement, but I've heard and seen the second part of the statement for years. Doesn't make any sense at all to me that a detector would do better in the ground than in the air where there's no mineralization or other factors to affect the test. That said, I've read where it IS TRUE with PI machines, but don't have a clue as to the validity of that and would like to hear from those that have PI machines to clarify the question.
HH
BB

I never seen a circumstance where dirt increased the depth performance of a detector! Never!!

Mark

 

[Sven]

May not have explained it correctly as to only confuse. What made sense in my mind, I couldn't put into words correctly, they call it a communication issue....
There are some VLF machines, that do not air test well but do better in ground hunting. Minelab Musketeer to name one.
They need some kind of matrix to use when air testing as with a PI's. Sometimes just a simple 2" thick piece of fiberboard, MDF, etc will do the trick.
I will refrain from adding any info in the future if it doesn't pertain to Tesoros directly. I have too used too many different machines over the 40's years that
things about detectors blend together in my brain.....................

 

[WV62]

Trouble with air testing its not indicative to what a detector can do in actual hunting conditions.
The detector that doesn't air test as good as the other may actually do better in the ground with the same coil or different coil combo.

I have no argument with the first part of this statement, but I've heard and seen the second part of the statement for years. Doesn't make any sense at all to me that a detector would do better in the ground than in the air where there's no mineralization or other factors to affect the test. That said, I've read where it IS TRUE with PI machines, but don't have a clue as to the validity of that and would like to hear from those that have PI machines to clarify the question.
HH
BB

I must agree I have never seen a machine that does better in the ground than the air. For my ground testing I am losing about 1.5 to 2 inches from my air testing. I don't report that because everybody's dirt is different.

Ron in WV

 

[bigjon]

they say Minelab do better in the ground then the air i dont know if that true

 

[MarkCZ]

they say Minelab do better in the ground then the air i dont know if that true

Its Not!

Mark