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[TrpnBils]

Glad to see we're making headway here!

 

[TrpnBils]

Jeff I also wanted to suggest turning Fast OFF,perhaps it would help to differentiate between a false and a coin,as it should make the coin signal more robust. Man I love that word...ROBUST!!

Interesting - I hadn't considered this. When I'm not in heavy iron I normally have it off and have deep on. I do have to say I don't like the clipped tones of having Fast on, so this may be an option for me.

 

[sube]

IDX says But you can bet your bottom dollar I'll be looking at one or both closely and what they're doing and how tight of an area the coin cursor stays

Just remember on that cursor staying tight on the 12 line on a east west hit or others if you hit the iron that cursor well move . What you want to do once you locate that target is find center and stay on it ,look at the cursor on the bottom you well see the cursor peg in the right corner when on the iron 35.50 when on the coin it well move left 35.40 to 35.46 with the cursor bouncing up to the 34 to 31 line .

Sometimes you well get this with iron but it well consistently keep going to 35.50 most of the time not like when a coin is there practice .sube

 

[IDXMonster]

Sube-is it true then if the coin is the more dominant return then the lower cursor may move even higher up the screen within the 40-46 CO window?

 

[IDXMonster]

What question was is....how far have you seen the lower cursor move up the screen? Just to 31? Beyond that?

 

[TrpnBils]

What question was is....how far have you seen the lower cursor move up the screen? Just to 31? Beyond that?

If we're understanding this right and that's what he's saying, AND it's applicable in-ground as well as in his air tests then this seems like it could be a monster step forward in figuring this out.

Sube - I don't know if you're located in a thawed area of the country or not, but would you consider making some videos in the field of some of this stuff too on some actual honest-to-goodness buried targets instead of just indoors or staged targets? I'm curious to how well it translates to real conditions and to see what you're able to do with it in terms of your finds since you know it so well.

 

[IDXMonster]

MONSTER step indeed Jeff! Waiting with baited breath...

 

[sube]

Sube-is it true then if the coin is the more dominant return then the lower cursor may move even higher up the screen within the 40-46 CO window?

Place just a coin on the ground no other metal around sweep the target you get a good trace at 12.45 and perfect sound now look where the curser is in the bottom it's not in the corner my soil it well be 35.47 and does not move back and forth like a nail or other iron target it's locked in that spot .

If in ferrous coin combine there will be 2 cursers , Now in all modes that 32 line and down to 35 line will only produce a low tone okay . now going back to ferrous coin that bottom curser will not go pass the 32 line say 31 line I think it has to do with the fact that all targets from the 32 line down to the 35 line will go low disc or no disc .

Now the top curser can drop all the way to the 35 line in ferrous coin you can see this once in Jeff's video where there are 2 diamonds showing on the bottom which is saying it is iron a no dig in my book .I can only go by what my soil does can you have the bottom curser get above the 32 line don't know but in my soil I have not see it yet since I had the ctx .

Going back to Jeff's video watch that bottom curser it is moving back and forth and it pops up now and then never making it to the 32 line . Now when he go's to pinpoint look at the trace he's built all from the 34 line down to the 35 line no trace above this .

With a coin in iron there will be a trace left up to the 32 line and farther left away from the 35.50 area. This is a no audio hit.

Now all modes beside ferrous coin will have one or two cursers. But are not always throw en up on the 12 line like ferrous coin this curser has to decide where to go if it has iron and a high conductor I think it takes both targets and gives a average to them , This is iron and coin no audio or iron that is to close to a coin that it can't separate . Such as high trash where it will give the curser to all blocks you have open , even if the bad signal is stronger than the good signal will still go to the accepted blocks there by ignoring all rejected signals that are stronger than the accepted signals .WOW that was a mouth full.

Now in these 3 modes you can have the curser end up anywhere on the screen that you have open blocks 31.45 25.45 and so on .

As far as a video wanted to do but just didn't have time I have 3 inches of snow right now so it will be a while .

Now go to Jeff's video and watch that curser on the bottom and the trace it built you have to understand falsing well to advance in target trace .

Target trace is a visual audio it took time to learn to hunt by audio and what to dig and not dig same for target trace . sube

 

[TrpnBils]

Sube what do you have your iron bin set at? Mine is at 23 - would you recommend me changing it or is that sufficient? You've mentioned 32 a lot. Is that kind of the "magic number" in terms of whether it's likely to be iron falsing versus mixed targets? I'm wondering if jacking my iron bin up to 32 might be more useful in terms of hearing an audible difference too, or is that too close to the falsing range and it might give me more trouble?

Incidentally I ordered "A Practical Guide to finding GOld, Silver, and Coins with the CTX 3030" tonight. It looks like it might be beach-heavy but it does have a section in it about finding coins in heavy iron that I'm curious about. Kellyco has it on sale for $11 and change right now so it's worth a shot.

 

[sube]

I assume your talking about the fe line mine is set at 34 I have a video on this watch it . You will see where you will only get a low tone if the true #s of the coin are below your fe line .

If your set at 23 then a 24.45 will low tone on you and you won't dig it cause you didn't hear it .

Watch the video it's in hunting in trash page 7 I believe you will get more falsing at 34 than 23 but a false a hard false well show no matter where your fe line is set . sube

 

[TrpnBils]

I assume your talking about the fe line mine is set at 34 I have a video on this watch it . You will see where you will only get a low tone if the true #s of the coin are below your fe line .

If your set at 23 then a 24.45 will low tone on you and you won't dig it cause you didn't hear it .

Watch the video it's in hunting in trash page 7 I believe you will get more falsing at 34 than 23 but a false a hard false well show no matter where your fe line is set . sube

And something as high as 24.45 is common to see with mixed targets? I've watched so many of your videos I'm sure I've seen the one you're talking about but I don't remember. I'll have to go watch it again. If I'm understanding you right, a target coming in at 33.45 will give you a high tone still?

Edit: Yeah I have seen that video and it makes more sense to me now that you've explained that in this context, and I also saw how high of an FE number that was reading, so it's well over 24. I'll be trying this out next time I'm out. I'm impressed that you're able to get that kind of separation with the stock coil. I've been using my 6" coil, so it should only do better than the bigger one. I can't imagine what you guys with the 17" coil deal with. I haven't tried that one yet.

 

[sube]

If I'm understanding you right, a target coming in at 33.45 will give you a high tone still?

No regardless of where the fe line is set targets 32 to 35 will low tone even if your fe line is at 34 they still go low but all targets from 31 to 0 fe line will go high if your fe line is set at 32

Most targets with iron well be below the 23 line you have yours set at so all targets with 24 .45 to 31.45 well sound low to you . If you set your fe line to 32 these targets with iron will high tone if they are not mask to the point that you get no audio. sube

 

[TrpnBils]

Well that's certainly something to consider then. Interesting....

What are your thoughts on audio response? It sounds to me like you're using Long audio in those videos. I normally use smooth but have been using long when in high iron lately. I also talked to a guy today with a lot of experience on the 3030 that sticks with no discrimination even in high iron and uses Pitch Hold. I can't get my head around the idea of trying to use Pitch Hold in a situation like this (heck I don't even like using it in cleaner ground) but with all the iron falses I think it would be a nightmare.

 

[sube]

I use normal I'm use to it if I tried long it would not help because the targets are to close together . Pitch hold would be a nightmare as you said falses will come here to , it drove me crazy .

Now no disc might have some merit to it letting the machine recovery faster between targets but your still going to get that null on the center of the nail anyways and the little disc I use doesn't seem to effect it .

Going with deep on will slow the machine done more than fast and I can't tell the difference between the two. But it is using more filters so the machine takes more time from target to target .As for getting a better signal using deep on a coin maybe but that false will sound better at the same time . As far as the signal being clipped in fast I can't tell the difference between fast and deep . sube

 

[TrpnBils]

Hey Kevin - I found this other video that Sube made tonight that shows that iron blob pretty well in the corner and how it creeps out with mixed signals. The whole video discusses what we've been talking about, but the last half focuses specifically on that lower corner: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkSWa2FNQU4

 

[IDXMonster]

Just got home from after work class,I'll be looking at all this tomorrow...

 

[IDXMonster]

Very interesting to see and know what it COULD mean. If these tests were even 50% reliable in real life then it would be a hell of a tool! The question is...are they? Frozen here,won't test outside til spring probably.

 

[GKMan]

I always use Pitch Hold (have for years now) I guess I am just used to it. Without thinking about that setting being on I recreated some of Subes scenarios and I was successful. Honestly, I didn't even think about that difference while doing the testing.

 

[TrpnBils]

I feel like pitch hold could be really beneficial but I just can't get my brain to tolerate the constant changes. How in the world do you deal with it picking up and then changing the threshold pitch when it hits falses? Wouldn't that make every false signal sound like a target?