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Liberty seated dollars
- Thread starter EddieB
- Start date
Hey Guys, I like to thank each and everyone of you guys for your help and encouragement. OK HERE IS WHAT I LEARNED TODAY: First thing he noticed was that there was too much detail existing for the amount of depth loss in the wearing of the coin. I myself noticed the edge of the coin was rough and he did too. But the most convincing fact was with the magnet. He show me with a modern Silver Eagle 99.9% with a super magnet: on a smooth surface the magnet had drag with the Silver Eagle,(waving over the coin but not touching it, you could fell the drag and sometimes actually moving the coin a little without rubbing across it. My 1873 had OOO drag. That alone told him and he showed me that it had no silver in the coin. For any of you that never knew that, try it with a silver coin and a clad. The ring or the ping that silver makes was missing. That why I had to know. .....Again you guys have been great thank you all and HH.
EddieBee
EddieBee
IDXMonster
Well-known member
That doesn’t sound correct. YOUR coin,if either,should have had the drag. 99.9% silver,or even 90%,shouldn’t have had drag. Am I missing something here?? Also,if you’re a counterfeiter,why the added effort of the CC? This would have had to be VERY recently done,at least in the time frame of when the CC minted coins were known to be much higher in value.
The coin doesn’t look that out of whack to me,but I’m no expert in coin collecting. I am fairly good at common sense though,and this situation doesn’t make much.
Can someone enlighten Eddie and me as to how the hell you make 99.9% pure silver magnetic?
You are talking about a coin potentially worth 10,000+ dollars Eddie. Don’t base your judgement on one mans opinion.
The coin doesn’t look that out of whack to me,but I’m no expert in coin collecting. I am fairly good at common sense though,and this situation doesn’t make much.
Can someone enlighten Eddie and me as to how the hell you make 99.9% pure silver magnetic?
You are talking about a coin potentially worth 10,000+ dollars Eddie. Don’t base your judgement on one mans opinion.
MarkCZ
Well-known member
If its a counterfeit then its not really silver, or its only clad! if your certain its a fake then a TINY needle file and on the very edge of the coin
file a little slice into it deep enough to be beyond any plating, keep the metal, if the core metal is the same as the surface metal then have the coin's alloy
tested and the filings. Or, take the coin to another coin expert and DO NOT TELL them where you got the coin from!, if they persist then just tell them
its been in the family for sometime!
I wouldn't just toss it in a junk box without digging into it more myself.
No one is going to counterfeit to the point that its high grade silver to the core!
I mean people try to counterfeit the 43 steel penny, by copper plating it, or altering the date on a 1948 to appear like a 1943,
But these are scams that are easy to detect, I don't like how this is going so far with your coin!!
If it was mine I'd file the edge of it, and if it turns out to be the real deal at lest I'd know and I'd still have, and it would still be worth at lest 90% or more of its value!
Its your coin! I've seen countless Kennedy Half's with cut edges where people wanted to make sure that they were clad, but not knowing that they were silver clad!
Mark
file a little slice into it deep enough to be beyond any plating, keep the metal, if the core metal is the same as the surface metal then have the coin's alloy
tested and the filings. Or, take the coin to another coin expert and DO NOT TELL them where you got the coin from!, if they persist then just tell them
its been in the family for sometime!
I wouldn't just toss it in a junk box without digging into it more myself.
No one is going to counterfeit to the point that its high grade silver to the core!
I mean people try to counterfeit the 43 steel penny, by copper plating it, or altering the date on a 1948 to appear like a 1943,
But these are scams that are easy to detect, I don't like how this is going so far with your coin!!
If it was mine I'd file the edge of it, and if it turns out to be the real deal at lest I'd know and I'd still have, and it would still be worth at lest 90% or more of its value!
Its your coin! I've seen countless Kennedy Half's with cut edges where people wanted to make sure that they were clad, but not knowing that they were silver clad!
Mark
diggervance
New member
Hey Eddie,
That's great advise have it rechecked. I found a gold grill and a ring with no markings. I took them to a gold dealer and was told both were fack.
After looking at these things for a couple of years and asking why would a Jewish ring and a grill you put in your mouth be fake. Two specialty items the teeth that needed fitted and a Jewish star of David ring. So I took them in and had them rested again and guess what both tested 10 k gold. Have it looked at for your piece of mind.
Rick
That's great advise have it rechecked. I found a gold grill and a ring with no markings. I took them to a gold dealer and was told both were fack.
After looking at these things for a couple of years and asking why would a Jewish ring and a grill you put in your mouth be fake. Two specialty items the teeth that needed fitted and a Jewish star of David ring. So I took them in and had them rested again and guess what both tested 10 k gold. Have it looked at for your piece of mind.
Rick
IDXMonster
Well-known member
I’d say even send it to PCGS but I wouldn’t want it in the mail or even in someone else’s possession. Can someone clear up this magnet test he did and why it makes any sense??
MarkCZ
Well-known member
To test the alloy a lot of pawn shops (high end ones anyway) actually have equipment to test metal alloy with.
Call a few in your area and ask them if they can something for you to see if its silver or not, but I'd still test slice
the edge of the coin first to make sure its a SOLID single metal.
Mark
Call a few in your area and ask them if they can something for you to see if its silver or not, but I'd still test slice
the edge of the coin first to make sure its a SOLID single metal.
Mark
WV62
Well-known member
I would at least get 3 or 4 opinions from the most qualified people you can find. To make a coin like you have I would think it would be really hard to make.
If I was able to make a coin like that I would just go ahead and melt down a couple of silver dollars and make the coin out of the right material. $20 dollars in silver to make a coin worth $10,000, why cut corners if you went to that much trouble.
Just make sure before you give up.
Ron in WV
If I was able to make a coin like that I would just go ahead and melt down a couple of silver dollars and make the coin out of the right material. $20 dollars in silver to make a coin worth $10,000, why cut corners if you went to that much trouble.
Just make sure before you give up.
Ron in WV
MarkCZ
Well-known member
WV62 said:
And if its a "Novelty Counterfeit" then it would be known and there be maybe hundreds of thousands of them floating around, but "Novelty" knock offs are pretty cheesy made.
What's in the middle, or how much is at the surface would most likely tell the tell on this! My coin book doesn't mention any warnings about watching for counterfeits of this coin!!!!
I do know that ALL metal has a certain issue with magnets and that doesn't mean that they have to stick to a magnet either.
Mark
Chris(SoCenWI)
Well-known member
If you are going to fake a rare date coin with any hopes of passing it off as real at least use the correct metallic composition. I suspect that it is most likely a fairly modern novelty fake, lesser chance a contemporary counterfeit (be pretty stupid to counterfeit a coin with metal the same value as the real thing.)
Eddie, can you clue us in on depth, what kind of site, etc.
I'm also curious about the magnet test, will google that tonight.
Chris(SoCenWI)
Eddie, can you clue us in on depth, what kind of site, etc.
I'm also curious about the magnet test, will google that tonight.
Chris(SoCenWI)