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It seems there is still some confusion regarding Ground Balance Enable.....

Digger

Constitutional Patriot
Staff member
Ground mineralization refers to how magnetic the ground is. The false signalling caused by a metal detector that is not ground balanced to the soil is called Ground Noise. The purpose of implementing ground balance is to compensate (electronically) for the effects of mineralization.


Similar to the earlier FBS series of detectors, the Ground Balance functionality of the CTX 3030 comes default with Tracking Ground Balance. This means that, as you sweep the coil, the CTX 3030 continually monitors the mineralization levels in the soil, and neutralizes those effects through it's software programming. In most conditions where the ground mineralization is mild, Tracking Ground Balance will work just fine.

Recognizing that there were parts of the world where mineralization levels were such that Tracking Ground Balance was not the optimal solution, Minelab incorporated a feature into FBS2 that allows us to turn off the Tracking Ground Balance, and enable a specific Ground Balance mode. Ground Balance mode is designed for highly mineralized sites where you might find your TID numbers bouncing erratically. Or, in places where you are getting a lot of ground noise (false signals) from the mineralization in the ground.

As I said, the CTX 3030 comes "default" with Tracking Ground Balance implemented. You can confirm this by looking at the Ground Balance Quick Menu to see if the green check mark is in the little box beside Enable GB. If that box does NOT have a check mark, Ground Balance is NOT enabled and you are in the Tracking mode.

If you want to take the CTX 3030 out of Tracking and put it into the Ground Balance mode, there are two steps required to establish the proper Ground Balance. One is to Enable GB. The other is to allow the CTX 3030 to Automatically set the Ground Balance.

To take the CTX 3030 out of Tracking Ground Balance and implement a set Ground Balance, you should first Press and hold the Ground Balance Button from the Detect or Map screens. This will open the Ground Balance Quick Menu. At this menu you will find two options.....Enable and Start. The Enable Ground Balance option toggles between On and OFF, as indicated by a green check in the box to the right. As I said, the box should be unchecked (empty), indicating that Ground Balance has not been activated (off). To activate Ground Balance, Press Select to confirm Enable GB selection. A green check in the box to the right tells us that Ground Balance has now been Enabled. But we're not done yet! Now that we have taken the CTX 3030 from Tracking mode to a Ground Balance mode, we must set that level of ground balance. Automatic Ground Balance allows the CTX 3030 software to set the level of ground balance required to neutralize the mineralization for the soil at that particular time. To perform this step, find a spot that is metal free. (any non-discriminating hunt mode should suffice). With the Ground Balance Quick Menu displayed, use the down arrow to highlight the Start GB option and press Select. You will then see a message that confirms the Ground Balance is in progress. Raise the coil approximately a foot above the ground, then lower it again until it almost touches the ground. Repeat this motion several times. The CTX 3030 will provide audio feedback during this GB process. The audio should get quieter and quieter until it becomes totally quiet. At this point the process is complete and you should get a message telling you so. If you are unable to complete this process, or don't get the message, go back to the Ground Balance Quick Menu, press Start option and press Select again. Then raise the coil approximately a foot above the ground, then lower it again until it almost touches the ground. Repeat this motion until you get the message that the process is complete. If you don't get the message, you're doing something wrong in the process.

Notice in the last paragraph, when I said that setting the ground balance did so for that particular time...... realize you are locking the ground balance into a setting that will not change as you sweep the coil. It is now what could be termed a "fixed" ground balance, based on the soil conditions under the coil during the time you performed the Automatic Ground Balance procedure. As you hunt the site, the mineralization level can change dramatically. Therefore I recommend to those using Ground Balance....re-set it occasionally, throughout the hunt. Otherwise the level of ground balance you selected could be counter-productive to why you thought you needed to set a ground balance.

Ground Balance is best used in conjunction with Coin-Ground Target Separation.

When you want to disable Ground Balance and go back to the default Tracking Ground Balance, Press and hold the Ground Balance Button from the Detect or Map screens. This will open the Ground Balance Quick Menu. Scroll to Enable and highlight. When the green arrow disappears in the box, Start. press Select to confirm. The green check will now disappear in the box to the right, telling us that Ground Balance has now been disabled and Tracking is back in place.

HH Randy
 
Thanks for all your help..
Appreciate it..
Sonny
 
Thanks Digger for taking the time to explain. This will help alot of us. Myself included. It looks like to me if you are hunting a beach wet sand or dry sand the box should be empty. As it states don't GB on the beach. Thanks again.
 
Jim Robertson said:
It looks like to me if you are hunting a beach wet sand or dry sand the box should be empty. As it states don't GB on the beach.

Yes. Typically, you will do better on wet and dry sand in the default Tracking mode. (box empty) However, during my field tests in late 2011, I found one spot on a Gulf beach that was noisy. If I held the coil about an inch above the surface of the sand, the CTX would sit there and sing! No matter where I had the NC or the Sensitivity, it just wouldn't quiet down. So I switched to Ground Balance Enable (checked the box) and let the CTX 3030 select the ground balance level. The CTX 3030 quieted right down for that section of beach. I set up for Ground Coin Separation and hunted without a problem And this was before the Saltwater mode was introduced. Next winter, I may go back there and see if the Saltwater mode would let me use tracking. By the way, this was the only place (in the months and months of field testing) that I found ground balance to provide better results than tracking. JMHO HH Randy
 
I always us the largest coil on the beach to cover more ground. Not sure if size matters?
 
Larger coils have to analyze a larger volume of soil. And a larger volume of soil would have a different mineralization matrix. But the electronics implemented in each coil takes that into consideration when making adjustments to the CTX 3030. HH Randy
 
Just a matter of different technologies Col. There is some good information on Minelab's website. Here is one that I enjoy trying to figure out! http://www.minelab.com/__files/f/11043/METAL%20DETECTOR%20BASICS%20AND%20THEORY.pdf

Full Band Spectrum (FBS2 in the CTX 3030)
FBS (Full Band Spectrum) simultaneously transmits, receives and analyses a full band of multiple frequencies. This provides the detector
 
Come on Randy, how much more plain can Bruce make it? :shrug:

H=2nIa2/(a2+z2)3/2

Assuming that the target is small, the signal from the target back to the coil is similarly detected in proportion to

2na2/(a2+z2)3/2

Thus the there-and-back signal is proportional to

1/(a2+z2)3.

Furthermore:

V
 
Really Larry, everybody understands those equations. That was taught to us in 1st grade with 1+1=3
 
Randy----Larry-----That's what I been sayin ALL ALONG!!!!!!!!!! :tongue:
Larry (IL) said:
Come on Randy, how much more plain can Bruce make it? :shrug:

H=2nIa2/(a2+z2)3/2

Assuming that the target is small, the signal from the target back to the coil is similarly detected in proportion to

2na2/(a2+z2)3/2

Thus the there-and-back signal is proportional to

1/(a2+z2)3.

Furthermore:

V
 
:biggrin: I must have been sick the days they covered that stuff back in high school. :rofl: Way over my head.
 
As a relative newcomer to metal detecting, all I need to know for the time being is [size=large]what[/size] a detector does. I'll get to the how and why later.
When I was doing due diligence trying to decide on the CTX, I came across this on MIneLabs website regarding FBS technology.

Automatic Sensitivity & Ground Compensation for Maximum Depth

As you sweep the coil in search of targets, Automatic Sensitivity and Ground Compensation monitor the full band of frequencies for changes in ground mineralisation. Whenever the level of ground mineralisation changes the sensitivity is automatically adjusted to maintain maximum depth. The ground compensation circuitry removes false signals caused by fast changing levels of ground mineralisation. Both of these advanced features work together to maintain maximum detection depth and sensitivity, allowing you to concentrate on listening for targets.


http://www.minelab.com/usa/consumer/knowledge-base/minelab-technologies


Although, as some have said, it would have been nice if Minelab had used a little more wordiness in the manual, but for sure the info was available.
After all, we have Digger, and to his credit has kept my ship afloat. Thanks to all who have contributed their time and knowledge.
Great people and great hobby. HH
 
Larry, looks like you gave Minelabs proprietary seacrets away. The next thinhg you'll see is a Whites 4040 FBSx!
 
Welwood470 said:
As a relative newcomer to metal detecting, all I need to know for the time being is [size=large]what[/size] a detector does. I'll get to the how and why later.
When I was doing due diligence trying to decide on the CTX, I came across this on MIneLabs website regarding FBS technology.

Automatic Sensitivity & Ground Compensation for Maximum Depth

As you sweep the coil in search of targets, Automatic Sensitivity and Ground Compensation monitor the full band of frequencies for changes in ground mineralisation. Whenever the level of ground mineralisation changes the sensitivity is automatically adjusted to maintain maximum depth. The ground compensation circuitry removes false signals caused by fast changing levels of ground mineralisation. Both of these advanced features work together to maintain maximum detection depth and sensitivity, allowing you to concentrate on listening for targets.


http://www.minelab.com/usa/consumer/knowledge-base/minelab-technologies


Although, as some have said, it would have been nice if Minelab had used a little more wordiness in the manual, but for sure the info was available.
After all, we have Digger, and to his credit has kept my ship afloat. Thanks to all who have contributed their time and knowledge.
Great people and great hobby. HH


It doesn't say ground compensation is automatic? I think it adjusts after you ground balance the machine. Off is off. I need to hear the truth from the horses mouth which is minelab.
 
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