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Is Tesoro in $$ trouble.

Would be nice to be able to hunt in discriminate and choose either silent hunt discriminate or sum in discriminate with an all-metal threshold with a non-linear response so that small deep changes are heard and large surface objects are heard while keeping the discriminated beep or non-beep very clearly above the threshold tone information. Hit pin-point and the all-metal over-rides the discriminate so the information about size depth and relative conductivity are all apparent as they are in the current VCO pinpoint mode ... just slow the auto tune on the pin point down a little.

Those wishes aside, Tesoro's are excellent value and if small businesses aren't taxed out of existence and they have a plan for the next generation of management succession lined up, they should still do well without buying into the new product every year game.
 
I have always wondered why the 2-tone idea, as in my Royal Sabre never caught on. All that would be necessary is a width control knob that would let the tones become mixed at tab level. Then the regular discriminate knob could be set anywhere to minimum on up. This is why I will never sell my Royal. Then, you have the best of both worlds-a regular beep-dig detector that automatically gives you tone ID in case you ever need the info. This is the way the Bounty Hunter Tracker works, but the Tesoro is much better quality and has the lifetime warranty.:thumbup:
 
We are trying to figure out how to slow down the auto tune in all metal on the Cibola. I think it's basically adding a resistor someplace, on the board. It may or may not be that easy.
 
Would be nice to have schematics. If it's implemented with one of the op-amps it could be a resistor or capacitor value change. If the auto tune is an algorithm programed on the chip ... that's the not so easy story. And I am guessing that the Vaquero uses the same circuit board so once one is figured out the other is too.
 
dahut said:
Tesoro had the uMax configuration before anyone else. To date, only a handful of makers have really gotten on the 'small and powerful' bandwagon.
Rather than add a lot of fancy displays, I'd like to see Tesoro add non-motion all metal to their entire line - along with either a manual GB or functional autotrac circuit.



tvr said:
Would be nice to be able to hunt in discriminate and choose either silent hunt discriminate or sum in discriminate with an all-metal threshold with a non-linear response so that small deep changes are heard and large surface objects are heard while keeping the discriminated beep or non-beep very clearly above the threshold tone information. Hit pin-point and the all-metal over-rides the discriminate so the information about size depth and relative conductivity are all apparent as they are in the current VCO pinpoint mode ... just slow the auto tune on the pin point down a little.



I'm not picking on you guys so don't get offended........but if Tesoro or any other manufacturer made a machine
with all the bells and whistles,lightweight, multi coils ,and affordable they would essentially be cutting their own
throats because then you wouldn't have to buy several machines for different tasks.
 
Curtis,
Thanks for your thoughts! Absolutely no offense taken by me. I think the more discussions and opinions shared the more we can learn.

At this point in time, if something like a Cibola or Vaquero came out with an added ability to sum in or not sum in an all-metal threshold in the background with the discriminate and beep mode, for somewhere close to the same price, I think I would have to buy one.

There are a lot of design trade-offs involved in bringing products to market. No one set of features is going to meet everyone's needs. Same reasons there are Smart cars, Prius, SUVs, pickups Ferrari, et-al. I'd like a 4 cylinder (maybe 6 but I think HP and torque can be done with 4) manual transmission 6 seat pick up with an 8 foot bed. 200 hp is enough as long as there is plenty of torque, no turbo, lets get the fuel economy up and still keep manufacturing cost low. But that isn't on the market either.
tvr
 
I just bought a Tesoro Tiger Shark 3 months ago and I think its terrific. I have only used it on wet sand and in lakes. I haven't had a chance to use it in salt water yet. If it works half as good in salt water as it does in the lakes, its a winner with me. I do wish that it had a meter like my Garrett ACE 250.
 
gotta. remember detectors are NOT a '" priority" item on most people's agendas these days!..heat,food ,and jobs are!..probably creating financial issues with ALL the manufacturers now!..

(h.h!)
j.t.
 
I personally think they should market the Euro Sabre in the States, albeit with a different name. The iron tone and other Euro features would likely bump the Vaquero out of the catalog.
 
Tesoro in trouble ? I hope not!
I have owned eleven since 1985. Thay were all purchased new. So tesoro got most of my money to keep them going.
One of the reason was thay are easy to resell fast and have money for the next one. And there will be a next one I hope. It looks like It will be a while before I wear my Tejon out.Hang in there Tesoro !
Its been an enjoyable 29 yoars of beep & dig. 24 years with a Tesoro.

Tejon & stingray 2
 
We have never in this country:

Lost so may jobs to imports that will not return

Had such massive debt (personal and public) that we can not pay it back

Had so many leaders who are (one world government advocates ) who are also members of secret societies.

Never ever had a population that will double in 5 years and not enough food and natural resources to support them.

I could go on and on but don't make the mistake of thinking things will return to normal for any length of time.

We have NEVER EVER been here before. It is new.

Jim
 
frenchfry said:
I just bought a Tesoro Tiger Shark 3 months ago and I think its terrific. I have only used it on wet sand and in lakes. I haven't had a chance to use it in salt water yet. If it works half as good in salt water as it does in the lakes, its a winner with me. I do wish that it had a meter like my Garrett ACE 250.

Salt water will give you problems, Freshwater it's a killer on small gold and silver, used a TS for two years, probably over 250 hours on it.
No need for a meter, if it beeps, you dig. Rely on a meter you lose out on lots of goodies. Just ground balance it correctly, set your sensitivity correctly and set your disc. mode to just knock out the hairpins and your good to go.
You will be surprised at what you find that you would have passed up relying on what a meter tells you.
I know, been there. ID machines are great up to a point, especially if you just want pennies, nickles, dimes and quarters.
But, if you want gold and small silver, ditch the meter.


Have fun
Happy Holidays
 
Read all the posts and have to put my two cents worth in.

I've known JACK Gifford since BEFORE Tesoro, back when he was the G in C&G detectors.He has always put Quaility before Quanity and his company always will. Yes he is stubborn and hard headed (and instilled that in James and Vince) but has built some of the best units every designed. It took 6 years of aruging and fussing to get Jack to build a water unit..Then came the Stingray and now the Tigers. He has the technology to build an even better water unit right now but.... most people WANT but don't realize the cost of retooling for new units. When Tesoro thinks the time vs the cost of production is right you will see a VERY improved water unit from Tesoro, very lite and powerful!! I spent a lot of time on the phone a while back with Vince trying to convince them of a couple of EXTRA items to include in this unit. Such as Extra loud volume and Small case. Why extra loud volume? Well after 30 + years of hunting, my hearing is not as good as it used to be...I'm OLD. But A LOT of water Hunters are retired and like me don't hear as well as we used to, with a volume controll, Extra loud audio circuit you can trun it down easier than you can turn it up. Tesoro is here to stay boys and girls so hang in there. it will come

Grumpy (TX)

Buddy Parker
 
That's good news, to hear, Grumpy!

I realize how expensive it can be to retool and set up a new production line... well, almost!

It's got to take a bundle of money!

Garrett sure built a nice plant for their new operations.
It might take a big jump like that for Tesoro to expand..

Just NOT a good time, economically, to do it, I'll bet.

Best
rmptr
 
I know, been there. ID machines are great up to a point, especially if you just want pennies, nickles, dimes and quarters.
But, if you want gold and small silver, ditch the meter.

Not that there is anything wrong with small change... it can add up fast. My annual total is waaaaay down this time, due to far less detecting than in 2008 than in previous years. I've only hit hard the last 3 months.
But once the tumbler is done and all is rolled, I'll break $100 easily.
Had I detected regularly and other facets of life not gotten in the way, that would have doubled... maybe tripled. My best year, I nearly broke $400 - just in small change!

Now it is true that gold and silver can be all over the discrimination scale, so you must dig everything. You are dead right on that, Sven. So along those lines, I'll give a little personal comment, here:
Lately I've been detecting in two phases - cherry picking AND mid range recovery. I don't stop to dig everything all at once.

I know this sounds a little controversial, but hang in there.

What I have started doing is setting my DISC controls to knock out all but nickels, cents and the payola's (.$10, $.25, $.50 and $1 coins). Then I dig those hits, IGNORING all others.
I can move along pretty quickly this way, efficiently scooping the coin targets. Large silver targets will invariably come through in this step.

Next I switch to accept all targets, from foil to coins and retrace my steps. Whats is left is a ton of foil, pull tabs, screw caps and so on - along with whatever gold jewelry or small silver which may be there. You will also recover the occasional coin that was masked by trash in the first pass.

Now, to make this work, there needs to be easy diggings and a 'clad crowd' which has been present in large numbers. But if those two conditions are met, segregating out the two regimes like this makes it possible to cover each target grouping with more focus and efficiency. Think of it like this:

Imagine you were a machinist, given the task of turning out a large lot of like, individually made pieces. You could either do each one by hand, painstakingly performing each manufacturing step to each part. Or, you could set up a production line, and do each step quickly to each piece as part of a group of parts.
In the first method, it takes forever to get done, switching tools, fiddling with and resetting pieces, etc. The second way is much more efficient and is what put Henry Ford on the map.

Treating our detecting the same way, offers the same benefits. You actually spend a little less time doing it in this tiered fashion, while gaining a huge amount of focus. If you are REEEEAAAALLLY interested in gold jewelry, you can knuckle down and eliminate all coin signals but nickels and only dig the mid range.

Now this is disciplined hunting, and you need a taste for trash. Also, some particular equipment is needed to pull it off.

It works best if you have a machine with a notching function and selectable DISC features. Then you can avoid all the knob twiddling and target evaluation hoo-haw that tends to bog you down with lesser machines. This nearly always means a mid, to high price, TID machine with a meter, since only a few detectors with such features lack a meter. The Tesoro Golden is one example of a non-metered machine that is perfect for this sort of hunting. There a few others, but you'll have to go the used market to find them.

So, as much as I want to say, "Be a purist and Dig It All" I have to change that a bit. In the past I would have smugly said that, but now I'll say,
"Dig It All - But Do It In Phases."
 
Dahut, there's another example I can think of that makes a meter a valuable tool, Its relic hunting. I know, the mantra is dig everything for relic hunters and that's true when you're on a known site. But, when you're trying to locate a site in the first place, digging everything will get you nowhere fast. I use an X-terra 70 and run in All Metal, but when I'm trying to locate a site I pretty much ignore the iron signals the first go around. I'm looking for bullets, snaps, small buckles, buttons, etc. Once I locate one of these then I start digging everything in the immediate area. Most CW sites are in concentrated hot spots and when you have many acres to search, you don't spend time digging every iffy signal until you have an idea that you're in a relic field. I actually have more than one detector for this anyway and my other detector is a Tesoro Eldorado that I go over to after I've found a site. That machine will get deeper in all metal than any other machine I've used (including an MXT with stock coil). At some point I'll probably replace it with a Tejon, but I have to have a few good sites to work before I'll go that route.
 
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