Input please on upgrading my detector

[Fanger]

Wow!!! I got detector late yesterday and had a hard time getting the setup In my brain but just got it done, went to my spot where Iv looked a million times and got a deep buffalo nickel.......been here less than 5 minutes.....

 

[Geologyhound]

That will get the adrenaline pumping! Congrats! Please post a picture later. Still waiting on news for mine...

 

[Fanger]

Two thumbs up, its pretty awsome!

 

[Geologyhound]

Tracking says mine is out for delivery and should arrive by 7 PM tonight! I downloaded a copy of the Excel Deus 2 program log spreadsheet in anticipation. This was originally posted by Brad Plohman over at detectorprospector.com. I am not finding a copy on this forum. If you would like a copy, look for the thread Deus 2 Program Log at that website. I converted that to the current version of Excel and formatted it to print double sided on 11 x 17 paper. Now I have all the factory programs on one side and all the save slots on the back side of the paper. This should make a good field reference to help me figure out how different settings affect target response in the field.

 

[Fanger]

I do LOVE it! I have snooped a little on my property where there isnt suppised to be anything but trying to figure the machine out. At first I was totally unsure if I could figure this thing out, I can barely text, after a little while reading and watching videos I finally kinda figured it out and looked for all together a couple of hours and found I think 4 coins, none valuable , and several old pieces of brass type stuff from the old days and a hslf dozen round balls from the musket days so I am VERRRRY impressed. Some of the stuff , invluding all of the coins were from about 6 ti 10 inches deep which is beyond what I am used too. And it was all where I have looked for over 10 yesrs, literally a hundred times. AND I found a house site that I never knew was there, dug up a fired musket bullet there so Im impressed! I honestly believe this will be a game changer for us After fooling with it for about a half a day on my porch I figured out how to select the program I wanted-I think there are 14 presets- and how to customize them and after that its a piece of cake!!!!!

 

[Fanger]

Pardon my spelling please.......

 

[Geologyhound]

Sounds great! There are some sites I’ve hit with my old detector this year with the express intention of seeing how a new detector would do at the same site. Mine arrived this afternoon! Both the remote and puck were on version 0.6. I managed to get the remote updated but the puck was more difficult. It kept jumping to the volume screen. Then both buttons on the left would act as minus and both buttons on the right would act as plus.

I don’t know how many times I turned the puck off and back on before I was finally able to get to the update screen. When I turned it back on, it would start in the volume screen. If I was lucky and it didn’t start in the volume screen, then when I would hit any button it would jump to the volume screen and then I was stuck until I turned it off. When stuck in the volume screen I tried long presses, short presses, button combinations, you name it - the only thing that worked was plus and minus together to turn it off. I hope that is not normal. I will have to check it again tomorrow and see if the V0.71 update took care of that problem.

It took a while, but I finally have everything paired and updated, charged and assembled with one exception. It looks like the cap on the MI 6 was overtightened at the factory, as I noticed the cap was cracked right after I removed it from the box. I tried to remove the cap to see the charge port, but it won’t budge. The dealer hasn’t emailed my receipt yet, and I understand I cannot register it without proof of purchase. And I can’t get it replaced until I can register it and file a warranty claim. So I guess I will need to use my old White’s Bullseye pinpointed for a while longer.

At least I can take the detector out tomorrow...

 

[GA1dad]

Congrats on you new detectors! It has probably already been said, but don't be in a rush get rid of those MXT's. They may be a little older and heavy, but they are worth holding on to as back ups or when you get a hankering to go old school-ish. Recently my MXT saved the day when my Nox 800 was struggling with what I assumed was EMI.

Never used a Deus,,, but they are supposed to be great,,,, Happy Hunting!!

 

[Picketwire]

I tried to remove the cap to see the charge port, but it won’t budge.

A strap wrench works best. Heating it helps somewhat. I cussed when mine was so tight when I first charged it. The second time I charged it, and every time since it has been hard to turn. They don't have to be overtightened to be hard to remove just like my other pinpointers.

 

[Geologyhound]

First hunt with the D2 at some old residential properties. I experimented with some of the stock programs, but spent most of the time in Rattlehead’s Silver Slayer. The pitch tones are more like what I am used to with my Spectrum XLT.

I have some more learning to do on the nuances. I dug to 14 inches for an electrical outlet cover plate, and over 12 inches for a crushed pop can a couple times. I abandoned another hole at 17 inches (signal around 92-95 and still dead centered) when my Pinpointer still couldn’t pick up a target and the gravel was a big pain. I figured it was not a coin at that point. I dug a number of pieces of aluminum flashing. I wish I could figure out how to ignore those.

I am certain I missed several of these targets with my old detector. One had a bulldog clamp over the top of it, and couple others were under a bunch of wire. One of the nickels was actually on edge between two bricks on a step.

No silver, but not a bad afternoon. Three wheats - 1914, 1942 and 1944. Unfortunately the 1914 is a P, and the 1944 is not steel. The ring is a corroded kid’s ring. The interesting finds were the paramount star Gary Cooper popsicle medal, and the Health-O Representative good luck piece. Both of these finds are from the 1930s. Don’t know if you can see it on the picture, but before WW2 the swastika was considered a good luck symbol...

 

[Geologyhound]

A strap wrench works best. Heating it helps somewhat. I cussed when mine was so tight when I first charged it. The second time I charged it, and every time since it has been hard to turn. They don't have to be overtightened to be hard to remove just like my other pinpointers.

Thanks! I will have to give it a try. But, I am half wondering if I should wait and see what XP says before trying to take it off. If I mess up the threads on the pinpointer forcing the cap off, I am worried XP may not cover it.

 

[Fanger]

Hay geology hound, mine are both on 0.6 too but Im afraid to mess with them, I dont have a clue how to update them. What is the differance in operation ??

 

[Picketwire]

I dug to 14 inches for an electrical outlet cover plate, and over 12 inches for a crushed pop can a couple times.

Pinpoint button is your friend as is the depth meter. I'm sure the two huge targets would show a depth of one or two inches and pinpoint would be quite wide.. If you dig like 5 inches and it is not there it is a large target.

 

[Fanger]

I wasnt sure but as it is turns out to be a big improvment over what I have been doing. I went back to tinker with the audio adjustments just now and found 2 fifty cal round balls and an eye button in about twenty minutes in the spot where nothing is, I will probably run it like this for a littlewhile till I get used to it. Does it have a deph meter that tells how many inches deep the target is??? The way Im using it I think the weaker the sound the deeper the target, my mxt pro told the depth in inches and was pretty accurate most times.

 

[Geologyhound]

Hay geology hound, mine are both on 0.6 too but Im afraid to mess with them, I dont have a clue how to update them. What is the differance in operation ??

I am not sure of all of the differences. We might need to start a new thread in the Deus forum. I do know that all of your custom programs will be lost when updating from V 0.6 to V 0.71. Theoretically that bug was fixed in the new version so when the next new version comes out (may be soon) your saved programs won’t lost. In the meantime, if you have a saved program now, write down the settings before you update.

As for updating, the remote was easier for me than the WS 6 puck. You would need to go to the XP website and download and install the XP Deus 2 updater program on your windows computer. Make sure you install the updater for the Deus2 and not Deus (i.e. D1). Somewhere in this process on the XP website or update documentation I ran across a list of all of the fixes/improvements in the new version. There is a discrepancy between the manual and the software regarding the cord required for the remote. You can use the mains (three connection) charge unit which came with the detector (at least I was able to). IIRC, The order is launch the program, connect the cable between the remote and the computer, then on the remote navigate to the update screen in the menu and confirm update. It takes about 30 seconds from there. It will then say update successful, your remote will reboot and the new version number will be displayed.

Note that on the updater program there are two buttons near the upper left. One is for updating the remote the other is for updating the WS 6. Click whichever button you want and follow the directions on your computer monitor from there.

 

[Geologyhound]

Pinpoint button is your friend as is the depth meter. I'm sure the two huge targets would show a depth of one or two inches and pinpoint would be quite wide.. If you dig like 5 inches and it is not there it is a large target.

I have not run across any documentation of a depth meter on the Deus 2. Where would I find that? When pinpointing, I do get a higher/louder sound over shallower targets. But, short of more experience, I don’t know the depth. With the program I’m using to learn the basics of this detector, I do understand shallower coins give more of a pop sound and deeper coins give more of a zip zip sound. If I’m still getting a good signal well off the ground, it’s probably a large target. If the pinpoint signal fades relatively rapidly when lifting the coil, then it’s more likely a smaller target.

 

[Geologyhound]

I wasnt sure but as it is turns out to be a big improvment over what I have been doing. I went back to tinker with the audio adjustments just now and found 2 fifty cal round balls and an eye button in about twenty minutes in the spot where nothing is, I will probably run it like this for a littlewhile till I get used to it. Does it have a deph meter that tells how many inches deep the target is??? The way Im using it I think the weaker the sound the deeper the target, my mxt pro told the depth in inches and was pretty accurate most times.

Fanger, I have not heard of a depth meter on the D2. I did like the one on the XLT. Yes, I understand the strength/pitch during pinpointing is an indicator of depth. The sound quality of the target can also be an indicator of depth – see my last post with picketwire.

 

[Picketwire]

Fanger, I have not heard of a depth meter on the D2.

I have not run across any documentation of a depth meter on the Deus 2. Where would I find that?

See page 29 of the manual at the top. On the standard screen is what they call profile, one side ferrous the other non ferrous. On the Deus it is shaped like a horseshoe. On the D2 it looks like two fat upside-down Ls.
The amount of black in either side gives the indication of depth. All black says the target is very close. A small sliver of black says it is deep. There is no inch meter. Your MXT had a sensitivity meter calibrated to American coins. The Deus is designed for European coins which are of a much greater variety. I doubt is possible to even try to tell the depth when a cut coin is so much smaller than their big coins The Deus 1 manual gives a rough estimate of depth according to the amount of black in the profile. You can do the same by comparing the black to the depth you dig.

As for the pinpoint mode, take a flat can and pinpoint on it. Notice the "hot spot" is quite large and it starts to sound off outside the edge of the coil until you retune it. Pinpoint a dime. The hot spot is much smaller and doesn't sound off over near as big an area.

 

[Fanger]

Great info Geologyhound , the euro coin design may explain why my numbers are higher on the sam targets on the d2 than the mxt. And its a good idea for us to start a thread on Deus forum,

 

[Picketwire]

the euro coin design may explain why my numbers are higher on the sam targets on the d2 than the mxt.

The euro coin design has nothing to do with it. I have a Deus not the D2. With the x35 coil I have 5 different main frequencies, from 4 to 25 or so. If the VIDs are not "normalized" each different frequency will have different numbers. It is the same on my Impact with only 3 different frequencies. In general, 4khz has lower numbers for a dime than the higher frequencies. For instance, on the Deus, a dime at 4khz reads 75 and at 18khz it reads 91, a nickel reads 37 at 4khz and 64 at 18khz. If the numbers are "normalized", all the frequencies use 18khz numbers. They are not normalized to the MXT's frequency and use a completely different scale.. On the Impact, there are two different scales for ferrous, one from 0 to about 14, the other from 0 to 40. The Deus begins iron VID at -6.4 and goes to approx 10. On the MXT, ferrous starts at -95 and goes to 0. That is why numbers vary on the same target. Expecting the same numbers from different detectors is wishful thinking. Learn the numbers on the program you are in and don't expect them to be the same as your MXT.