In ground notch test on GOLD RING,PULLTAB,NICKLE

[GunnarMN]

I was asked to do this same test in ground , so I did 4.5" deep got the pull tab to break up and got the ring to still come in with a much better signal , I think i was overboard on the previous test in using the notch fine tuning can really make a diffrence.[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NfVsKNVB6o[/video]

 

[JimmyCT]

Hey Gunnar,

Thanks for running the test in-ground. Now this is just one scenario that could easily change with size and / or different metal composition. like you mentioned in a different post, the only notching you would be performing is if you were building a log cabin lol. I feel the same way. RickND told me "coming out the gate" to keep the notch and disc turned off and listen to the different tones in deciding. I feel this is very sound advice and I will stick with it. I remember the one day I was in the campground hunting (before they told me I couldn't dig lol ) and I got this extreme nice smooth tone registering 167 on my meter. Now, Many pulltabs that I run across hit right on 167. But the SMOOTH steady, clean tone ( not blaring and rough like a pulltab) clearly told me this was something different. Had I been notching out pulltabs, I feel this nice piece would of been lost to the notch monster. I rather hear for myself then decide. I am persistent and WILL eventually find my first REAL gold ring. (preferably with some nice large diamonds set in lol )

 

[Neil]

Gunnar have you ever seen Tom Dankowskis DVD? He shows how a small fleck of tin which his CZ would not even register as being there, would block out a signal from a deeper buried coin. That part of his DVD is very interesting and an eye opener.

The reason I mention it is because you mentioned about cleaning out all the metal before your test.

 

[Buried Crap NJ]

GunnarNM, Thanks for an excellent test of the notched system. I also ran the same test Sunday, with the same results. I was able to air test away from any electrical noise and get the nickle to sound better. Now I have a 180 meter as well and while the nickle was gone by tone it still showed a 145ish number bouncing a bit and I would have dug a 145 Many times I get a chirp and a 165-180 climbing a true sign of a deep target. Another note on targeting targets. The first sweep sounds off its the second and many more sweeps that sweetens the tones! Also if there is more than one metal in the target you can begin to hear that also on repeated passes.But only if the coil doesn't go outside the zone. The zone is really no further that the size of the coil. I use the edge of the coil. The reason is the entire process starts all over again.The threshold is the ground. In the video you can hear the ring so nice than it comes back in different in one of your passes and starts again. Your ring was such a clear one note sound after a few passes! my icon is a ring that is notched out with a pop top and its a big ring! Great job this will sure help lots of people hunt more proficient!

 

[synthnut]

There are so many sizes of gold rings and jewelry .....You can come to your conclusion on only one rimg if you like , but there are other sizes other than just that one ring .....As I said in another thread , the notch dealing with Pull Tabs is just too close for comfort and in some cases will totally loose gold jewelry including some rings .... I'm not saying that you should not use it , I'm just saying that it's not for me ..... WHen I am on the beach digging Pull Tabs , I know I am in the Gold Zone, and I am just waiting for that one Gold Ring to pop out of the sand ..... Think about it .....People wear gold rings are also drinking beer or soda ......where there's pull tabs , thee just might be a gold ring ....Jim

 

[GunnarMN]

Jim you are funny the notch monster, not only do you not let the notch monster scare you , you dont let the Its all cleaned out years ago monster scare you eather , LOL ----- Neil I have read up on dankowskys findings and he is right that why I am a dig all guy and i have gone along digging nails and as soon as the nails is gone a high tone comes thru and JAZAMMMM out comes a rare token , I should do a pull tab masking the same ring test or the nickle making the ring now you got me thinking 1st obove ground then in ground and to my friend in NJ thank you for apriciating the vidio and i alway need feedback thats what the fourum is about

 

[Tony in FL]

Thanks for the very interesting video! I don't own a Sovereign so I am coming at this from an Excalibur point of view. The machines are very similar and while I don't have notch there is a temptation to sometimes notch out pull tabs manually via my ears. I am with Jim on this one and believe that skipping pull tabs will almost certainly lead to missed gold over time. Gold rings come in all sorts of weights, shapes, and purity levels so the conductivity can vary thereby producing a wide range of tones. And pull tabs can come in a variety of shapes and sizes, and of course they can be found twisted, curled, and in pieces. This leads to significant range of possible tones for both pull tabs and gold rings with the potential for overlap.

 

[Rick(ND)]

Too many think there is a easy fix to get gold and not pull tabs by the notch, I feel just the opposite and only use notch if in a area where a certain pull tab is bothersome which is not often at all.
Now like you said that 167 sounded smoother is one reason you dug it, this is also my way too that after you have used the Sovereign for a while you get to know you pull tab sounds and you dig anything that don't sound like you normal pull tab. This includes how smooth it sounds to the size and the depth of it, it is not 100% perfect, but will give you a edge on digging less thrash and more gold. My best gold ring read like a beaver tail on the meter, sounded like a nickle as it was smoother sounding and I felt it read deeper than most pull tabs, so I had several reasons to dig it. The area was were the old bleachers where it was loaded with every kind of pull tabs and I was looking for silver and older Wheaties when I got this signal that was different, so I had to dig.
Like I say it is not 100%, but does make the odds better of finding gold when you get to know your Sovereign well and what it is telling you. I also find many other interesting items too doing this and some can slaw and pieces of the older tin cans that sound deep and interesting.


Rick

 

[synthnut]

I'm seeing many different scenario's here ......Some are beach hunting , and some are in bleachers, and some are in Parks ..... All these senario's and all these factors, bring things to a different light....for me anyway ...... For example , the fact that more people will be taking off jewelry so not to loose it , on the beach than they would at the park or at a game in the bleachers .......It's also a fact that it's easier to dig at the beach than it is on hard dirt ..... Another fact is that the ratio of pull tabs to gold rings has to be phenominal .... This is why I will tend to look for jewelry MORESO at the beach than anywhere else ......Is a matter of fact, I will spend more time at the beach than anywhere else because of the ease of hunting and the better finds .....Silver is another story altogether ......Unless it's a rare occurance , I will find as much Silver on the beach as I find gold in old Parks ..... At the beach , I will no longer pass by a pull tab tone , and the ones that are slightly different in sound , I will get more excited over ..... I too would very much consider the depth of the tone if on hard dirt .....That theory goes out the window when hunting in the sand !!.....

When hunting an old park where I have pulled old Silver before , I had a good Silver signal that was at least 8-10 inches down ......It sounded just like BIG SILVER !!....I had to go around roots and the dirt was HARD ....I dug for a good long time and was so tired from digging but that tone sounded so good .....By the time I got to the prize , I was worn out .......The pirze was one of those pesky screw caps from a bottle of wine !!......I was not happy , but had to laugh .....Those caps fool me every time, but never have I dug them this deep !!.....and ....... There were Wino's back in the day too !!!.......The point I am making is that there is somethng that will happen in a hunt that will make you go HMMMMMMMM !!!.... just about every time ......Remember , there is always a first for everything ......A first diamond ring .....a first Silver Dollar .....etc .......Jim

 

[JimmyCT]

Thank you Rick for your wisdom and help. It is truly appreciated. - Jim

Too many think there is a easy fix to get gold and not pull tabs by the notch, I feel just the opposite and only use notch if in a area where a certain pull tab is bothersome which is not often at all.
Now like you said that 167 sounded smoother is one reason you dug it, this is also my way too that after you have used the Sovereign for a while you get to know you pull tab sounds and you dig anything that don't sound like you normal pull tab. This includes how smooth it sounds to the size and the depth of it, it is not 100% perfect, but will give you a edge on digging less thrash and more gold. My best gold ring read like a beaver tail on the meter, sounded like a nickle as it was smoother sounding and I felt it read deeper than most pull tabs, so I had several reasons to dig it. The area was were the old bleachers where it was loaded with every kind of pull tabs and I was looking for silver and older Wheaties when I got this signal that was different, so I had to dig.
Like I say it is not 100%, but does make the odds better of finding gold when you get to know your Sovereign well and what it is telling you. I also find many other interesting items too doing this and some can slaw and pieces of the older tin cans that sound deep and interesting.


Rick

 

[Burbank Bob]

Great post - thanks and bookmarked!

 

[BH_Landstar_]

One problem with this ..... you will miss the gold rings that read as a nickel or under due to the fact that you've notched out the nickel !

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Gunnar, as BH_landstar alludes to, all you have done is simply compared one ring ,of a certain size, shape, and alloy content, against 2 other targets with certain size, shape and alloy content. (pulltab and nickel) It has only a bearing on *just* those 3 targets. Now of course square tabs (of that particular brand of soda), and nickels will continually be the same, every time, off the assembly line, right? But gold rings, on the other hand, come in INFINATE shapes, sizes, and alloys (ie.: 10k, 14k, 18k, 24k, etc...) And sizes from dainty small laides solitaires, up to big honkin men's college class rings. And everything in-between.

So all you have done, in your particular test, is simply chosen a single gold men's band, which happens to be slightly above square tabs on the TID. Your test could easily have gone the other way, if you had a gold ring that was slightly less weighty (for example, nearly every single women's wedding rings, which are usually not as big as men's, yet will usually always contain the better stones).

On the Whites 0 to 95 scale, those square tabs read between 35-ish, up to 44-ish, depending on which brand of soda, from which era. I suspect you have the kind from the mid 30's on the scale, which ...... yes ..... there are some men's bands that read higher than that. Heck, there's some men's rings (big college rings) that can read up near penny.

So if your only point was that there are some rings that read above tabs, fine. But trust me, you'll miss a LOT of gold rings by notching out square tabs, nickels, etc.....

Also, your threshold was WAY high. Is that the way you usually run it, or was that just for the video?

 

[BH_Landstar_]

There are also GOLD rings that come in above the quarter, like the one below !

 

[GunnarMN]

BH landstar that is one nice ring , the color is as good as it gets, , and your other finds are inpressive, kinda makes me thik twice about hunting tot lots I have abandoned them thinking no rings are lost in them , holy crock

 

[Tom_in_CA]

Some Asian jewelers actually even work in 22K and 24k! When you have a ring with gold that pure, even a SMALL one reads up in the penny/dime range. Because gold itself (in pure form) is actually a high conductor. It's the alloys for jewelry sakes, that make gold a low conductor.

 

[GunnarMN]

Tom that right , I always wonder about all the talk gold is a low conductor , ya only in the aloy form that may explane some nuggets hitting so well and rings hitting so low

 

[Critterhunter]

Good topic. Anybody wanting to read further on notching out pull tabs while still digging most gold rings should do a search for my thread "Splitting Hairs On" ring vdi numbers.

 

[Critterhunter]

Here it is...I did a lot of number crunching and the results are interesting after we tested over 100 rings from a random test pool...

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?21,1096415,page=1

 

[Tom_in_CA]

This is known as "ring enhancement" programming (either via audio, or TID's #s, cross-hair coord's, etc...). You merely take a sampling of the most common gold rings, and merely take a sampling of the most commonly recurring junk items (ie.: round tabs, square tabs, foil wads, etc...) likely to occur in a location. Then you can just do spreadsheet analysis, and come up with the best #'s/sounds to dig.

But it gets thrown out the window VERY quickly, if you are in an area of can slaw, or larger foil wads. And you WILL miss gold jewelry.

So it is not lending a hand at all to the "gold sounds different from aluminum" discussion. It has nothing at all to do with gold vs aluminum that is. It's merely looking at commonly recurring junk items (if you're lucky enough to be in a location where the majority of junk falls in to certain recurring items), verses commonly recurring gold ring TID's.

One thing too, you have to consider, is that rings with a crown on them (ie.: one side heavier than the other) do not lie flat in the ground (turf, etc...). A friend of mine ........ about 25 yrs. ago, staked out an area of an upscale old-town park, where he had pulled lots of silver from over the years. He figured he'd been missing lots of old nickels too, and gold jewelry. So he made it his mission to strip-mine every single signal from a given zone (which had been particularly good to him) to experiment with this. Over the next several months, he'd go a time or two per week, and purposefully dig every single signal from a staked out section of this grass. Every time he went, he carted off an apron full of junk, foil, tabs, teensy grommets, etc... And sure enough, at the end of a few months, he did indeed have a few V nickels, a couple of buffalos, and ........... yes ........ a few gold items. He decided that it JUST wasn't worth the trouble. And his time would have been better spent simply going to the beach, if he was that "hot and bothered" to find gold items

But an interesting phenomenom developed during his experiment: As he took meticulous notes and records of every single item found (so he could do ratios studies and so forth), he would slowly retrive/dig every object, so he could measure its depth, for instance. He noticed an interesting phenomenom when digging gold rings: Every time he dug a ring that had a crown on it, it was never flat. It was always tilted down in favor of the heavier end. In fact, some were actually vertical in the ground! Had he not been doing a slow meticulous study, this detail might not have been noted. His conclusion was that when they're tilted or on end like that, you're certainly not going to get the same TID that you would, if the ring were flat.