In dire need for some answers

[C.J.M.]

Cannot find answers to some questions . 1) How do this different settings 2.68, 2.77, 2.78 differ when hunting with stock coil ? Is it the depth or tones or what else? if you were to hunt at one Mode what would it be? some keep saying hunt in All Metal with ground balance active ?Would like to hear some feed back from you guys as to the best all around mode ,plus I have only have one extra coil for the 2.68 simplex the coil is the Nel 9.5"x5.5 " d.d. coil. Also got a new simplex +with 2.78 last July and only have stock coil for it. Any suggestions as how to set either one for permanet hunting?Big problem is I am half deaf and have problem with my eyes Ha,ha,ha its getting old. My detectors are like new had a though of selling both and buy a new LEGEND however at 82 I dislike hard curves ,Happy hunting guys and find that elusive gold coin. cjm

 

[oldkoot]

You have posed some great questions
from my experience with the Simplex Plus, I have never used one that had the 2.68 or 2.77 software so I am only speaking from experience with the 2.78 version, the 9.5x5 inch coil is the coil I prefer on the
Simplex Plus, I was lucky enough to get in on the deal that ran where you received the 11 inch and the 9.5x5 inch coils, with the 9.5x5 what I noticed is the separation, is better the depth in my opinion is almost the same as the 11 inch, the 9.5x5 is also less prone to EMI interference than the 11 inch, the 9.5x5 from my experience is less chatty than the 11 inch also, as far as modes for me I have found the field mode to be a bit deeper than the park mode also, the simpex plus has two park modes which personally I have not figured out why because I have never really seen a difference in the two park modes, the type of detecting I have done with the simplex I use the All metal mode quite often, and the field mode, I also ground balance every time I detect with what ever detector I am using the Simplex does not have a ground tracking.

as for the differences in versions again the only version that I have used is the 2.78 so I cannot give you any opinion on the other two versions at all other than what I have read about them the 2.68 I really have never read much about the 2.68, the 2.77 what I did read was the deepest of all three versions but was changed to 2.78 for some reason which off the top of my head I can not recall what was said

I have always wanted to try the 2.77 but Nokta/Macro no longer has that option on there website so we are stuck with the 2.78, if I am recalling correctly I have read that the Simplex's that came with 2.78 can not be reverted back to 2.77 not sure that is true because there are some that say you can, I believe you can not because I think I read that on Nokta/Macro's site which is now just Nokta

I have now moved on to the Legend which I love, but do keep the simplex around as a back up and loaner detector though

 

[C.J.M.]

Wow that was some great feed back, thank you so much

 

[oldkoot]

one last thing C.J.M, you have a great opportunity in the fact you stated you have two versions of the Simplex the 2.68 and the 2.78, if it were me find someone that saved the 2.77 update files for the Simplex and see if they will not send them to you, if you can then update your 2.68 version to 2.77 and then you would be able to tell me and others what the differences are that you observe, I know for a fact you can update your 2.68 version simplex to the other two versions and could go back well no you could not go back to 2.68 but you would have 2.77 and 2.78 version

what are the differences you have noticed between the 2.68 and 2.78 ???

 

[Monte]

Cannot find answers to some questions . 1) How do this different settings 2.68, 2.77, 2.78 differ when hunting with stock coil ? Is it the depth or tones or what else? if you were to hunt at one Mode what would it be? some keep saying hunt in All Metal with ground balance active ?Would like to hear some feed back from you guys as to the best all around mode ,plus I have only have one extra coil for the 2.68 simplex the coil is the Nel 9.5"x5.5 " d.d. coil. Also got a new simplex +with 2.78 last July and only have stock coil for it. Any suggestions as how to set either one for permanet hunting?Big problem is I am half deaf and have problem with my eyes Ha,ha,ha its getting old. My detectors are like new had a though of selling both and buy a new LEGEND however at 82 I dislike hard curves ,Happy hunting guys and find that elusive gold coin. cjm

To your initial question, I updated my original 2.68 Simplex + to 2.77 and preferred the additional Park program, which was the 'new' Park 1. The original Park program became Park 2, and the Park 1 program had better break-points as well as (for me) in-the-field -performance.

I adjusted my Simplex + (had 3 by the time I was done) units so that all of he Disc. modes, Park, Field and Beach, were set at turn-on to only reject the first single Discrimination segment because that typically rejected most Iron Nails but let me still hear some of the more-conductive ferrous debris. Also, I would usually start up in the Beach mode because the 2-Tone function had a high-pitched Tone more like the Park 1 mode's High-tone. Otherwise I would opt for the field mode. Those 2-Tone modes, on my Simplex +, worked well for me in maybe ¾ of the sites I selected at the time. The other ¼ of my hunting time was more urban Coin Hunting with modern trash and that's when I opted for Park 1.

A Dealer friend had a Simplex + and updated to 2.78 when it was initially offered, but didn't like it and reinstalled 2.77 which he also preferred. I did sell my Simplex + outfit to some good friends and he loves that unit, especially for freshwater Beach Hunting. I don't need it but I do kind of miss it and wouldn't mind getting another Simplex + that has the 2.77 software. Wouldn't care for the 2.78.

Back to search coils. I used the 11" initially when the unit was released, but not a lot because I don't usually care for a larger-size coil. Then I got Nokta's SP-24 which is their 5x9½ DD and it felt so much better in weight and balance, and performance was quite impressive. Mounted it and never took it off! Best all-around coil, in my opinion, for the Simplex +.

As for 'after-market' coils, I initially thought about NEL because they said they were making coils for the Simplex + and that included the 5" Sharp DD. I talked with Dilek at the time and asked if they were going to make a small coil for the Simplex + and she said "No, probably not." I asked about the NEL coils and she said she didn't think they would make them because they hadn't given them the chip information. They did provide the info to Detech but only to make the 13" Ultimate coil for the Simplex. NEL wasn't provided the design 'chip info', or at least not at that time. So I don't know how their 5.5X9.5 coil would work with the Simplex + of any version. I know NEL got me a first release 5" DD Sharp coil for another new model entry back close to that time, of a different brand, and it worked .... sort of. The Audio responses were generally pretty good and clear, but sometimes the Tone ID would be off a little because the Visual VDI read-outs were several digits off from what all of the manufacturer's available coils produced. Also, with the 5" NEL coil the read-outs were not as 'tight' so you had a bit wider spread that were off from what the target typically registered. I wondered at the time if they needed certain 'chip info' from that manufacturer, and if they coils would not have been as good as those made by Nokta for their own Simplex +. Then Nokta bought out the SP24 5X9½ and I was satisfied with the Simplex + performance, although I do wish Nokta would make a small coil for it.

I haven't used a NEL coil on the Simplex + so I don't know how it performs or compares to the SP24.

Monte

 

[oldkoot]

To your initial question, I updated my original 2.68 Simplex + to 2.77 and preferred the additional Park program, which was the 'new' Park 1. The original Park program became Park 2, and the Park 1 program had better break-points as well as (for me) in-the-field -performance.

I adjusted my Simplex + (had 3 by the time I was done) units so that all of he Disc. modes, Park, Field and Beach, were set at turn-on to only reject the first single Discrimination segment because that typically rejected most Iron Nails but let me still hear some of the more-conductive ferrous debris. Also, I would usually start up in the Beach mode because the 2-Tone function had a high-pitched Tone more like the Park 1 mode's High-tone. Otherwise I would opt for the field mode. Those 2-Tone modes, on my Simplex +, worked well for me in maybe ¾ of the sites I selected at the time. The other ¼ of my hunting time was more urban Coin Hunting with modern trash and that's when I opted for Park 1.

A Dealer friend had a Simplex + and updated to 2.78 when it was initially offered, but didn't like it and reinstalled 2.77 which he also preferred. I did sell my Simplex + outfit to some good friends and he loves that unit, especially for freshwater Beach Hunting. I don't need it but I do kind of miss it and wouldn't mind getting another Simplex + that has the 2.77 software. Wouldn't care for the 2.78.

Back to search coils. I used the 11" initially when the unit was released, but not a lot because I don't usually care for a larger-size coil. Then I got Nokta's SP-24 which is their 5x9½ DD and it felt so much better in weight and balance, and performance was quite impressive. Mounted it and never took it off! Best all-around coil, in my opinion, for the Simplex +.

As for 'after-market' coils, I initially thought about NEL because they said they were making coils for the Simplex + and that included the 5" Sharp DD. I talked with Dilek at the time and asked if they were going to make a small coil for the Simplex + and she said "No, probably not." I asked about the NEL coils and she said she didn't think they would make them because they hadn't given them the chip information. They did provide the info to Detech but only to make the 13" Ultimate coil for the Simplex. NEL wasn't provided the design 'chip info', or at least not at that time. So I don't know how their 5.5X9.5 coil would work with the Simplex + of any version. I know NEL got me a first release 5" DD Sharp coil for another new model entry back close to that time, of a different brand, and it worked .... sort of. The Audio responses were generally pretty good and clear, but sometimes the Tone ID would be off a little because the Visual VDI read-outs were several digits off from what all of the manufacturer's available coils produced. Also, with the 5" NEL coil the read-outs were not as 'tight' so you had a bit wider spread that were off from what the target typically registered. I wondered at the time if they needed certain 'chip info' from that manufacturer, and if they coils would not have been as good as those made by Nokta for their own Simplex +. Then Nokta bought out the SP24 5X9½ and I was satisfied with the Simplex + performance, although I do wish Nokta would make a small coil for it.

I haven't used a NEL coil on the Simplex + so I don't know how it performs or compares to the SP24.

Monte

great write up Monte thank You

 

[CalG]

I have had the Simplex + 13 months. Mine is setup on 2.78 and I never saw the need to use 2.77. The difference according to the company is the 2.77 will ID targets deeper but not as stable on numbers as 2.78. The 2.78 will Id more steady but not as deep 2.77. The machines on sound off targets at the same depths. Settings is according to the location, but the ones I use the most are Park 1, volume 1, ground balance then subtract 5 or not, no disc, Iron 2, sensitivity Max. HH

 

[C.J.M.]

To your initial question, I updated my original 2.68 Simplex + to 2.77 and preferred the additional Park program, which was the 'new' Park 1. The original Park program became Park 2, and the Park 1 program had better break-points as well as (for me) in-the-field -performance.

I adjusted my Simplex + (had 3 by the time I was done) units so that all of he Disc. modes, Park, Field and Beach, were set at turn-on to only reject the first single Discrimination segment because that typically rejected most Iron Nails but let me still hear some of the more-conductive ferrous debris. Also, I would usually start up in the Beach mode because the 2-Tone function had a high-pitched Tone more like the Park 1 mode's High-tone. Otherwise I would opt for the field mode. Those 2-Tone modes, on my Simplex +, worked well for me in maybe ¾ of the sites I selected at the time. The other ¼ of my hunting time was more urban Coin Hunting with modern trash and that's when I opted for Park 1.

A Dealer friend had a Simplex + and updated to 2.78 when it was initially offered, but didn't like it and reinstalled 2.77 which he also preferred. I did sell my Simplex + outfit to some good friends and he loves that unit, especially for freshwater Beach Hunting. I don't need it but I do kind of miss it and wouldn't mind getting another Simplex + that has the 2.77 software. Wouldn't care for the 2.78.

Back to search coils. I used the 11" initially when the unit was released, but not a lot because I don't usually care for a larger-size coil. Then I got Nokta's SP-24 which is their 5x9½ DD and it felt so much better in weight and balance, and performance was quite impressive. Mounted it and never took it off! Best all-around coil, in my opinion, for the Simplex +.

As for 'after-market' coils, I initially thought about NEL because they said they were making coils for the Simplex + and that included the 5" Sharp DD. I talked with Dilek at the time and asked if they were going to make a small coil for the Simplex + and she said "No, probably not." I asked about the NEL coils and she said she didn't think they would make them because they hadn't given them the chip information. They did provide the info to Detech but only to make the 13" Ultimate coil for the Simplex. NEL wasn't provided the design 'chip info', or at least not at that time. So I don't know how their 5.5X9.5 coil would work with the Simplex + of any version. I know NEL got me a first release 5" DD Sharp coil for another new model entry back close to that time, of a different brand, and it worked .... sort of. The Audio responses were generally pretty good and clear, but sometimes the Tone ID would be off a little because the Visual VDI read-outs were several digits off from what all of the manufacturer's available coils produced. Also, with the 5" NEL coil the read-outs were not as 'tight' so you had a bit wider spread that were off from what the target typically registered. I wondered at the time if they needed certain 'chip info' from that manufacturer, and if they coils would not have been as good as those made by Nokta for their own Simplex +. Then Nokta bought out the SP24 5X9½ and I was satisfied with the Simplex + performance, although I do wish Nokta would make a small coil for it.

I haven't used a NEL coil on the Simplex + so I don't know how it performs or compares to the SP24.

Monte

HI Monte, I was wondering how do I update my 2.68 simplex to 2.77 ,also if I do this will I still be able to use my new NEL 9.5x5.5 d.d. coil for the 2.68