In a slump

[bibelot]

At a all time low . I dug 18 coins today,no silver, all new crap. I dug a lot of garbage to find that many. I'm tired of digging junk. How accurate is the Deleon with the metal displays, I mean square nails disc high and so does big metal scrap.I'm beginning to hate pull tabs and light bulb bases.

 

[chuck ky]

just disc. out the pull tabs

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Deleon is great for coins.
Essentially in the bar graph will show silver and number 95 for copper penny, dime, quarter, half, and full dollar along with all silver. Zinc will have full bar in zinc range.
Still can have some masking but you will get pretty consistent bar graph readings along with some confused ones.
Took mine out the other day. When it's a pull tab or trash it will with show up many different bars or full bar in pull tab.
Not the best for gold I don't think. Because of where gold shows up all over, it could potentially look like trash and be skipped over thinking it's trash.
I use it for a scan over an area for the coins. Then I go back over with another and dig everything above iron just to be sure any gold is found.

 

[Mega]

Welcome too the reality of metal detecting,most of the time you only find folks posting decent finds but they rarely show you the amount of junk finds along side,you could of course try increasing discrimination but then we start getting into the realms of loosing some decent finds.If you mainly hunt in say a park environment then the trash too finds ratio will be much higher.

But on cleaner farmland away from say modern trash then the finds too trash ratio will be in your favour,i would assume that one has never used a Pulse machine before,that could start making you pull your hair out,as they have very limited discrimination but of course the plus side is that once you have cleaned a site out using a Pulse detector then that is when the Pulse starts earning its keep because of the massive depth advantage that they can give.

A smaller coil may be a massive help on very trashy sites,as most of the time if you are using say a stock coil or larger then you will start getting target masking and once again loosing decent finds.

Would another detector help in over coming the trash problem that you are having ?? maybe but i would certainly go down the route of using a smaller coil before buying another machine.Coil size will and can make a massive difference on trashy sites and your finds to trash ratio will improve.

 

[bibelot]

Thanks for the replies.I am on the fence whether to buy a Deleon or a Tejon. I put the 4" coil back on last night. My problem with the sabre is flipping the toggle to pinpoint in am, if you bump the toggle too hard it retunes the coil to the target. You can refine the target location that way but it also messes up your next search from the retune to the previous target. Holding the coil in the air away from ground targets gets you back on track providing there isn't power lines close to where your air space to retune is. I found a new area where square nails and a pull tab signal in the high 8's on both machines so it's not the tuning on the sabre that is misreading. The pull tab looks to be a big mouth can opening, large oval tails rather than the beaver tail type tabs.I'm pretty sure they are the oldest tab I have found yet. Mega,I am pulling a lot of trash as I go.....

 

[amberjack]

I love putting up photos of rubbish because it brings perspective and scares of would be dirt diggers

reality this photo is trash for an easy gold ring.

so keep on diggin fellas plenty more where that came from

and if your real lucky you might get one of these

AJ

 

[bibelot]

This is trash from a new area that I just started hunting .

 

[walnut]

Did you look at the Cortes? Sum mode w/ tones, notching, very interesting.

 

[bibelot]

Did you look at the Cortes? Sum mode w/ tones, notching, very interesting.

I'm a bit short of $721. The Deleon has a sum mode with tone and notching or no ? I think I would like to try the RSD coil. The tejon has tone control but a delta coil so I couldn't swap to the sabre if I wanted to.

 

[Tinfoil]

That stuff looks like what is in my pouch after a day of ring hunting. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[slingshot]

If it were easy, the rings would already be in someone else's cache. Everyone would have a detector. Finally, when you DO clear an area that is oft visited, the latter trips become that more enjoyable, and those that rely on ID will probably pass over some good finds.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Did you look at the Cortes? Sum mode w/ tones, notching, very interesting.

I'm a bit short of $721. The Deleon has a sum mode with tone and notching or no ? I think I would like to try the RSD coil. The tejon has tone control but a delta coil so I couldn't swap to the sabre if I wanted to.

Deleon does not have a sum mode.
With tesoro, you really don't need a screen
A vaquero is great, but for using your epsilon coils, maybe an outlaw (brother of Bandido II iMac, regarded as the best tesoro ever made) which comes with 3 coils and extra lower rods for easy switching. Package is $551 give or take. Or comes with just an 8" donut for less.
I love that machine!! I have the Bandido II iMac as well but those will be harder to find.

I'll be honest, I only use my Deleon for coins, then go back over the area for gold. Gold will read weird on the tesoro TID units because of the circuitry. There's no gold bar on the graph because gold comes in all over because of the size and ground.
A unit like the outlaw or vaquero (4 pin Delta coils) would be a great unit.
I don't own a Tejon but heard great things. They are more sparky and chattery as well as the Delta coils though and the GB it more touchy.

Of all currently available units with GB I will have to recommend the outlaw. Great deal, 3 coils, and can use your existing 5 pin coils.
But out of the box it can handle any situation you have from dense trash (5.75'') to moderate (8" coil) to light trash and open areas (12x10" coil). And for the price for all that you can't really beat it.
Check some YouTube videos out about the outlaw. I think you'll be impressed.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

If it were easy, the rings would already be in someone else's cache. Everyone would have a detector. Finally, when you DO clear an area that is oft visited, the latter trips become that more enjoyable, and those that rely on ID will probably pass over some good finds.

+1 about the ID and passing over. Part of what I tried to explain above about the Deleon and Cortes. Great great coin detectors for me, but for full hunting of gold silver and coins, I go for the screen less units.

 

[bibelot]

I'm most likely going with a Vaquero with a RSD coil. The Tejon is just more money than I'm wanting to spend. I thought I found another dollar or half dollar piece but It's just another stupid penny . When I seen the one cent, I couldn't believe how bad my luck is running.I can't find a date on it. The good thing is I'm only half way through the foundations, maybe something in better condition will be waiting for me to find it.

 

[amberjack]

keep diggin something good will happen

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

That penny looks really old. At least you know that noone had hunted there. If they had, that penny wouldn't be there.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Also. Since it's a 4 pin machine (Vaquero) you will need to buy new smaller coils. I've heard great things about the RSD coils, but you will want something smaller for trashy areas.

 

[walnut]

I wouldn't buy a cortes new either. I've seen nice ones sell on eBay a few times though.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I wouldn't buy a cortes new either. I've seen nice ones sell on eBay a few times though.

I agree. I got my Deleon of the bay. It was a good price. Spent the 50 and sent it in. When it got back it was in new working condition and tuned to my Troy super 7.
Even after the cost plus the cost to send it in, I got it for half off new price.

 

[walnut]

And I really hate to admit it, I bot an unopened fisher f2 off eBay that I am liking as much as my compadre. Fairly simple but sensitive and accurate. If the number is 32 it's a nickel. If 34 it's a square tab. Dig all the stable hits anyway if you want the good stuff. I got in a slump lately too but plan to break that slump. It's mostly about your spot, isn't it.