I'd like to see something NEW from Tesoro, like one of my 'concept' models, The Coyote.

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[Denar]

Or perhaps Tesoro Tesoro should give up liftime warranty, which is costing to much and instead design and produce modern, competitive detectors and listen what dealers and customers are saying. The Coyote does not exist, it is classic wishfull thinking, is very old-fashioned and rooted in the 20th century anyway.

 

[Shenandoah Digger]

Not sure how it can be wishful thinking and old-fashioned at the same time. That would be like putting a lot of thought into designing an old Metrotech, if you have any idea what that is.

 

[Topo]

How about "Tesoro Topo"?


sounds cool eh?

 

[GunnarMN]

monty, when you say tru ALL METAL i think i can safly say the compadre does not have a tru all metal , but my musketeer does i found that in disq mode the compadre and musketeer get fooled by hot rocks and small iron but in all metal the musketeer really slises thru whith eas so if you put a tru all metal on your new tesoro i wonder how it would do in mineralized ground

 

[Monte]

Or perhaps Tesoro Tesoro should give up liftime warranty, which is costing to much and instead design and produce modern, competitive detectors and listen what dealers and customers are saying.

I have felt that way for a long time regarding their "Lifetime Warranty." I am certain there might be a bit of an expense that they don't need. Also, we have seen, through the years, some models that worked OK but the manufacturers were simply stagnant. Sure they sold some detectors, but not enough to stay competitive. Let's face it, too, that some technology calls for more talented electronic design engineers than some companies have ... or can afford.

A savvy manufacturer will listed to what dealers ans consumers are asking for. Wishing for. You are correct with that comment.

The Coyote does not exist, it is classic wishfull thinking, is very old-fashioned ....

Is it? You even stated that Tesoro ought to be listening to what consumers are asking for, and when I think of a good, functional, non-display model or a wide variety of hunting applications, "The Coyote

 

[Denar]

Monte I agree with you in 95%, it is time of display detectors, though there is still some space for non-display units. First Texas is producing cheap, quite well designed units eg. Omega 8000 and I think that Tesoro electronic box with sharp corners, first used in 1996 in Sidewinder until now, should be changed to something similar, waterproof with a display not prone to damage like in FT product.

 

[Monte]

monty, when you say tru ALL METAL i think i can safly say the compadre does not have a tru all metal,...

That's quite safe and is exactly what I have been trying to convey for years. Those of us who were enjoying this hobby when the first popular "All Metal" detectors were introduced in the early/mid 1970 can appreciate the differences. Before that we had BFO's and BFO Discriminators, or TR's and TR-Discriminators. The latter two were he most popular, but the TR and TR-Disc. models were reactive to changes in the coil/ground relationship. Then we were provided with our first VFL (Very Low Frequency) ground balance or ground cancel models. At first, there was no provision for discrimination as they were simply VLF ONLY models. You ignored (canceled, balanced, etc.) the ground signal and thus you were going to be responsive on ALL metal targets, bot ferrous and non-ferrous.

This circuitry design was then improved with the addition on a conventional TR-Disc. mode (non-motion) and you could switch between the GB'ed All Metal mode or a non-motion "conventional" TR-Disc. mode.

Next came George Payne's Bounty Hunter Red Baron that provided motion Discrimination IF you used a very fast sweep speed. It was termed "Synchronous Phase Discrimination" or SPD for short. It was soon used by White's and then other manufacturers copied or used their own designs to make a four-filter, fast-motion Discriminator. Many, perhaps most of those, lacked sufficient lower-end adjustment to be able to accept all metal targets as most had some amount of iron rejection at the minimum setting.

In the Compadre's case, it doesn't have the "traditional" Threshold-based All Metal mode. It features a zero rejection (Tesoro termed ED-180) all-metal accept Discrimination setting. Tesoro, has usually referred to this function as "All Metal" since it responds to ferrous and non-ferrous metals. However, it is still a motion Discriminate function.

i found that in disq mode the compadre and musketeer get fooled by hot rocks and small iron but in all metal the musketeer really slises thru whith eas so if you put a tru all metal on your new tesoro i wonder how it would do in mineralized ground

As I suggested, I would want to have manual Ground Balance to provide all "traditional" ground cancellation operation, Threshold-based, and that means All Metal detection.

I also would have it feature a TRUE zero discriminate (all metal accept) motion Discriminate setting.

Hot rocks, and cold rock, are both the same thing. Can they produce a different response? Yes, possibly, but a hot rock or cold rock is only determined to be what it is because it is an intense mineral specimen that is out of context with the adjacent ground make-up ... AND... it is determined by its association with the detector's ground balance setting. They are simply "hot" or "cold" with reference to the GB setting and you can adjust most detectors to treat them one way or another. Naturally, doing so will cause the primary All metal mode GB to be 'off,' but that only figures.

I believe David Johnson designed the excellent (and sadly discontinued) Diablo

 

[Monte]

been used as the display pod for the Toltec II since it was released in January of '94, and then as a stand-alone control housing on the Sidewinder, introduced in April of '94. It was the Sidewinder

 

[Mike Hillis]

I like your WOLF concept, Monte.

Regarding the 2 tone mode, I would want the nonferrous tone to be VCO like I currently have on my F5/Omega. VCO audio isn't that common but it has its place and in this particular tone mode, it is a great feature and works very well.

I'd buy a WOLF just as you descibed it if Tesoro would make one.

HH
Mike