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thirdbornau

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I was on the beach when i saw this man who also had an Excalibur. He told me i was using mine wrong?

Now i always search in pin point and switch my search to discrimination when i get a tone, i get a better tone in pin point and as far as i can remember one person who put a film in the forum said he always hunts in pin point then switches to discrimination. This guy (on the beach) said you have to hunt in discrimination but i can identify a good tone in pin point too i only switch to discrimination to make sure. I find plenty of goodies hunting as i do now i almost argued with him he did have the older model to mine could this be why he was so adamant?..

Now i have heard discussions about this before and know that some like to hunt in pin point and others straight away in discrimination. I have tried in discrimination but can't handle the constant noise i get and i think i am missing targets when i hunt in discrimination. Is it a matter of choice or am i really using my Excalibur 11 wrong please put my mind at rest any comments welcome.

Cheers Maureen..

I see the views but not the replies please give it a go thanks.
 
Maureen your not wrong. Look up some of old beechnuts posts, he does it all the time and alot of us hunt in that mode for several added benefits including faster reset from target to target, excellent target sizing, superior depth(that seems to be dependent on location) and you eliminate target masking.
Also(reference Gregs post above) you have the same ground adjust/track as in disc mode.
To bad for the person who told you this, they are missing out on hunting the way you do:thumbup:
the only recommendation I would make is to not check all your targets with the disc mode, only really questionable ones. This way you will learn the all metal mode even better(it does have sound variances even though they are not as pronounced as the disc modes tones) and not wear out your disc/all metal mode control prematurely.
Neil
 
The manual states PP mode is HAS NO FORM OF GROUND BALANCE. That said, PP will sound off to targets when the microscopic iron content in the ground and some minerals cause discriminate to dicriminate out the target. I have only hunted one beach where pp hit targets better.
 
i would think there would be even more constant noise in pp as you would be hearing all the iron that is eliminated in disc.
 
Advanced Methods for Finding Gold In The Water with the Minelab Excalibur by Clive James Clynick explains this in detail. There are places where you have a great advantage hunting the way you do. It is deeper and as you know this method will find targets that can't be heard in Disc. No arguement if it works for you that is fine. I hunt that way often. The DD coils do not loose any coverage when in PP. If you can get Mr. Clynick's book it will help you and anyone else that hunts with an Excal.
 
I usually hunt in pin point on the beach and in the water.

In pin point, I often get a side signal when the coil comes anywhere near a target and that allows me to find targets that are not directly under the coil. I cannot tell you how many rings I have found while the coil was just NEAR a target in pin point. Not sure why it is so super sensitive in pin point to targets that are even near the coil, but it is. I've found rings that may have been missed if I was in discriminate. In discriminate, that does not happen. The coil needs to be right over the target to be found in discriminate, at least in my experience.

And yes, you only need to know a few sounds with pin point. I use discriminate when I know I am over a target. Quite often, I switch to discrim and I hear nothing when in PP, the target was obvious. I do switch to discrim when I find a target just to check and not dig iron or steel.

I use the WOT coils on all my Excaliburs and it gets even better with that coil. I have found rings almost a foot away from the coil with the WOT.

The only time I hunt with discrimination is when I know there is a lot of iron or steel around. But for most hunting in the salt water, that is not too much a problem. So Pin Point gets the nod in salt water for me. For school yards, I most usually hunt in discriminate. Just too much junk to run PP.
 
Hi Maureen
Neil's right. Nothing really wrong with what you're doing. Here's the site he mentions

http://www.youtube.com/user/OldeBeechnut#p/u/4/NUlMxbYM-z8

Good Hunting,
Mike
 
All good responses. Those who learn to hunt in PP have the advantage over discriminate hands down. Those who don't refused to learn, are missing out. You'll hear responses like, if your going to hunt all metal why even have a detector that discriminates, just buy a cheaper model. It does take some learning and most never learn to use the detector they own, no matter which brand it is. Since I learned I can't believe the targets I was missing by just an inch. Its so true that the coil in PP only needs to be near a target to respond. While learning this method I too checked in Discriminate just to see if I was right on the call (Good/ Bad) its the only way to learn. Many times I would switch over and hear nothing as well, almost a sure sign its a good target. Many confuse the lack target response (sound/volume) with depth, this is so untrue. I am by noway finished learning by any means. I see so many hunters unplug there batteries as the on off switch as they have set the dials for life???????? WOW! good for the rest of us. If your unwilling to turn the dials you are at a loss. And don't anyone tell those guys racing down the beach these are slow motion machine either.
 
Sounds like your doing fine, I would continue to hunt like that. I have been hunting this way for about 4 years now, and I can think of only a few times I had to hunt in discriminate. I would work on trying to guess what each item is by examining the target from different angles with the coil, and watching for differences in the shape, size, duration, and strength of the signal, then checking in discriminate, then digging a few to learn the characteristics of what the detector was telling you in PP. In time you will find there is alot of info in the PP signal.................. carry on, and good luck................OBN/joe

Some settings I start the day off with, could be different at your beach but give them a try.
 
My suggestion try using in discriminate a couple of days and make your own judgement.For inland I use discriminate,which is the only way to go and will give more depth.LOL if you use PP in my parks bring a garbage truck.For those who use PP at least masking won't be a problem.I would have kept my Whites TDI for this type of hunting.The Sovereign is what it is but to hunt in PP is like being color blind only seeing black and white.Good Luck
 
Phew !!!! thank goodness for that,

i knew i could depend on you all for help, and it seems i am doing fine (can't wait to bump into that guy) Ha HA. I must say i do turn to discrimination if things are really trashy as PP drives me crazy picking up on every bottle top, but even that can be a pleasant tone when the beach is really clean i have had that too.

I would like to buy the book from Clive James clyick where will i get that from? maybe my local newsagent can order it in .Well to all you legends thank you so much and good luck HH.. I really appreciated the replies.

Cheers Maureen
 
Hi Maureen
There is really no right or wrong ....It's up to the individual, and the area hunted ...... My beaches are full of iron and black sand ......I will hunt in discrim mode .......When I get to a beach that has targets few and far between , and not much iron , I will hunt in PP mode ..... It's all site dependant ......Friends that I have down by Virginia Beach or down South further , can hunt with no problem in PP mode as they are not dealing with the iron and all the CRAP that is littered up here in NY ...... If they came up here to NY , and hunted in PP mode, they would not walk one step without checking out every target in that one step !!!.....They would be hunting all day and go 10 ft and be batty from the noise by the end of the day !!... Different strokes for different folks so to speak .... Try both ways if your area allows it ..... See what way YOU like to hunt .... If we went to a resteraunt together and I told you that they made best Steak in the land , you might find that they make a better Chicken !!!...... It's all up to the individual and what their area offers ....Jim
 
Maureen, Check Ebay the CJC books are all there. for $14.99 usd.
And Like Synthut said above if you can find the area's that are iron infested that others have tried to hunt in discriminate, get in there in PP and clean up the goods. I bet since you hunt in PP you won't even dig one piece of iron. Here in NJ we have lots of iron on our beaches. Here you'll see hunters pick up and walk through because they can stand all the nulls. It's real treat to be the first in an area past up by others.
 
I've been reading Clives's book "finding gold, silver and coins for the Sov and Excalibur" nice book ordered it on ebay for $10 bucks with free shipping..

Greg
 
i have an older sovereign so maybe the pinpoint is different. on mine it narrows the signal to locate the target. i don't see how hunting in this mode will give you a much wider signal.
 
chuck said:
i have an older sovereign so maybe the pinpoint is different. on mine it narrows the signal to locate the target. i don't see how hunting in this mode will give you a much wider signal.
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Not sure which post your referring to on this chuck but the Sov GT has two all metal modes, one has a tracking feature that gives a broader signal over a target, similiar to disc mode. the other is the pinpoint mode which gives the sharper response your referring to I suspect, it is used on the sovs from the XS model up through the GT. its also on all of the excals. I cant remember if it was on the original, been awhile since I had one of those.
when I use the all metal mode on my GT I use the pinpoint all metal mode, I like the tight sharper response, comes in handy for sizing and seperation and just like disc mode you dont have to bother with any tracking adjustments as it adjusts itself:thumbup:
 
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