I have used many tesoro's and pretty much liked them all...each had a special place in my heart.....loved all the coil choices,most models use only one 9v battery and the machines are light and rugged right ? So what gives.....why can't we have a tesoro that has multi tones with a knob to set v break....like ttf "two tone ferrous" like an etrac or many other machines. It would be a cool option....bells or horns.... Does anyone think the same ?
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Those are the types of questions that most folks have been asking for many years,in recent times as a result of not having the top engineers or the investment that most other top brand have basically all they have been doing is 're-packaging' old models hoping to keep the former glory still alive,the company is still ticking over but for how much longer doing the same old thing is anyones guess.
One day i personally feel the old Tesoro magic bubble will burst,just my opinion of course,but folks these days dont want just machines that 'work' they like some extras to fiddle with in the overall package,Bulgarian machines can offer the same performance but with the extras at the same price 'today' and always bringing out new models and not 're-packaged' old machines.That is what folks want and willing to part hard earned money for.
One day i personally feel the old Tesoro magic bubble will burst,just my opinion of course,but folks these days dont want just machines that 'work' they like some extras to fiddle with in the overall package,Bulgarian machines can offer the same performance but with the extras at the same price 'today' and always bringing out new models and not 're-packaged' old machines.That is what folks want and willing to part hard earned money for.
Sven
Well-known member
Yes,
But, it takes money, engineering staff, production equipment, marketing staff..........................employees...................
Kind of tuff for a young educated electronics engineers, etc. to work for min. wage, when he can work at Microsoft and at Apple, Google, etc. and buy a sports car a month later.
Maybe Tesoro should look at getting some Chinese investment.........maybe even Russian engineers. I hear they have Mail Order Engineer Services...................not only do they have hot women
who would move to hook up with you, they have top former military electronics engineers.............
But, it takes money, engineering staff, production equipment, marketing staff..........................employees...................
Kind of tuff for a young educated electronics engineers, etc. to work for min. wage, when he can work at Microsoft and at Apple, Google, etc. and buy a sports car a month later.
Maybe Tesoro should look at getting some Chinese investment.........maybe even Russian engineers. I hear they have Mail Order Engineer Services...................not only do they have hot women
who would move to hook up with you, they have top former military electronics engineers.............
All they would have to do is get a Royal Sabre like I have and add the tone circuit like on my Royal Sabre. I set the notch control knob where the tones split at pulltabs and rival the newer machines. The technology is ALREADY there and they could take a simple detector like the Silver umax. THE TECHNOLOGY IS THERE=IN THEIR PAST MACHINES!!!!!
Happy_Hour
New member
It seems Tesoro is doing the right thing, still in business, best warranty by far, appeals to the general public price wise, best tot lot and recovery detector out there.....Every company out there is killing each other trying to out do the other with there super duper new gizzmo's...
Tesoro sits back, watches the ( keeping up with the jones ) companies...95% of the people just want a simple detector to use a half dozen hours a week to enjoy the out doors, could care less if they found anything of value or not...Tesoro's from day one to present are all identical in performance....A joy to use and simple to use....
If each and every one of you who has bad things to say about Tesoro, go to the other forums and cry and belly ache...I am a Tesoro user for 20 plus years, enjoy their product and I hope they never change a damn thing...
Tesoro sits back, watches the ( keeping up with the jones ) companies...95% of the people just want a simple detector to use a half dozen hours a week to enjoy the out doors, could care less if they found anything of value or not...Tesoro's from day one to present are all identical in performance....A joy to use and simple to use....
If each and every one of you who has bad things to say about Tesoro, go to the other forums and cry and belly ache...I am a Tesoro user for 20 plus years, enjoy their product and I hope they never change a damn thing...
Nauti
Well-known member
You are correct in what you say HH,tesoro machines are simple,no frills machines that still get the job done just as effectively as anything else out there.Most of the features on todays complicated machines are just useless rubbish,i know,i've owned some of them.
The problem for a company like tesoro is the fact that a lot of detectorists think they simply have to have the latest gizmo's to have the best chance of finding anything.As I said,i've owned many detectors both simple and complicated but most of my success has come from using no frills,excellent performing detectors.
It's a shame for companies like tesoro,they make brilliant machines that are simple in operation but have really effective performance,the problem lies not with such companies but with the fact that many fall victim to the promise of greater things from clever marketing.
The problem for a company like tesoro is the fact that a lot of detectorists think they simply have to have the latest gizmo's to have the best chance of finding anything.As I said,i've owned many detectors both simple and complicated but most of my success has come from using no frills,excellent performing detectors.
It's a shame for companies like tesoro,they make brilliant machines that are simple in operation but have really effective performance,the problem lies not with such companies but with the fact that many fall victim to the promise of greater things from clever marketing.
I love my Tesoros. I would just LOVE one that incorporates all in one so I could just carry ONE on my bicycle or carry by my side. So a simple ED-120 with a tone splitter circuit and submersible to15' feet called the AMPHIBIAN would storm the market-without hiring engineers and incorporating the technology already there.
I, too, enjoy my Tesoro's, but I have more than one because 'just one' do-it-all hasn't really been made. Oh there were some close models, and without the water-proofing the Pantera was my favorite with a Dual Tone audio and a variable "Tone Break" [size=small](the Notch Disc. control w/Notch selector to 'Off')[/size], sporting the ED-120 Disc. circuitry.slingshot said:
Not too bad a unit overall, but with my health problems, to include a bad back, neck, shoulder, elbow and more, I have to be weight and balance cautious, so, for me, I made the decision to get by w/o the Tone ID of the Pantera and opt for a lighter-weight model, choosing the Bandido II and even lighter Bandido II µMAX and Silver Sabre µMAX, and all of them have the thin, 6" Concentric coils mounted .
I enjoyed the two-tone Pantera much more than the more 'processed' Golden µMAX, and the [size=small]micro[/size]-MAX units I had all suffered problems, registering many of the US coins in lower tone frequencies in some moderate-to-challenging ground conditions. I would think it should be possible to use a similar design housing, maybe a [size=small]micro[/size]-MAX size, or the slightly larger Tejón housing [size=small](probably a better pick)[/size] in order to accommodate the extra adjustment knobs and added circuitry.slingshot said:
First, I don't think they should use a model name already used by a competitive manufacturer, which they have already done in the past. They used 'Eldorado' and 'Conquistador', and Minelab is one brand that used the name 'Eldorado', and White's used 'Conquistador' for a model they made a good decade before Tesoro was even born. Amphibian, if I recall, is another model name once used by White's.slingshot said:
But I seriously doubt that it would "storm the market" because there is a much smaller percentage of hobbyists who really want and need a waterproof detector, and control housing leakage [size=small](which Tesoro is well aware of)[/size] is an issue that every manufacturer faces when they try to enter that market.slingshot said:
Personally, I believe Tesoro has made/is making some very competitive models for the 'simple' and 'display-free' market niche, and might so well if they simply concentrated on a controlled number of models with a proven reputation for performance, changed some of the models names so they would be less confusing, and then consider a manufacturing route to produce those models at a more affordable price point. Today, and for quite a few years now, a lot of their MSRP market share has been absorbed with a wide-range of newer, more "fashionable" models with visual Target ID, VDI numeric read-out, and audio Tone ID.
I do agree with you, however, that a practical working Tone ID concept should be considered.
Monte
my 2 bobs worth, how much more can they do with knobs and switches other than rearrange them in different configurations ??
I have to disagree people who are time poor want all the advantage they can get hence screens and numbers and multi freq etc...
I don't use a Tesoro to find deep old silver, they have a place and that's not one of them, but hey I have a couple and they are not costing me a lot of cash to have sitting in the cupboard where as the other one with all the wiz bang is , and so people need to work out what they want a detector for and no one machine does it all but some can do more than others.
I sure don't take a ctx digging tabs, and I sure don't take a Tesoro digging 10" coins.
so bang for buck Tesoro's do ok !!
mail order Russian of the girl type with a degree in electronics I would start making AJ's
AJ
I have to disagree people who are time poor want all the advantage they can get hence screens and numbers and multi freq etc...
I don't use a Tesoro to find deep old silver, they have a place and that's not one of them, but hey I have a couple and they are not costing me a lot of cash to have sitting in the cupboard where as the other one with all the wiz bang is , and so people need to work out what they want a detector for and no one machine does it all but some can do more than others.
I sure don't take a ctx digging tabs, and I sure don't take a Tesoro digging 10" coins.
so bang for buck Tesoro's do ok !!
mail order Russian of the girl type with a degree in electronics I would start making AJ's
AJ
It's my understanding that with most detectors if you want to get the best depth you have to use the least amount of discrimination, which leads to depending on the site an increase in target signals. With TID and tones I can make a better decision on what I want to dig and possibly lessen the amount of trash and time spent digging non desirable targets. All I want from Tesoro is a machine that will let me use less discrimination and still be able to make a quick decision on whether of not I want to dig the target thats under the coil. Just make the DeLeon a 4 tone machine with its current TID and they would have a winner. But they won't so I'll keep using other brands for most of my detecting needs and use the Cibola and the 5.75 coil to cherry pick in tot lots around the play ground equipment.
OK. this is a PLEA, not a gripe. I am Tesoro thru and thru- after 20 years use. Yes, I blame myself for not getting the Golden while I had the chance. Mostly due to the fact I have a Royal Sabre with close to perfect what I want. The Royal Sabre proved, in my mind that ALL the great Tesoro qualities can be retained WHILE having a tone ID. It just WEIGHS almost 5 lbs. and in a umax package would be the ideal backpack/everyday detector without violating the Tesoro statement their company posted. This will be my last comment on the Tesoro question-I will make do. I just love the company, the all-important fast reset, and the lifetime warranty. I'm more of a cheerleader on the sidelines and this is my last hurrah!
Sven
Well-known member
I don't think anyone who has used a Tesoro or uses one now has anything bad to say about the units themselves.
We all like them, some favor a particular model over others, many of us have a number of favorites.
Tesoro doesn't need a new fancy pants techno ID, computer controlled detector. I would rather have a analog machine with switches and knobs.
Would have been nice if they made good with the Caz.
They can build the ultimate Tesoro with the technology they have right now. Just combine the best features of their best units into one machine.
We already gave them hints as to what us hunter wants from previous machines.
They have the base champ machine sitting the palm of their hands, the Tejon. They just need to hire the one special person to take that machine and
all the others and combine them into a Super Tesoro. They hear but, don't listen. Tesoro has a gold mine sitting there.
My guess is people are fed up with Tesoro's lack of get up and go. Just like the person in the family who has the ability, smarts and lots to offer, etc. that just sits home in front of the TV
or cellphone, won't get off their @ss to do anything, just one damn lazy SOB. Waste of a person just taking up space.....who need a swift kick in the pants out onto the street. We all know people like this.
At this point I wouldn't count on anything from Tesoro, its no longer the same company as it once was when old man Gifford was the driving force and design engineer. Now with one brother off on his own, leaves
one brother at the helm who should hire the right people to get Tesoro back to what it once was.
Tesoro owners feel as is if they are in one big family, so they take too much of a personal interest in how the Company is run and want to see them do well but, now see faults in the company and like to give their opinion.
From all the posts I have read, it just seems like Tesoro is no longer the friendly, jolly happy go lucky person who welcomes you to drop in at anytime. Now like a sourpuss, call before you stop in, maybe I have time for you....
Overall, nothing wrong with Tesoro machines, they have a model that will suit most anybody at great prices.
Troy Galloway of Troy Detectors supposedly has a nifty new Shadow detector designed up, opportunity is there for both him and Tesoro. One needs the money to move forward and the other needs a design to move forward.
And I bet if Tesoro offered shares in the company, lots of us probably would invest. TSX-6 = Tesoro Shadow X-6
We all like them, some favor a particular model over others, many of us have a number of favorites.
Tesoro doesn't need a new fancy pants techno ID, computer controlled detector. I would rather have a analog machine with switches and knobs.
Would have been nice if they made good with the Caz.
They can build the ultimate Tesoro with the technology they have right now. Just combine the best features of their best units into one machine.
We already gave them hints as to what us hunter wants from previous machines.
They have the base champ machine sitting the palm of their hands, the Tejon. They just need to hire the one special person to take that machine and
all the others and combine them into a Super Tesoro. They hear but, don't listen. Tesoro has a gold mine sitting there.
My guess is people are fed up with Tesoro's lack of get up and go. Just like the person in the family who has the ability, smarts and lots to offer, etc. that just sits home in front of the TV
or cellphone, won't get off their @ss to do anything, just one damn lazy SOB. Waste of a person just taking up space.....who need a swift kick in the pants out onto the street. We all know people like this.
At this point I wouldn't count on anything from Tesoro, its no longer the same company as it once was when old man Gifford was the driving force and design engineer. Now with one brother off on his own, leaves
one brother at the helm who should hire the right people to get Tesoro back to what it once was.
Tesoro owners feel as is if they are in one big family, so they take too much of a personal interest in how the Company is run and want to see them do well but, now see faults in the company and like to give their opinion.
From all the posts I have read, it just seems like Tesoro is no longer the friendly, jolly happy go lucky person who welcomes you to drop in at anytime. Now like a sourpuss, call before you stop in, maybe I have time for you....
Overall, nothing wrong with Tesoro machines, they have a model that will suit most anybody at great prices.
Troy Galloway of Troy Detectors supposedly has a nifty new Shadow detector designed up, opportunity is there for both him and Tesoro. One needs the money to move forward and the other needs a design to move forward.
And I bet if Tesoro offered shares in the company, lots of us probably would invest. TSX-6 = Tesoro Shadow X-6
yeah old man Gifford was a detectorist 
they are doing something in that work shop ?? must be ??
but yep even from a 5 years ago the happiness has gone from them can feel it in the air, I know the family has been through a lot the last couple of years and sometimes its hard to recover from big loses and then make big changes and from the new warranty rules cash is also seemingly a problem?
you know Tesoro's are great machines and they find stuff but really most people laugh at them or snicker under their breath when one gets pulled out, few fellas I chat with think I am nuts for owning them and even with finds as evidence would never own one, so my point is they sure are not for everyone, clicked with my 1st one from day one, pretty sure its the only machine I have got on with from day dot, so they worked their way in to my heart if you like
so come guys we know you can do it hang in there we are all barracking for ya's
AJ
they are doing something in that work shop ?? must be ??
but yep even from a 5 years ago the happiness has gone from them can feel it in the air, I know the family has been through a lot the last couple of years and sometimes its hard to recover from big loses and then make big changes and from the new warranty rules cash is also seemingly a problem?
you know Tesoro's are great machines and they find stuff but really most people laugh at them or snicker under their breath when one gets pulled out, few fellas I chat with think I am nuts for owning them and even with finds as evidence would never own one, so my point is they sure are not for everyone, clicked with my 1st one from day one, pretty sure its the only machine I have got on with from day dot, so they worked their way in to my heart if you like
so come guys we know you can do it hang in there we are all barracking for ya's
AJ
i don't think anyone is disputing the way tesoro's perform. it just seems that they are falling behind in the industry. as i have said before. with so many businesses, when the founder retire's or passes on and the children take over, it suffer's and does not stay around much longer. this whole cazador thing has become just plain ridiculous. one person said that it is just "vaporware" and that seems to be the case. it probably would be better if they merged with another company that would put some fire under their butts. tesoro is going down the wave they have been riding. taking a short time each week updating a facebook page, being a bit active in their brand forums, is not a hard thing to do. the only thing that they have posted on this forum is scolding their customers for wanting a little info on it after all this time. saying there has been a setback in design or something would be better than nothing at all. just keeping in touch with the customers that they claim is so important to them. that last rant post by Nathan on here is just an example of how far down they have sunk. if i was the head of that company, he would have been fired, on the spot, for responding to customers like that. this reply will probably be deleted for me saying so. there are some who think tesoro can do no wrong, like some who think obama has been a great president. a lot of businesses now days think it is the customers privilege doing business with them. instead of the companies privilege doing business with the customer. tesoro is a fine example of that.
I will say this, after having lived it for over 30 years-the search for some miraculous detector will continue no matter who the company and anyone who thinks a new gizmo is gonna override their lack of desire to do the work, research, and utilize correct search methods will never be happy.
For one instance, the Tejon still rivals some of the best, and by adjusting the two disc levels a workable notch system can be had. Getting the right tool for the right job is one thing, but trying to satisfy an insatiable urge is another.
For one instance, the Tejon still rivals some of the best, and by adjusting the two disc levels a workable notch system can be had. Getting the right tool for the right job is one thing, but trying to satisfy an insatiable urge is another.
I agree a employ coming on here and scolding us for their screw ups is a bit over the top.
think they have other things going on besides detectors and probably makes them more cash , so detector stuff takes a back seat and they just sell what they have as in modals.
would like to see their detector sales spread sheets for the last 10 years recon it would tell us all we need to know.
AJ
think they have other things going on besides detectors and probably makes them more cash , so detector stuff takes a back seat and they just sell what they have as in modals.
would like to see their detector sales spread sheets for the last 10 years recon it would tell us all we need to know.
AJ
Tesoro is a venerable company, with a loyal customer base. IMO, they need to update/upgrade their product line.
Rather than simply changing the color of existing models (still trying to figure that one), how about making a few FUNCTIONAL uprades to them! Things many customers are asking for, such as, multi tone ID (common industry standard now), better groud balance options etc.
One quick example: the LOBO ST, it's gold nugget/general use detector. It is 18 yrs old, no upgrades! Yes it is a decent nugget machine, but it could be better. In all metal, it has auto groung track ONLY. In disc. mode, factory set ground balance ONLY.
Add track lock, and manual ground balance to the all metal mode, and carry those over to disc. mode. Simple, functional upgrades that greatly improve it, but with existing technology. Such upgrades could be incorporated into many current models, improving them, with no new engineering marvels required!
Lastly, COMMUNICATE!!! The Cazador thing was/is a huge marketing blunder. Asking loyal customers to name your impending newest detector model, then, leave them hanging for years with only questions. That doesn't instill customer confidence! The Cazador seems like it would have many of the things JJdigs, and others are looking for. HOPEFULLY it's not dead in the water! If it is a no go, make some worthwhile upgrades as mentioned, and get back in the game.
Tesoro just needs to move forward, and let it's customers know it is doing so! (if it's not too late)
Rather than simply changing the color of existing models (still trying to figure that one), how about making a few FUNCTIONAL uprades to them! Things many customers are asking for, such as, multi tone ID (common industry standard now), better groud balance options etc.
One quick example: the LOBO ST, it's gold nugget/general use detector. It is 18 yrs old, no upgrades! Yes it is a decent nugget machine, but it could be better. In all metal, it has auto groung track ONLY. In disc. mode, factory set ground balance ONLY.
Add track lock, and manual ground balance to the all metal mode, and carry those over to disc. mode. Simple, functional upgrades that greatly improve it, but with existing technology. Such upgrades could be incorporated into many current models, improving them, with no new engineering marvels required!
Lastly, COMMUNICATE!!! The Cazador thing was/is a huge marketing blunder. Asking loyal customers to name your impending newest detector model, then, leave them hanging for years with only questions. That doesn't instill customer confidence! The Cazador seems like it would have many of the things JJdigs, and others are looking for. HOPEFULLY it's not dead in the water! If it is a no go, make some worthwhile upgrades as mentioned, and get back in the game.
Tesoro just needs to move forward, and let it's customers know it is doing so! (if it's not too late)
Sven
Well-known member
This subject probably has run its course, nothing anyone has to say will change anything.
You may love your Tesoro and hoping for something different comes from them.........
Those of you looking for that next detector, may just want to look at the DeepTech Forum here at Findmall.
You'll get the beep and dig flavor and a whole lot more, expect more from them down the line.
Their fan base is growing with a Tesoro atmosphere of guys.
If your totally happy with your Tesoro detector and don't give a hoot what goes on at Tesoro, you just enjoy detecting with that machine...
your golden, have a great time finding treasure, no worries.
Those of you who keep hammering on about Tesoro, may just need to make the switch and get back to having fun detecting.
Some Tesoro fans already climbed the fence, grass may just be greener there for you.
You may love your Tesoro and hoping for something different comes from them.........
Those of you looking for that next detector, may just want to look at the DeepTech Forum here at Findmall.
You'll get the beep and dig flavor and a whole lot more, expect more from them down the line.
Their fan base is growing with a Tesoro atmosphere of guys.
If your totally happy with your Tesoro detector and don't give a hoot what goes on at Tesoro, you just enjoy detecting with that machine...
your golden, have a great time finding treasure, no worries.
Those of you who keep hammering on about Tesoro, may just need to make the switch and get back to having fun detecting.
Some Tesoro fans already climbed the fence, grass may just be greener there for you.
al-andalus
New member
The company TESORO needs no update, because it provides good machines, what happens is that users are almost never happy with what we have and always want more, and that is not good as the price rises and I do not find more and better goals.
Greetings and sorry for my English
Greetings and sorry for my English
Sven
Well-known member
al-andalus said:
It all starts when you get your first detector and your friend has a different detector. He who finds more and or deeper items feels he has the better detector. Friend thinks if I get a better detector I can find as much or deeper than his friends detector. Or you read about how someone else is finding more or deeper items with another detector. So the mind starts playing tricks with you and you find yourself wanting a new machine. The grass must be greener on the other side of the hill.............then it starts, there seems to be a m detector that's always better than what you currently have, you want it. You buy it try it. Then the cycle repeats. your addicted in the hunt for that perfect machine. It may take you 20-30 years to find that machine if ever, if new machines are constantly being produced. The world today moves so fast and new products keep popping up on the internet you want to try, you never seem to take the time to learn how to use what they have to get the most out of it. You sell it in short order to buy something newer, better........like people with short attention spans.
All you have to do is visit all the forums out there and sub-forums of each detector brand and model. First thing you notice everyone who owns one, raves about the performance overall, best detector, deep,......
So that leads you to believe they are all great machines in general. Just like cars, they all get from from point A to point B, just some faster, some more comfortable, some with a lot more features and some more reliable.
Not everyone has the ability to drive a standard transmisson, high performance race car without crashing. Some are better off in a slower luxury car....
If your one of the lucky ones, your first detector might be the only one you'll ever need to handle your soil conditions, hunting style and ability to operate it at its full potential.
I settled on three machines that seem to fit all my needs, sort of like Monte. And just like Monte will keep an open mind to trying something a bit different as they come out. Pretty happy with the 3 three I have.
Metal detecting hobby is no different than any other that has so many different types of equipment to chose from. Be it hunting, fishing, mountain biking, boating, camping.......How many fishing lures in your tackle box?
Or should I say tackle boxes?
It really bad when your a fisherman and also a collector. Been there.