John, here I go again, I know I'm probably over doing it, but I swear, I'm speaking with thoughtfulness and integrety on this. I heard about that incredible outting with Golden. Wish I'd have been there too, (although I'm not sure if I could have "held up", as long as you guys did), but I heard it was a great weekend. I just wanted to address what you said about this forum not "bagging" the other brands. I know I really get on my soap box about the Quatro, quite often, and maybe I tick some people off, but the way I figure it, because this is a forum, that's part of what this is all about, But........., ,,,,,,,,, what I also want to say is, I honestly think that the vast majority of the posts I read on Finds Forum are extremely well thought out, very intellegent, thoughtful responses, and believe it or not, I try to fall into that catagory too. But I really think our "gang here" really seems to respect each other, and the overall feeling I get is: " let's be honest, and try and help each other, not just say a bunch of stuff to try and rile everyone up". I think if you look over most of the posts and responses on this forum it's a pretty darn responsible, level headed bunch of posts that can be backed up most of the time, not just putting down someone elses brand, just to be putting it down. When I read comparisons, it usually seems to be "reasonable", thought out, comparisons, not just blurbing out of competive brands. I'm saying this in agreement to what you said about Finds Forum not just putting down other detectors, "just to be putting them down". If we disagree, it's usually for a reason, and we'll try and back it up. That's all I'm trying to say here, but as an adjunct, I'm so pleased and fullfilled at the wonderful comradery, I've experienced on this forum and the tremendous "positive attitude", I've felt most of the time on the posts here,,,,,,,HOWEVER, you know I feel so strongly, about the Quatro, I'll get up in anybodys face who want's to challenge it, but I swear, I'll try and do it in a thoughtful, honest responsible way, and if I think they've got me beat, or should I say got Quatro beat, I'll back down and admit it, but, I don't think too many detectors in the world today, could take on that challenge. . Sincerely, Marc Trainor.