I have been reading with interest about the Compadre. I do have a question though. Would the Silver uMax outfitted with a smaller coil do about the same thing and find just as much of the small stuff? Reason I ask is I may be needing to get two detectors for the grandkids and one likes the Compadre and the other one likes the Silver uMax, guess they don't want to look alike. Thanks.
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how good really is the compadre
- Thread starter amcjavelin
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amcjavelin
Active member
hey there jim647 i've got the silver but can't tell you what it will do with the small coil but it will air test awsome depth with the 12 x 10 coil, silver qaurters air test at 10" to 12", a womens bangle bracelet 3" in circumfrence will air test at 16" inches, this is a nice machine i've found things with this that my whites m6 missed which blew me away.
You asked:
Would the Silver uMax outfitted with a
smaller coil do about the same thing
and find just as much of the small stuff?
Yes and no.
To the person that is not familure with
single tone Tesoro'es, especially new
to metal detectin, there would be little
difference.
What tha kids will noticed is that one
has a switch and an extra knob. Then,
what to do with tha switch and knob?
But hunting, tha kids probably won't
notice much other different.
But, I think there is a big difference. I
think that their depth on small gold is
very semilar... But tha Compadre can
detect some small chains, and maybe
a tad smaller piece of gold in the ground
that the Silver will not get any depth on.
The Silver rejects some small iron even
without any discrimination. It is refered
to as having an ED-120 discriminator. I
Think that makes it really smooth & fun.
I also think it's a good park machine. It
can do a good job of cherry pickin.
The Silver gets better depth than the
Compadre on most things. It has better
seperation with a smaller coil, but that
does not make it like tha Compadre.
The Compadre will pick up all kinds of
small iron if it is used with tha
discriminator all the way down.
But I keep tha disk down as far as I can
and still be able to hunt comfortably.
Actually, that's usually all tha way down
for me.
After I find a nice sound, I'll investigate.
That includes thumbing tha disc.
Both units are great starter units. If they
can learn tone, there will be no stoppin
them....lol It gives a newB a chance to
use a analog discriminator. Learnin that
gives a basic understanding of what tha
machines are doing. Let's face it.
Discrimination is tha basics of VLF
detectors.
Approaching it from a digetal perspective
can be daunting for a lot of people.
OH Gosh,
I guess I'm ramblein.
What was tha question???
Oh, what ever it was,
HH,
Tabdog
Would the Silver uMax outfitted with a
smaller coil do about the same thing
and find just as much of the small stuff?
Yes and no.
To the person that is not familure with
single tone Tesoro'es, especially new
to metal detectin, there would be little
difference.
What tha kids will noticed is that one
has a switch and an extra knob. Then,
what to do with tha switch and knob?
But hunting, tha kids probably won't
notice much other different.
But, I think there is a big difference. I
think that their depth on small gold is
very semilar... But tha Compadre can
detect some small chains, and maybe
a tad smaller piece of gold in the ground
that the Silver will not get any depth on.
The Silver rejects some small iron even
without any discrimination. It is refered
to as having an ED-120 discriminator. I
Think that makes it really smooth & fun.
I also think it's a good park machine. It
can do a good job of cherry pickin.
The Silver gets better depth than the
Compadre on most things. It has better
seperation with a smaller coil, but that
does not make it like tha Compadre.
The Compadre will pick up all kinds of
small iron if it is used with tha
discriminator all the way down.
But I keep tha disk down as far as I can
and still be able to hunt comfortably.
Actually, that's usually all tha way down
for me.
After I find a nice sound, I'll investigate.
That includes thumbing tha disc.
Both units are great starter units. If they
can learn tone, there will be no stoppin
them....lol It gives a newB a chance to
use a analog discriminator. Learnin that
gives a basic understanding of what tha
machines are doing. Let's face it.
Discrimination is tha basics of VLF
detectors.
Approaching it from a digetal perspective
can be daunting for a lot of people.
OH Gosh,
I guess I'm ramblein.
What was tha question???
Oh, what ever it was,
HH,
Tabdog
amcjavelin
Active member
get rid of the meters, and listen for the sounds nice repeatable signals and listen if there clear or if there is a slight crackle to it, usually if there is a crackle to it 9 times out of 10 it 's a aluminum pull tab, but thats my experience anyways.
Thanks for the info on the Silver amcjavelin. From taking them out from time to time I find depth doesn't matter to them as much as finding stuff. Tabdog, thanks for the comparison on the two. After talking with the kids about it again, it looks like I only need to get one Compadre. Can't wait to try one out myself. Told the oldest he could use my old Silver Sabre II but that didn't go over very well. Neither one of the likes it very well. So I broke down and told him he could use my DeLeon if he took care of it and learned to use it. That seems to have solved the problem for now. It will be a couple of months but really looking forward to getting the Compadre and trying it out when I can. Thanks again for the info.
R-n-R Magnolia SpringsAla
New member
Also yall quit telling everybody how good the tesoros are there won't be doodle left to find if everybody gets one!!!! 
Tesoro's only find pulltabs at a max depth of 2 inches!!!! lol. I'm still using units made in - 92 just cause they kick butt!!
Tesoro's only find pulltabs at a max depth of 2 inches!!!! lol. I'm still using units made in - 92 just cause they kick butt!!amcjavelin
Active member
you said you have a deleon? jim just currious how do you like that machine? hows that on depthand so on?
amcjavelin, hate to change the the content of the thread from compadre to deleon. But the deleon being a tid machine for me it has a larger learning curve. I am still learning it and get frustrated with it at times and go back to the SS 2. I need to slow down with it and not over analyze the info it's sending to the screen. I need to learn what sounds off in what particular number range and what not. Doesn't seem to get as deep as the SS 2 on small stuff but I don't like to dig very deep anyhow. I know I miss stuff but that's okay with me. It's a bit heavier than what I like and messes with my shoulder, arthritis. Was going to sell it and get a simpler lighter machine until the grandkid said he'd like to use it (he thinks it looks cool). So guess I'll hang onto it for him and when he's not using it I take it out some and slow down with it. So for now I guess I'm not crazy about it but just going to take some time. I know a couple fellows who have one and think it's a coin magnet. I do like the depth guage though. Not 100% on the money but pretty close.
"But tha Compadre can detect some small chains, and maybe a tad smaller piece of gold in the ground that the Silver will not get any depth on."
Can that be attributed, at least in part, to the slightly higher operating frequency of the Compadre, 12kHz vs. 10.6kHz for the Silver?
Relic
Can that be attributed, at least in part, to the slightly higher operating frequency of the Compadre, 12kHz vs. 10.6kHz for the Silver?
Relic
nick hunter
New member
Relic said:
It is the combination of both the slightly higher frequency AND a smaller search coil. It is very hard to admit, but for different reasons, smaller coils get more finds than larger ones. A 15" coil for instance does not go as deep as you might think on coins, and will have trouble to detect small gold chains.
Nick
You said:
Can that be attributed, at least in part, to the slightly higher operating
frequency of the Compadre, 12kHz vs. 10.6kHz for the Silver?
Like Nick said it is a combination of things.
But, tha frequency seems to not be tha predominant factor here.
Remember tha Eldorado operates at about 10 kHz and is more
sensative to small gold than either tha Compadre or tha Silver.
Now, tha difference in tha operating frequency of tha Vaquero
may help it get even better than tha Eldorado on small gold.
So, you see that while tha higher frequencies help, and are
needed for detecting small low conductors, the circutry can
have other things that effect it.
Tha Compadre has what Monte calls a true ED-180 discriminator
while tha Silver has an ED-120. That also has some effect in this
case.
Size of coil has some effect also.
But tha difference in tha ED-180 and tha ED-120 and some other
differences in circutry, keep tha Silver from ever acting quite like a
Compadre and visa versa.
They are different animals.
Happy Hunting,
Tabdog
Can that be attributed, at least in part, to the slightly higher operating
frequency of the Compadre, 12kHz vs. 10.6kHz for the Silver?
Like Nick said it is a combination of things.
But, tha frequency seems to not be tha predominant factor here.
Remember tha Eldorado operates at about 10 kHz and is more
sensative to small gold than either tha Compadre or tha Silver.
Now, tha difference in tha operating frequency of tha Vaquero
may help it get even better than tha Eldorado on small gold.
So, you see that while tha higher frequencies help, and are
needed for detecting small low conductors, the circutry can
have other things that effect it.
Tha Compadre has what Monte calls a true ED-180 discriminator
while tha Silver has an ED-120. That also has some effect in this
case.
Size of coil has some effect also.
But tha difference in tha ED-180 and tha ED-120 and some other
differences in circutry, keep tha Silver from ever acting quite like a
Compadre and visa versa.
They are different animals.
Happy Hunting,
Tabdog