EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
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Thanks IDXMonster .
Agreed Daddyflea.
Agreed Daddyflea.
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Very informative and great advice. I am not afraid to say I struggle. But I am finding older and better finds with each hunt. The discrimination is absolutely the best feature, and if your still getting pin ball sounds out of your machine choke it as I say. Since purchasing a Etrac I have taken the battery's out of my other detectors. They are stored in a proper environment. I settled the detector down in bad soil with a 6 inch round treasure seeker coil. Still getting good depth, but digging coins where I have hunted before. I still dont understand gain. But I am slowly tweaking the Etrac for my hunts. Great post, gonna be a good year.
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
Volume Gain is an amplification that allows you to hear the really, really deep targets.
A person that was a moderator of the Explorer forum that also tested all the coils for the Explorer did some testing with it and found that until he ran it at 29 or 30 maxed out there were some targets that he didn't hear a signal from and when he lowered it down he lost any signal from them at all.
I think factory is set at 26 on the E-Trac , it's like modulation spoken about on other detectors and the deep targets are lower sounding in volume.
I also found that the E makes a tunking sound when sweeping over really extremely deep targets like one time I saw the depth gauge just about buried and got that distinct sound and it was an Indian Head penny all of 10-11" deep I thought I was digging to China till I found that coin.
A person that was a moderator of the Explorer forum that also tested all the coils for the Explorer did some testing with it and found that until he ran it at 29 or 30 maxed out there were some targets that he didn't hear a signal from and when he lowered it down he lost any signal from them at all.
I think factory is set at 26 on the E-Trac , it's like modulation spoken about on other detectors and the deep targets are lower sounding in volume.
I also found that the E makes a tunking sound when sweeping over really extremely deep targets like one time I saw the depth gauge just about buried and got that distinct sound and it was an Indian Head penny all of 10-11" deep I thought I was digging to China till I found that coin.
IDXMonster
Well-known member
This is going to take a bit of typing,but....
As far as GAIN goes...the machine has a fixed transmit power. Depending on your coil size and type,it will also have a fixed field of detection. You cannot change that unless you change your coil. Smaller coil=smaller field,etc. All of the information available has been detected and sent back to the control unit before you have a say-so in anything. We as users are allowed to tweak the "post processing" of the information. Adjusting Sensitivity simply allows you to hear more or less of the targets that the machine already knows is in the detection field. You,as a user,are not "beaming a ray" into the ground and adjusting the strength or Sensitivity of that "ray". You,when using Sensitivit,and GAIN in particular,are simply instructing the machine to firstly TELL you about a target in the first place and secondly,asking the machine to make the target response louder or softer depending on its initial strength. When looking for DEEP targets....you need the maximum Sensitivity allowable by the site circumstances,no constant chattering and falsing. Sensitivity tells you about the target within the coils field in the first place,GAIN amplifies that target depending on its initial strength.
So...when using GAIN,it can be a bit tricky. Too much GAIN in an iron infested site will get you slot of iron falses. Those falses are always there,but now you have amplified them from the tiny signal they started out as. This is not good for a hunter after high Conductive coins. Using the Ferrous setting would be prudent in that site.
In a site that has minimal iron and not highly trashy,high GAIN will amplify those coin targets that are on the very edge of the detection field,making them audible to the user. A medium use of GAIN will mimick a sort of "modulated audio" where deep stuff sounds faint,medium stuff sounds medium and targets close to the coil sound loud.
This is why if a site isn't that trashy or problematic with EMI or mineralization(I call this the "unicorn site") a large coil is recommended for hunting deep coins. The detection field of the coil is that much bigger,and that,with correct use of Sensitivity and GAIN,can get you to coins too deep for other machine/coil combos.
As far as GAIN goes...the machine has a fixed transmit power. Depending on your coil size and type,it will also have a fixed field of detection. You cannot change that unless you change your coil. Smaller coil=smaller field,etc. All of the information available has been detected and sent back to the control unit before you have a say-so in anything. We as users are allowed to tweak the "post processing" of the information. Adjusting Sensitivity simply allows you to hear more or less of the targets that the machine already knows is in the detection field. You,as a user,are not "beaming a ray" into the ground and adjusting the strength or Sensitivity of that "ray". You,when using Sensitivit,and GAIN in particular,are simply instructing the machine to firstly TELL you about a target in the first place and secondly,asking the machine to make the target response louder or softer depending on its initial strength. When looking for DEEP targets....you need the maximum Sensitivity allowable by the site circumstances,no constant chattering and falsing. Sensitivity tells you about the target within the coils field in the first place,GAIN amplifies that target depending on its initial strength.
So...when using GAIN,it can be a bit tricky. Too much GAIN in an iron infested site will get you slot of iron falses. Those falses are always there,but now you have amplified them from the tiny signal they started out as. This is not good for a hunter after high Conductive coins. Using the Ferrous setting would be prudent in that site.
In a site that has minimal iron and not highly trashy,high GAIN will amplify those coin targets that are on the very edge of the detection field,making them audible to the user. A medium use of GAIN will mimick a sort of "modulated audio" where deep stuff sounds faint,medium stuff sounds medium and targets close to the coil sound loud.
This is why if a site isn't that trashy or problematic with EMI or mineralization(I call this the "unicorn site") a large coil is recommended for hunting deep coins. The detection field of the coil is that much bigger,and that,with correct use of Sensitivity and GAIN,can get you to coins too deep for other machine/coil combos.
skateteacher
Member
I also found that the E makes a tunking sound when sweeping over really extremely deep targets like one time I saw the depth gauge just about buried and got that distinct sound and it was an Indian Head penny all of 10-11" deep I thought I was digging to China till I found that coin.[/quote]
The "tunk" sound! As I was hunting today I was hearing that sound prior to hearing my signal and the whole time i was thinking how I could phrase it if I ever asked about it on the forum. I was running Auto+1 after backing off from +3. I'm going to try manual tomorrow for the first time and go back over where I hunted today. I got 2 wheats and 10 coppers out of a site that should produce silver. Wheats and coppers were 2-5 inches deep in range. The soil is rocky so I'm not sure how much that is affecting the fall rate or whether I had the etrac set up wrong. Thanks for putting a word to the "tunk" sound.
The "tunk" sound! As I was hunting today I was hearing that sound prior to hearing my signal and the whole time i was thinking how I could phrase it if I ever asked about it on the forum. I was running Auto+1 after backing off from +3. I'm going to try manual tomorrow for the first time and go back over where I hunted today. I got 2 wheats and 10 coppers out of a site that should produce silver. Wheats and coppers were 2-5 inches deep in range. The soil is rocky so I'm not sure how much that is affecting the fall rate or whether I had the etrac set up wrong. Thanks for putting a word to the "tunk" sound.
IDXMonster
Well-known member
Skate....it's been reported that a coin on edge or a coin next to ,or touching, iron might cause the thunk, as well as what's been mentioned. I personally dug a 43 Washington at 10" in sandy soil with my Explorer2 and stock 1050 coil. This was the first time I had encountered this sound....it was a very deep sounding high tone stuck in the middle of 2 thunk sounds,all happening very quickly. I'd have to say that more often than not,of all the "thunks" reported that wind up being coins,the most common cause is a very deep coin. Also remember...the coin doesn't have to be that deep if you have your Sensitivty turned way down. Really low sensitivity might only get the 5-6" coins with that scenario.
Gents...been away from my Etrac and this forum for the past 8 days//was in Vegas for the CONEX show....getting home just in time to see my fertile hunting spots get a foot of snow dumped on them in the next 24 hours UGH 
C'est la vie as the Frenchies would say.....cannot do anything about it i guess
but i wanted to take a brief moment to genuinely thank all of you fine folks who have taken your time to help a newbie through this rather trying at times indoctrination to Etrac and its potential powers
i am still fighting things...but reading lots and hopefully learning some along the way
i did get a COILTEK 6 inch sniper to help slay some of the trashy parks which initially aggravated the hell out of me...still might
and i got a GARRETT pro-pointer AT which is astounding!!
so i am ready and stoked to dive head long into this thing...weather notwithstanding
think i have a decent idea of how to navigate several common themes and geographies given all that you guys have imparted on me thus far....but a bit of illumination on the relative merits of recovery deep and recovery fast
i see they have them in EXPERT settings area(probably for a damn good reason!)
so that newbie knuckleheads like me will not mess with them....but i have actually seen from guys that appear to be quite well versed and competent....conflicting views on which should be on and off in certain scenarios
i am mostly in COINS mode and wonder if i need mess with these "expert" settings at all??....am i missing out by leaving them alone??....i have also wondered if i select the Minelab Modes//pre-programmed in stuff, are all their settings in across the board or should i go through all the menus and tweak the heck out of things??
and does the Etrac remember my alterations??....or is it constantly necessary to keep re-doing them which could become a bit of a pain in the rump.....as always, your feedback//thoughts/feelings are greatly appreciated and eagerly anticipated!!
C'est la vie as the Frenchies would say.....cannot do anything about it i guess
but i wanted to take a brief moment to genuinely thank all of you fine folks who have taken your time to help a newbie through this rather trying at times indoctrination to Etrac and its potential powers
i am still fighting things...but reading lots and hopefully learning some along the way
i did get a COILTEK 6 inch sniper to help slay some of the trashy parks which initially aggravated the hell out of me...still might
and i got a GARRETT pro-pointer AT which is astounding!!
so i am ready and stoked to dive head long into this thing...weather notwithstanding
think i have a decent idea of how to navigate several common themes and geographies given all that you guys have imparted on me thus far....but a bit of illumination on the relative merits of recovery deep and recovery fast
i see they have them in EXPERT settings area(probably for a damn good reason!)
so that newbie knuckleheads like me will not mess with them....but i have actually seen from guys that appear to be quite well versed and competent....conflicting views on which should be on and off in certain scenarios
i am mostly in COINS mode and wonder if i need mess with these "expert" settings at all??....am i missing out by leaving them alone??....i have also wondered if i select the Minelab Modes//pre-programmed in stuff, are all their settings in across the board or should i go through all the menus and tweak the heck out of things??
and does the Etrac remember my alterations??....or is it constantly necessary to keep re-doing them which could become a bit of a pain in the rump.....as always, your feedback//thoughts/feelings are greatly appreciated and eagerly anticipated!!
EtracTom-AdirondacksNY
New member
Fast turns off a filter and speeds up the reset of the machine but it slightly clips the sound but good to use in really trashy spots. Usually I just leave it turned on and run it all the time.
Deep on adds a filter and just is supposed to help smooth out the ID'ing of the deep targets but I haven't really experienced this so I never use this..
There is disc. patterns ready made and there is Modes. Once you pick a mode and a disc pattern and make your tweaks it will keep them when turned off and on every time till you change them. SO you could set up two or three different modes and use them all with a certain disc. pattern to see what works best for that area.
There is some blank spots in both locations the disc. slots and the modes slots for you to save these modes and disc. patterns you make.
Deep on adds a filter and just is supposed to help smooth out the ID'ing of the deep targets but I haven't really experienced this so I never use this..
There is disc. patterns ready made and there is Modes. Once you pick a mode and a disc pattern and make your tweaks it will keep them when turned off and on every time till you change them. SO you could set up two or three different modes and use them all with a certain disc. pattern to see what works best for that area.
There is some blank spots in both locations the disc. slots and the modes slots for you to save these modes and disc. patterns you make.