Help with where your Vaquero knocks out a nickel

[amberjack]

Carbola https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC0hwFLh93M

AJ

 

[walnut]

Yep tabs and can slaw are a battle we will never win outright, and people wonder why they don't find many nickles.. they are probably avoiding the trashiest but also the potentially richest part of the range. Ya gotta get in there and dig those tiresome middle signals.

I have been thinking alot about the nickles-gold-square tabs, and what I have found is, on both my vaq and compadre, they disc out 1/2 a notch above nickle. In real life of course that will vary some. The square tabs begin discing out just barely above where the nickles do.

I have gotten better at figuring it out, the square tabs tend to give that slightly rougher buzzing than the cleaner tick of a deep nickel. Even smaller aluminum seems to slightly overload the circuits. This weekend I found a bunch of nickels among the trash.

I have been curious to try a notching - tone detector, tried an F2 yesterday, and yes it is fun and it is a productive machine I can tell, it seemed to lack the refined precision of the Tesoros. And of course numbers still jump around so you are not really winning many points with the display over what i can with the single tone, it is still a matter of human judgement anyway. I'm sure it does a good job but I have more confidence in the Vaq and Compadre. The analog thoroughness is better. But I like the F2 and am glad to have it. I will get better at it I am sure.

I dug lots of nickels with the F2...even more with the F70 and it's sharper focus and the 3H and 4H tones that change nickels to high signals.
Also tabs come in all over the place for me, both kinds, it all depends on the different parks I hunt.
I have also dug lots of solid behaving can slaw with both in the nickel and tab area and gold in both areas also.
Same on my Tesoros.
This would be a much easier hobby for me if I could just get my X Ray vision superpower working but so far no luck.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Thanks for all the suggestions gents.

But I must reiterate, the question I'm asking and answers I'm looking for is WHERE YOUR Vaquero loses a nickel.

I have two Vaqueros.

How would you like me to run the test? Air soil? How deep? Which coil?

Air or soil or both. Just curious. Mine seem to be set weird and not sure how to set it "normal" if there is such a thing.
I guess I'd like to try and get both set as close to factory so others posts will be relevant to my machines and also, even though they aren't the same, have my Vaquero and modded Cibola more similar if possible.
Whoever had these machines before changed a lot. Part of the reason I modded the Cibola was the internal GB was out of whack and figure instead of going through setting it I'd mod it.

But any and all test are appreciated. Also curious if your vaqs are different from each other like my Cibola and Vaquero are.

I don't care where I end up as far as whether setting benchmark to zinc or to nickel. Just want it as close to factory and everyone else's so when I read posts about where certain things disc out, it's relevant to my machine.

To be honest it may come up with multiple input that no 2 are the same because of the nature of analog components, slight variances in coils, etc.

Didn't mean to turn this into a big thing.
I just though Vaquero /Cibola owners would just post where nickels fall out.

Turned into a lot more than I thought. Haha
Thus is the nature of the hobby I guess.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Yep tabs and can slaw are a battle we will never win outright, and people wonder why they don't find many nickles.. they are probably avoiding the trashiest but also the potentially richest part of the range. Ya gotta get in there and dig those tiresome middle signals.

I have been thinking alot about the nickles-gold-square tabs, and what I have found is, on both my vaq and compadre, they disc out 1/2 a notch above nickle. In real life of course that will vary some. The square tabs begin discing out just barely above where the nickles do.

I have gotten better at figuring it out, the square tabs tend to give that slightly rougher buzzing than the cleaner tick of a deep nickel. Even smaller aluminum seems to slightly overload the circuits. This weekend I found a bunch of nickels among the trash.

I have been curious to try a notching - tone detector, tried an F2 yesterday, and yes it is fun and it is a productive machine I can tell, it seemed to lack the refined precision of the Tesoros. And of course numbers still jump around so you are not really winning many points with the display over what i can with the single tone, it is still a matter of human judgement anyway. I'm sure it does a good job but I have more confidence in the Vaq and Compadre. The analog thoroughness is better. But I like the F2 and am glad to have it. I will get better at it I am sure.

I dug lots of nickels with the F2...even more with the F70 and it's sharper focus and the 3H and 4H tones that change nickels to high signals.
Also tabs come in all over the place for me, both kinds, it all depends on the different parks I hunt.
I have also dug lots of solid behaving can slaw with both in the nickel and tab area and gold in both areas also.
Same on my Tesoros.
This would be a much easier hobby for me if I could just get my X Ray vision superpower working but so far no luck.

I agree and accept the issue with trash.
If it were that easy, nine of us would have anything left to find. Also part of the fun!!

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

that would be a fun video car knocks out nickel with a single blow

I have 5, 10, 20 & 50 cent coins all fall below zinc best bet is just dig it all or just memorize where it drops out in other words I don't know

but I had a giggle not at you but modern tech.

AJ

I finally understand what you were asking about car. I typed vaq and it chamged to car. Haha

 

[amberjack]

there are only 2 disc settings zinc and up and zinc and down everything else is a waste of time for me.

dig silver or dig gold take your pick.

AJ

 

[amberjack]

that would be a fun video car knocks out nickel with a single blow

I have 5, 10, 20 & 50 cent coins all fall below zinc best bet is just dig it all or just memorize where it drops out in other words I don't know

but I had a giggle not at you but modern tech.

AJ

I finally understand what you were asking about car. I typed vaq and it chamged to car. Haha

ok kool now I know.

AJ

 

[walnut]

I have learned that metal detectorists can be the most contrary and grumpy type of people haha Me too

 

[amberjack]

crack me up I was just thinking juggling cats is easier than getting 2 detectorists to agree on something

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Haha seems true.

Mind you I asked no opinions here.
I only asked for factual results of where people's Vaquero or Cibola I guess, disc out nickels.

This thread is what happened.
Didn't need opinions on hunting technique, where to hunt or how to set my disc.... just where people'svaqueros lose a nickel...
Sometimes it's like asking a genie for a wish. You must be very very specific or what you get isn't what you ask for.
Haha

I joke but it's funny what a simple question turned into.

Out of all the posts, only one person gave a general area of where nickels disc out. 1 person lol.
Gotta love this hobby.

 

[amberjack]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUOqTIaau3o

AJ

 

[amberjack]

if you don't like that one try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y14Kp1DitpE

AJ

 

[pinenut]

...Didn't need opinions on hunting technique, where to hunt or how to set my disc.... just where people'svaqueros lose a nickel... .

My input... My Vaqueros both usually drop nickels out right between nickel and tab, (most of the time)... Sometimes closer to nickel. That's with using the 5.75 widescan, sensitivity right at 10, and ground balanced slightly negative in all-metal. Haven't tested on nickels with any other coils. The Eldorado that I use has a 5.75 concentric on it, and drops nickels out just after the nickel setting (sens at 7, ground balanced neutral).

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

...Didn't need opinions on hunting technique, where to hunt or how to set my disc.... just where people'svaqueros lose a nickel... .

My input... My Vaqueros both usually drop nickels out right between nickel and tab, (most of the time)... Sometimes closer to nickel. That's with using the 5.75 widescan, sensitivity right at 10, and ground balanced slightly negative in all-metal. Haven't tested on nickels with any other coils. The Eldorado that I use has a 5.75 concentric on it, and drops nickels out just after the nickel setting (sens at 7, ground balanced neutral).

Awesome thanks. Compared to yours, mine is different but ill have to see again when I get home. Smal variance between different years of nickels. Older=higher to fall out. Been doing a lot of bench testing on all my tesoros.
Thank you again for the input. I'm hoping to see a pattern of everyone else's and then take an average and set it there.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

My epsilon machines seem to be more stable as far as their disc circuits comparing to each other and as far as where coins fall opposed to the word on the knob scale.
Still figuring these HOT machines out.
But it is fun!!!

 

[steve1357]

Grabbed my brand new Vaquero with 11x8 RSD.

Nickels dop out around the 5c mark. Starts dropping weak nickels a hair under, stronger nickel signals a hair above it on an air test.

I'd say if I set it at a nickel it would be erratic.

 

[Tinfoil]

First off nickels are a little different. You got the corroded buffs they read lower then a modern nickel,, corroded war nickels ,some read higher then a nickel some read lower then a nickel depends on how bad the dirt is and how corroded the silver nickel is.. Next a regular nickel will read in the middle. Next get a corroded buff that has been in the dirt. Set the dis. to beep ont the corroded buff. War nickels read form Tinfoil to above round pull tab. Nickels read in the middle, buffs read lower then regular nickels. That is the way they read down here. in SW Louisiana. Naturally now if your dirt is not as corrosive as mine is they will read higher. When you set your machine with the Buff. set it about 6"s out from the bottom of the coil. Do not set the dis. close to the coil when you pass the buff under your coil. Nickels are something to dig. Since they are all over the place if you are finding different types of nickels you are in the gold ring range. There is a whole lot more to it them then this. Listen for the smooth target signals. I am a gold/ ring hunter. That is what I practice on, digging nickels. I know it seems like the guys did not answer your question but it is not a simple one to answer. There is a lot to nickel hunting but the rewards are more so naturally they are going to be harder to find. I will say this if you are not digging the different type of nickels you can forget about gold rings and small gold trinkets. To be short and sweet set it at Tinfoil and dig the smooth targets. Like I said there is more to nickel hunting then you would think. Now it is up to you to do the rest. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Tinfoil]

Take a buff, a war nickel and a regular nickel. Make a mark where they get Dis. out. Back off till you get the target. Try that. They will be in different places on the dis knob. Ok I am done. Reiver gave you a good answer also. I did not read all the posts as I saw some of your frustration with some of the answers. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Thanks Jerry.
Not sure what exactly a buff is unless it's a buffalo nickel.
I haven't found any type of old coins besides some wheats and 1 64 half dollar. But man that's a heck of a goal!!!
I guess my question was flawed because even in my tests today modern nickels register a little different than each other, so in the ground will be even more different.

I'm getting the jist here that it's kind of pointless to set my disc in the air to nickels because first, they register different by the years and second, coins in the ground aren't the same as coins in the air.
I feel kind of stupid asking, but then again knowledge is power....
But in our hobby experience is more power.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Take a buff, a war nickel and a regular nickel. Make a mark where they get Dis. out. Back off till you get the target. Try that. They will be in different places on the dis knob. Ok I am done. Reiver gave you a good answer also. I did not read all the posts as I saw some of your frustration with some of the answers. HH Jerry aka Tinfoil

I will have to go buy those nickels. I don't have any. Or gold lol. Hopefully I can change that by hunting.... haha