Help with where your Vaquero knocks out a nickel

[Stoof-tabsallday]

So I as watching a video with 53silver and his car knocks out a nickel just above the 5c line. Mine is more like just above the unlabeled foil line below. In the end doesn't really matter, but I'd prefer to get mine as close to where they actually come stock as possible so that things I find and read about where they fall out like gold will be more accurate. It's a simple adjustment of the knob.
Just wondering where yours fall.
Also want to sync my Cibola the same way.
Thanks

 

[amberjack]

that would be a fun video car knocks out nickel with a single blow

I have 5, 10, 20 & 50 cent coins all fall below zinc best bet is just dig it all or just memorize where it drops out in other words I don't know

but I had a giggle not at you but modern tech.

AJ

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

that would be a fun video car knocks out nickel with a single blow

I have 5, 10, 20 & 50 cent coins all fall below zinc best bet is just dig it all or just memorize where it drops out in other words I don't know

but I had a giggle not at you but modern tech.

AJ

I understand the dig all approach AJ and to a point I do. But I also have found a lot of good information where certain size gold falls and stuff.
My point is that both my car and Cibola had owners that messed with the knob locations and wanted to know where other's stock machines have a nickel fall out.
That's my benchmark on my detectors.
If no answers I'll just set my knobs to knock out a nickel at the 5c line and relearn from there. But I've seen conflicting answers on what's normal from factory.
I have some great pics where a gent here I think tested a bunch of different size and karat jewelry with his car and his compadre and in order to understand what I read with what I'm finding out there I just wanted to know where everyone's vaq/cib knock out a nickel.
In the end, I'll still have to dig tab area signals and foil area signals, but in order for the other info and stuff posted here and elsewhere about the disc circuit on these, I want to start by making sure my knobs on them are set properly.
It will help streamlining my learning of these awesome machines.

 

[amberjack]

I agree need to know where the disc knob is and I would do that just set 5 cents at 5 cents.

if you work out where the gold is other than between iron and zinc sure you will get a captive ordinance.

what is a car ?? what detector is that?

AJ

 

[WV62]

Just take the disc knob off the shaft turn the shaft to where it knocks out nickels and then without turning the shaft put the knob back on the shaft with the pointer aimed to 5c and lock the knob back on the shaft.

I am sure the factory installed knobs are not set perfect to line up on a letter or number.

Ron in WV

 

[Walknstik]

I think "straight from the factory" you can compare same models against each other and it would be normal to see small variances where items discriminate out. Each unit in a sense could have it's own slightly different settings which is OK as long as it's still in the ballpark

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Just take the disc knob off the shaft turn the shaft to where it knocks out nickels and then without turning the shaft put the knob back on the shaft with the pointer aimed to 5c and lock the knob back on the shaft.

I am sure the factory installed knobs are not set perfect to line up on a letter or number.

Ron in WV

That's definitely the plan.
Just want to see where everyone else's are set. That way if there's a general area where a nickel falls on most, I can set mine there so that I'm closer to the info written about others' detectors.

I still have never found any gold with any of my Tesoros. In time I'm sure I will.
Looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do with the knob. But it throws zinc way off.

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

I think "straight from the factory" you can compare same models against each other and it would be normal to see small variances where items discriminate out. Each unit in a sense could have it's own slightly different settings which is OK as long as it's still in the ballpark

Exactly. What I'm trying to find out. Where the ballpark is haha

 

[BarryL]

Just take the disc knob off the shaft turn the shaft to where it knocks out nickels and then without turning the shaft put the knob back on the shaft with the pointer aimed to 5c and lock the knob back on the shaft.

I am sure the factory installed knobs are not set perfect to line up on a letter or number.

Ron in WV

That's definitely the plan.
Just want to see where everyone else's are set. That way if there's a general area where a nickel falls on most, I can set mine there so that I'm closer to the info written about others' detectors.

I still have never found any gold with any of my Tesoros. In time I'm sure I will.
Looks like that's what I'm gonna have to do with the knob. But it throws zinc way off.

you could also instead of re positioning knob just find out where it knocks out the Nichols and then take a small black marker and make a mark at that location I have seen others do that

 

[Stoof-tabsallday]

Thanks for all the suggestions gents.

But I must reiterate, the question I'm asking and answers I'm looking for is WHERE YOUR Vaquero loses a nickel.

 

[REVIER]

I have found tons of nickels, some right on the nickel mark, several above and a whole lot below...they are always around the nickel mark but I have never seen a common and specific spot I could zero in on and trust...never.
This is on both my Compadre and especially my Vaq and I have always been a gold hunter so for years I have dug most signals, all solid signals for sure, around that nickel mark plus above and below.
As far as digging solid signals I have also dug a ton of nickels that weren't, not just deep ones either but shallow.
Because of this there is a possibility that I might have noticed how weird nickels actually are a little more compared to others that dig only the dead on nickel signals they get at factory settings or after resetting and calibrating that knob using a known nickel.
To me thinking calibrating to a nickel would be like using a gold nickel area ring to set that knob on the dead on 5 cent mark and then expecting all nickel area gold to hit there every time which we all know is not going to happen.
I think the nickel is the "iffiest" coin out of all of them in my experience so it never made sense to me to calibrate to that coin even though so many do.
What I do want is mine to calibrate to the most common coin I come across which is a zincoln and both of mine are set to disc these out, or come in the way I do it by thumbing past the fade out point and then back down, to the 3:00 position which mine both do 98.9% of the time on the good condition ones that aren't eaten up.
I don't just like it this way I demand it because I have gotten so used to the precision of this coin on my 7" coil Compadre and the sniper and standard concentric coils on my Vaq.
I might mention that big gold class rings can come in at that same 3:00 area also, two that I have found did exactly that anyway, but in the case of large gold like this anywhere around the zinc mark there is a totally different tone than a normal zincoln...a sound I listen for on every hunt and on every zinc area signal as rare as it is.
The 12X10 DD coil on the Vaq is a bit more sloppy in this zinc area stuff, as was an 8" coil Compadre I had a chance to try out a few summers ago for a couple of weeks.
Not a deal breaker and I wouldn't turn my nose up or not order an 8" coil version of the Compadre because my 7" coil version or the smaller coils on the Vaq seem to be a tiny bit sharper but you get used to things after using them for hundreds of hours and I prefer units that do it this way.

On nickels I see no way to set the disc knob anywhere and really trust it, do it and expect all nickels will hit there or on any one point every time no matter where you end up setting it is a fantasy in my opinion...but that is me.

 

[steve1357]

Stop it! Stop it already!

The Cibola aint a Compadre.

They're analog machines, Id bet no two Cibolas are the same. I'd also bet if you air test a nickel and then test a nickel you buried, you're get two different settings on your dial. I'd bet the nickel setting on your dial will change day to day based on the stars. I have a buried nickel in the garden. It changes where it discriminates out on the knob based on the angle I sweep it and how high off the ground and the moisture in the ground.

I'll give you some free advice this morning based on my observations and history. Sell all of your Tesoros and get you the latest F75 LTD DST Boost whizbang. I have one, you'll love it! It'll identify a nickel, tell you where it is, and exactly how deep it is. You'll enjoy many many hours playing with it without never going outside. It's even has a mode for when the grass is a foot deep and not lose any depth in the soil! No motion pinpointing and all metal, several all metal modes with tones, you can even adjust the pitch of the tones. You can set it up to imitate a Tesoro except it weighs the same as two Tesoros...

And you can go hound the Fisher boys on their thread and give us a break.

Just kidding old buddy! Have fun. Have to get to work.

Good morning.

 

[amberjack]

geese I am still miles behind I want to know what detector a car is ??

AJ

 

[REVIER]

Stop it! Stop it already!

The Cibola aint a Compadre.

They're analog machines, Id bet no two Cibolas are the same. I'd also bet if you air test a nickel and then test a nickel you buried, you're get two different settings on your dial. I'd bet the nickel setting on your dial will change day to day based on the stars. I have a buried nickel in the garden. It changes where it discriminates out on the knob based on the angle I sweep it and how high off the ground and the moisture in the ground.

I'll give you some free advice this morning based on my observations and history. Sell all of your Tesoros and get you the latest F75 LTD DST Boost whizbang. I have one, you'll love it! It'll identify a nickel, tell you where it is, and exactly how deep it is. You'll enjoy many many hours playing with it without never going outside. It's even has a mode for when the grass is a foot deep and not lose any depth in the soil! No motion pinpointing and all metal, several all metal modes with tones, you can even adjust the pitch of the tones. You can set it up to imitate a Tesoro except it weighs the same as two Tesoros...

And you can go hound the Fisher boys on their thread and give us a break.

Just kidding old buddy! Have fun. Have to get to work.

Good morning.

I know this statement was tounge in cheek but again in my experience using both my Fishers for way over 1000 hours total, an F2 for close to a 1000 and an F70 for many hundreds and experience digging a whole lot of nickels, a nickel is not much more accurate on these than on my Tesoros.
Sure, many hit dead on common nickel numbers but I have also dug them above and many more below...a lot of them.
To me out of all the coins a nickel is just the weirdest...again my experience only.

 

[amberjack]

so its a carmpadre a vacaro a carbola decarlo what

stop ya bloody fishering and tell me what detector a car is please.

AJ

 

[walnut]

I have been thinking alot about the nickles-gold-square tabs, and what I have found is, on both my vaq and compadre, they disc out 1/2 a notch above nickle. In real life of course that will vary some. The square tabs begin discing out just barely above where the nickles do.

I have gotten better at figuring it out, the square tabs tend to give that slightly rougher buzzing than the cleaner tick of a deep nickel. Even smaller aluminum seems to slightly overload the circuits. This weekend I found a bunch of nickels among the trash.

I have been curious to try a notching - tone detector, tried an F2 yesterday, and yes it is fun and it is a productive machine I can tell, it seemed to lack the refined precision of the Tesoros. And of course numbers still jump around so you are not really winning many points with the display over what i can with the single tone, it is still a matter of human judgement anyway. I'm sure it does a good job but I have more confidence in the Vaq and Compadre. The analog thoroughness is better. But I like the F2 and am glad to have it. I will get better at it I am sure.

 

[REVIER]

so its a carmpadre a vacaro a carbola decarlo what

stop ya bloody fishering and tell me what detector a car is please.

AJ

Could be a Dodge Swinger.
More likely a Daihatsu Charade because when any detector hits on a nickel there is a pretty decent chance it is only a guess or pretending.

 

[Mega]

I use the smallest amount of discrimination as possible,if you start knocking certain targets out then you can also start knocking out decent targets as well.One classic example is that if i knock out say foil,which i am aware is not a desirable target then i stand also too knock out almost all our silver hammered coins as well and that would not make any sense what so ever.

Of course what each individual person does is upto them,but for me personally if it gives a good signal above iron then it has too come out,if every man made metal object was 100% pure in say copper,silver,gold and about every other metal object produced then it would be alot easier task to achieve,but with additional additives this is nearly impossible.

Some locations can be more of a problem than others,you are going to find alot more un-desirable targets in say a park with contamination from modern mans activity such as ring pulls from parties in parks and on the beach etc,must admit the permissions that i detect on i cannot recall the last time i found a ring pull or bottle cap,but yes i do get some foil but i have no option but dig them,other wise i will loose out on my ability to find my main targets silver hammered coins.

I guess thats the advantage of using a screen based detector as you can set more precisely the targets that you are aiming to eliminate every time,rather than the not so accurate settings of using a dial and setting the dial to 'i' in iron,although this method usually works pretty good,the problem is that the build tolerance can vary slightly from one machine from another one,although they may have come down the production line together.Hence this is why some machine can be 'hotter' than others,but they are still within the companies build tolerances for that particular model of detector.

For me everything has to come out,a metal detector is after all designed to locate metal,i dont want the problem of thinking was a life changing target that i have left in the ground.This is of course just my personal opinion.

 

[steve1357]

Thanks for all the suggestions gents.

But I must reiterate, the question I'm asking and answers I'm looking for is WHERE YOUR Vaquero loses a nickel.

I have two Vaqueros.

How would you like me to run the test? Air soil? How deep? Which coil?

 

[REVIER]

I have been thinking alot about the nickles-gold-square tabs, and what I have found is, on both my vaq and compadre, they disc out 1/2 a notch above nickle. In real life of course that will vary some. The square tabs begin discing out just barely above where the nickles do.

I have gotten better at figuring it out, the square tabs tend to give that slightly rougher buzzing than the cleaner tick of a deep nickel. Even smaller aluminum seems to slightly overload the circuits. This weekend I found a bunch of nickels among the trash.

I have been curious to try a notching - tone detector, tried an F2 yesterday, and yes it is fun and it is a productive machine I can tell, it seemed to lack the refined precision of the Tesoros. And of course numbers still jump around so you are not really winning many points with the display over what i can with the single tone, it is still a matter of human judgement anyway. I'm sure it does a good job but I have more confidence in the Vaq and Compadre. The analog thoroughness is better. But I like the F2 and am glad to have it. I will get better at it I am sure.

I dug lots of nickels with the F2...even more with the F70 and it's sharper focus and the 3H and 4H tones that change nickels to high signals.
Also tabs come in all over the place for me, both kinds, it all depends on the different parks I hunt.
I have also dug lots of solid behaving can slaw with both in the nickel and tab area and gold in both areas also.
Same on my Tesoros.
This would be a much easier hobby for me if I could just get my X Ray vision superpower working but so far no luck.