Hello White's Electronics........

[Daniel Tn]

Where you been Andy? Never got a reply from you on the TD forum in your T2 thread

Have you considered the DFX as suggested below or are you looking for more of a knob adjustable machine? I can understand it's all in preference but I feel the DFX does give a person more adjustability to handle given situations. You can set it to behave similar to an MXT but more versitle at the same time.

For example...I had an MXT and did get an M6 for a while. The Auto Track feature is either turned on, off, or locked on both the M6 and MXT. For many people that is fine and it works great. In my area the auto tracking by factory default, was too slow. It did not keep up with our ground here. You could pump the coil here and get the detector to be GBed for that exact spot, then walk a few yards and the machine get erratic; go into the all metal mode and it would be negative until you pumped the coil several times to let it "catch up". By default, the DFX's tracking program is the same in the factory presets. I was able to edit that and speed it up and adjust the off set to track 1 point positive. Sure...it's complicated for some folks but for the ultimate in versitility from Whites, I believe it's the best they offer right now. And it comes in the dual frequency...so you can hunt like that or select the individual 3khz or 15 khz modes. And it comes with the style grip you like. I really didn't care for the MXT or M6 but I am really taking a liking to the DFX.

 

[Daniel Tn]

I have some pretty rough ground here too. I got the DFX down to one site in particular that is REALLY bad. It has more of a problem with the high iron content than it does the hot rocks. I relic hunt most often so what I've found with alot of machines is that they will reject the goodies in the ground beyond a certain depth. That would be great if the depth was okay but unfortunatly I'm talking 4-6 inches is about tops with most machines here. Some wont do that. Only a VERY few have been able to break that barrier. The MXT wasn't one of them here. Nope. I know for a fact it read civil war bullets as iron around here.

The DFX read the ground as a -93 DC Phase...it's really not that bad in number but that's still pretty hot. I did not do Jeff Foster's other method for telling how bad the ground is but just keep in mind what you said about the fast tracking on the MXT.

True...some knob machines may have all the adjustments you want to make in a machine. But take your auto track for example. For most people it may be fine. Heck...alot of people can find that a preset ground balance works fine. With the MXT you just had...ON/OFF/LOCK. Whatever preset speed it is set at is all it can do. If it works good for you...you have nothing to worry about. Here it could not keep up with the changing ground. The M6 was the same way. You would literally have to pump the coil ever so many feet/yards to get it re-set. And when you would get it reset, it would be off again just a few feet later. Even a manual GB machine will drive you crazy keeping on top of it; unless you set it really positive.

I'll be honest man. I don't like the menu scrolling on the DFX either. But where it excels over the MXT is the ability to adjust all those internal settings of the MXT that you have no control over. I can take that auto track...speed it up to where it stays on top of the changing conditions and I can even set it to where it tracks positive, the same way we do with the manual GB knob machines. So I had to weigh out the what I liked and didn't like. To me...having a machine that I can set for my area is better than buying one preloaded from the factory and making due with it. I've had mine less than a month and I already have programs saved that deal specifically with the areas I hunt. All I gotta do is load one of them and adjust the sensitivity to where it's stable for that particular area and I'm digging. Ain't gotta stand there and scroll and make adjustments to everything everytime I hunt. I can be off and hunting as quick as somebody with a knob machine.

 

[Anonymous]

Well...after my "one hour T2 field test" i wanted to give my "fans" over there some time to cool down. One of the hardest critics about my T2 impressions just sold his T2.....makes me wonder if i was right on with my impression. Have seem many experienced hunters sell that detector after a short time.
But i don't want to start that subject here again. If someone thinks the T2 is the best thing in the world i am happy for him.
Did i miss something important you posted ? I didn't follow all replies to the end because some left the subject of my post pretty early and took what i wrote too personal.
Back to the DFX . I think maybe i should get one and learn it since Dave Z posts some good info here. I would need a program for the 4x6 DD coil since it did great on the MXT/M6 around old houses on coins. Need a detector that works good on the beach too since i fly to Germany two times a year and do beach detecting with my daughter at the north sea.
If someone has a nice DFX for sale email me.

HH,
Andy

 

[willy]

Over here the ground averages around 86 on the MXT and higher in some places. So far it handles everything but the hotrocks with aplomb. It doesn't hurt that I use DD coils almost exclusively. Where the MXT really shines is when I'm prospecting. There I've got it running in maximum gain and, quite often, maximum Hypersat. This is all metal hunting at it's best. With this setup I'm pulling out nuggets (if you have a magnifying glass they look like 'em) down to 1/3 of a grain (1/1440 Oz). Any smaller and it's more like a crackle. Running this kind of sensitivity/boost, in hot ground, is something the MXT can do and have yet to try another out that can do so without going haywire. All this without playing around with a load of settings. Then again, that is what the MXT is really optimised for..prospecting. I've done some searching and found a few reports from people who have both detectors and compared them for prospecting purposes. The result? ..MXT the hands down winner. It's strange that you found the tracking to be slow insofar as, like the GMT I had, the MXT "jumps" into and balances to the ground almost instantaneously. The tracking performance of both should match, under most conditions, since they are basically the same machine, electronics wise. I've never had to pump the coil with either he MXT or GMT, just turn it on and start swinging. ..Willy.

 

[willy]

Sometimes I wish I was someone else.. maybe one of the idle rich. Tack the monicker "playboy" to that and I'd be happier than a pig in... yup, one happy pig. ..Willy.

 

[Daniel Tn]

I've only been in one place here that had hot rocks. They are really neat looking when you clean them up; look like a lava rock or something and are super light weight. They read as low foil on most detectors.

The rest of our dirt is just really iron rich. The MXT and M6...when you would go into AllMetal pin point where you have the threshold...would be off when you pumped the coil over the ground when it started to get erratic. I've hunted with manual GB machines for a while now so I know when it starts getting chattery to check the GB because atleast for here, it means it has gone negative. I noticed the same thing with the MXT and M6 here...they would start getting erratic and when you would check the setting it would be negative til you pumped the coil a few times to get it to catch up. In all fairness...I never ran the MXT in Prospecting mode though. I didn't like the Mixed Mode audio of the Relic mode so I mostly hunted it in the coin mode with the disc turned WAY down.

 

[Daniel Tn]

Just got it in the mail today. Haven't even put it on the detector yet. I heard alot of good things about it so it was my first accessory coil for the DFX. Looks TINY...I'm going to have trouble hunting with something that small but it will force me to slow way down and overlap all my swings for sure.

The DFX ain't for everybody. The biggest complaint I hear about it VS the XLT is that the XLT is more stable in its number locking. I like the DFX method better; seems like it does some varying numbers some times but it tells alot of target info that way. The big problem with the DFX is that it uses the standard Whites VDI scale for the 6 khz machines; like the XLT. It is trying to put the targets read by the 3khz and 15khz (in either single or dual mode) into the 6 khz scale. I've found a better way to do that. Turn the VDI Normalizing mode off. And run in the single frequency modes. Let the DC Phase tell you which mode to pick. Under -80...go with 15khz. Above it for bad ground...go with the 3khz. Then just do totally away with the scale on the box and make your own. It seems to be alot more stable that way vs the normalizing on. Or atleast I've found it to be.

 

[thompy]

the mineralized soils compared to the mxt? last year i had the quantum xt, sold it wanted something more sensitive to gold, well couldn't afford the t-2 so bought a qxt, they get pretty good depth, wish there was a manually controlled g-b and vdi. still have some learning learning on these to do. talked my father into the mxt, how do the com pair? live in upper Michigan. old silver & gold mines, black sand not to mention iron ore. any tips thank thompy

 

[willy]

The MXT tracks much faster and is quieter.. in all-metal. The disc. mode is where the QXT excells over the MXT. Being able to turn on/off the noise reduction and the true mixed mode is really nice. With both the SAT & ground tracking speeds max'ed it is still considerably slower to adjust to ground conditions than the MXT. The MXT also

 

[willy]

The MXT tracks much faster and is quieter.. in all-metal. The disc. mode is where the QXT excells over the MXT. Being able to turn on/off the noise reduction and the true mixed mode is really nice. With both the SAT & ground tracking speeds max'ed it is still considerably slower to adjust to ground conditions than the MXT. The MXT also recovers faster after tracking on iron or a hotrock. Once you get used to using it the "chattiness" is really not a problem. One thing I did with the MXT is get a DD coil. Makes it run smooth as silk in bad ground. If you're going to look for gold, it's the MXT hands-down. The QXT is deep & surprisingly sensitive, I'd prospect with it if it were my only detector, but won't be near the nuggethunter the MXT is. The MXT is also quicker to make on-the-fly adjustments, like turning the G-track on and off. ..Willy.

 

[thompy]

yeah i always hunt with noise reduction off,the noise never bothered me none.looking to get the 4x6dd for the qxt.getting the hot rock signals on this unit drives me nuts. thanks again Willy. thompy

 

[crazyman]

You shouldn't be getting hits on hotrocks unless you have Zone 8 accepted. When zone 8 is rejected it shouldn't beep at all on the rocks. Zone 8 would be similar to the +95 setting on the Whites XLT or the hotrock accept/reject feature on the Whites 6000/XL Pro.

 

[willy]

Depends on the hotrock. I've got one here that hits on nickel. A smaller chunk of the same rock reads as a hotrock. Up 'round the Granite Creek area I've hit hotrocks the size of a VW van.. totally overloads a VLF. ..Willy.

 

[thompy]

thanks crazyman and willy i do accept all zones, just set high or low tone for accept or reject. and dig the first few to be sure, but it drives me nuts thinking it could be something good that im missing

 

[crazyman]

Thompy, your right as opening up all the zones is the best way to set up the detector for maximum depth in cleaner areas. One caution though when using tone ID. The detector will audibly detect objects deeper than the meter and high tone ID setting can identify. In my mineralized ground most deep coins past 6 inches will hit with a low tone when using tone ID. When using tone ID repeatable weak or soft low tones can be deep coins and the depth along with sizing the target in pinpoint can help identify them. These detectors do go deep.