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Hate the Pin pointing with the Nox
- Thread starter Digger 45
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Charles (Upstate NY)
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BigTony said:
Coins on edge produced FULL loud tone correct TID correct repeatable tones at 6-8 inches for say a silver dime, not bouncing, I was stunned. That's in Park 2, Sens 22, Recovery Speed 3, 50 tones. Park 1 a very different story. They act weird as you sweep them because they are straight up on edge and shooting their signal out sideways but SOLID. Man at those depths, an on edge coin I was completely impressed.
Park 1 for both flat and on edge coins the TID quickly starts to bounce around and gets worse the deeper I tested, bounced even more wildly, and the tones are bouncing around with it. More Park 1 testing is needed. Field 1 exhibited the same unstable TID.
MAX DEPTH - I have not completed comprehensive max testing, but did test a few targets for max depth. Again I was STUNNED, total SHOCKED FACED at the depth. My test fixture allowed testing to 12 inches, most all the targets blew past 12 inches SHOCKED FACE. Again this was in Park 2. I was still getting a diggable signal on a seated 1/2 dime at 11 inches. SHOCKED FACE After a few of these incredible depth tests I just gave up thinking I'll have to come back later with a deeper testing fixture.
But for max depth this is what I saw in Park 2 for a silver dime. Up to 8 or more inches solid repeatable TID of 25. Deeper still what happened is the TID just lowered 1 point to 24, did not bounce, it was a steady 24. Even deeper the TID lowered another point to 23 but again a stead 23 not bouncing. Eventually I reached a depth where the machine could not produce a TID. But dang if it wasn't still giving me a diggable high tone SHOCKED FACE. So once the TID gives up on a super deep target, there is even more depth to be had by tone alone. Minelabs claim of more accurate TID at deeper depths, at least in Park 2, in AIR TESTS I think they understated. I have done a bunch of air testing on Explorers, in their dreams they could not match the Equinox.
The coil is so sensitive around the outside edge that with most targets under about 4 inches you get a double or triple tone as you pass the coil over , outer edge/center/outer edge.. That also translates the pinpoint function picking up the target at the edge...or front/back....kinda locks on to it right there when it gives you the impression its in the center. Either that or its locking on to a different target a few inches away , probably shallower , but its not the one you are interested in. It drove me nuts until I figured out what was going on , still does but I am getting better at identifying when that happens. If you are not using 50 tones , switch to it and run the coil over slowly from different angles....listening to the tone changes. You can usually make out that its trying to pinpoint something other than the target you were interested in , probably because that target entered the detection field first or is much shallower. The pinpoint feature prefers that target for some reason and the good one you were interested in may go silent.
I believe this is also the main reason target ID and depth reading is often way off. That large sensitive coil is often picking up and averaging in more than just the one target with the outer edges of the coil being that sensitive. Its not something you notice so much in less trashy ground but if its target dense you can see it a lot.
I believe this is also the main reason target ID and depth reading is often way off. That large sensitive coil is often picking up and averaging in more than just the one target with the outer edges of the coil being that sensitive. Its not something you notice so much in less trashy ground but if its target dense you can see it a lot.
I find it very easy to pin point with it. I tend to use short left-right sweeps, then go 90 degrees and do it again as, to me, the target tends to be further back in the coil just at center or an inch behind center for me. Doing a 90 in the water for every target might get old. And yes, chasing some tiny bit of metal is a pain! I would think that in a water hunt the toe of the coil would be what I would use to get an idea of where, then put the scoop edge right there. Heading to the beach for a week on the 26th and will try it. Have got maybe 10 hours total with it at Galveston and never deeper than a few inches. Surf has been a bit high when I was there and I am a tad old to be drowning and feel foolish wearing a life jacket or collar!
Charles (Upstate NY)
Well-known member
Pinpointing a target should not be that difficult.
Would you take your headphones off trying to pinpoint or duck tape over the screen? Of course not, so why not use the useful technique of lifting your coil? When I purchased my first Explorer I was horrible at pinpointing. I carved and gouged and mutilated many an old coin. Someone eventually gave me that tip, lift your coil.
Lift your coil to increase the depth between the coil and the target, pretty quickly the depth will be such that you can only detect the target in the center of the coil. Lifting the coil is also VERY useful in determining the true size and depth of a target. True deep coins will quickly vanish and not be detectable. A shallow small/tiny target that's trying to head fake you as a deeper will still be detectable even with our coil lifted several inches. BIG deep trash or iron again lift your coil. If you can still detect it with your coil lifted 8-10 inches off the ground well there you go, its BIG and deep its not a coin for sure.
Sneak up on the target and bushwhack it! One technique I use for difficult to pinpoint targets is to figure out where the target isn't. I'll pinpoint as best I can, pick a spot where I think the target is, then back away and sneak up on that spot with the front of my coil. No signal, move a bit closer, no signal move foward, until I get a signal. Then circle that spot approaching again with the front of my coil, sneaking up on the target, nibbling away at the area where the target isn't giving a signal. One lap around the target sneaking up on it and I have figured out where the target isn't and where the target is. I'll also know about any other targets, trash, or nails nearby that may be pulling my pinpoint off center.
To me the hard part is locating a potentially good target, I take the time to pinpoint well so that I don't destroy it with my digger. On the beach, wading in the ocean, super important. You know what will get you huffing and puffing and exhausted, chasing a target around in the surf lol.
Back in the early days of the original Explorer XS when so many of us really sucked at pinpointing, there was this one guy in MO I think. Hilariously funny guy. He dug some key date silver quarter and just destroyed it with his digger, he javelin tossed his Explorer across the park lmao!
Would you take your headphones off trying to pinpoint or duck tape over the screen? Of course not, so why not use the useful technique of lifting your coil? When I purchased my first Explorer I was horrible at pinpointing. I carved and gouged and mutilated many an old coin. Someone eventually gave me that tip, lift your coil.
Lift your coil to increase the depth between the coil and the target, pretty quickly the depth will be such that you can only detect the target in the center of the coil. Lifting the coil is also VERY useful in determining the true size and depth of a target. True deep coins will quickly vanish and not be detectable. A shallow small/tiny target that's trying to head fake you as a deeper will still be detectable even with our coil lifted several inches. BIG deep trash or iron again lift your coil. If you can still detect it with your coil lifted 8-10 inches off the ground well there you go, its BIG and deep its not a coin for sure.
Sneak up on the target and bushwhack it! One technique I use for difficult to pinpoint targets is to figure out where the target isn't. I'll pinpoint as best I can, pick a spot where I think the target is, then back away and sneak up on that spot with the front of my coil. No signal, move a bit closer, no signal move foward, until I get a signal. Then circle that spot approaching again with the front of my coil, sneaking up on the target, nibbling away at the area where the target isn't giving a signal. One lap around the target sneaking up on it and I have figured out where the target isn't and where the target is. I'll also know about any other targets, trash, or nails nearby that may be pulling my pinpoint off center.
To me the hard part is locating a potentially good target, I take the time to pinpoint well so that I don't destroy it with my digger. On the beach, wading in the ocean, super important. You know what will get you huffing and puffing and exhausted, chasing a target around in the surf lol.
Back in the early days of the original Explorer XS when so many of us really sucked at pinpointing, there was this one guy in MO I think. Hilariously funny guy. He dug some key date silver quarter and just destroyed it with his digger, he javelin tossed his Explorer across the park lmao!